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RidesTheWind
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Any ideas about these trails?
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We got chemmed again yesterday(what else is new?)but these trails were very different. Four planes flew in formation leaving four distinct trails side by side that plummed out into a freaking highway in the sky. This immediately set me to wondering if we are getting more of haarp now. Perhaps they need a wider path to lay down their evil? I found it also interesting that now Russia is complaing about haarp. Thank God! |
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White_Skyz
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re>We got chemmed again yesterday(what else is new)
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Yeah, we get it daily in the D/FW area. By sunset there's ALWAYS a very visible pattern in the sky. Yesterday we had a clear cross-hatch pattern across the sky.
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re>but these trails were very different. Four planes flew in formation leaving four distinct trails side by side that plummed out into a freaking highway in the sky.
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We get this often as well. In fact thats the usual pattern. Side by side trails across the entire sky. And here and there you can often see some cross-hatch. We get it NIGHTLY.
But they're getting better about hiding their planes. Rarely see 'em any more. Usually just see the patterns dropping down from way up there. And it seems like all the commercial air traffic have been ordered to fly below the chemmers. Huge jets and small craft alike are sharing air space WAY lower than usual. We have jets flying over the suburbs, way out from the airport, at what appears to be ony 2 or 3 thousand feet off the ground.
Why. So the Fkn A$$holes can poison us from above with their little frickin mil toys!!!
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>This immediately set me to wondering if we are getting more of haarp now. found it also interesting that now Russia is complaing about haarp.
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This must be the article you're referring to: http://www.rense.com/general28/deathray.htm
Indeed, a very interesting up date on HAARP.
The military/industrial fascists are out of control!!!! >8( |
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RidesTheWind
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Sun Aug 11, 2002 7:25 pm
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I have to wonder if the floods and tornado there right now killing over 78 people is just an act of Ma nature or perhaps just a timely way of telling them to button it up? |
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PacerLJ35
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"Yeah, we get it daily in the D/FW area."
The Dallas/Ft. Worth area happens to be directly under a very busy air corridor.
"Four planes flew in formation leaving four distinct trails side by side that plummed out into a freaking highway in the sky"
Not uncommon along some of the busier routes. Often jets are "stacked" in 1,000 to 2,000 foot intervals along the same route. If lateral seperation can't be assured, then the air traffic controllers will vector the traffic to parallel each other along a route.
"And it seems like all the commercial air traffic have been ordered to fly below the chemmers."
That's not true. I've flown over the DFW area several times in the past few weeks, and each time we were well over 30,000 feet, and the traffic up there was normal, with lots of airliners from the various airlines.
"Huge jets and small craft alike are sharing air space WAY lower than usual"
What you are observing is the airspace structure. There are airplanes of all sizes flying at nearly every altitude, all the time. The high altitude aircraft (above 30,000) are enroute to destinations seperated by some distance. Aircraft flying in the 20,000 range are either flying between destinations that are closer together, or are being "stepped down" during an enroute descent to their destination. Aircraft begin their descent roughly 3 times their altitude, so a jet cruising at 35,000 feet would start its descent around 120 miles out or so.
Aircraft flying below 18000 feet are either VFR (visual flight rules, and not being controlled by air traffic controllers) or IFR terminal traffic. Terminal traffic is the traffic being vectored to final approach for landing. So airplanes, big and small, inhabit nearly every altitude from the ground to about 45,000 feet. At 45,000 feet, most airliners and business jets can't operate much higher than that.
"We have jets flying over the suburbs, way out from the airport, at what appears to be ony 2 or 3 thousand feet off the ground."
I'm pretty familiar with the DFW area. I fly there alot. I've flown into DFW itself, as well as NAS Ft. Worth and Dallas/Love field. Often landing traffic is "sequenced", and the busier the traffic, the longer the lines to land. Sometimes these traffic sequences extend well away from the airport.
On one occassion, heading to DFW, I distinctly remember flying very low over my uncle's neighborhood in DeSoto, while being vectored for final at DFW.
Flying into Love Field two weeks ago, we were flying about 3000 feet over the towns of Plano and Carrolton, and flew over the northern portion of Lake Hubbard. To be honest with you, as pilots, we get a bit upset at a controller if they don't descend us to within 2-3,000 feet of the ground by 20 miles out. Any closer than that and we're flying like a dive bomber to make the runway, with the power in idle and the spoilers extended. The passengers don't really like that because it's pretty "exciting".
"...with their little frickin mil toys!!!"
The perception out there is that we, as military pilots, get to "play" with the equipment that the taxpayers buy. "Play" is certainly not the word I'd use to describe my job. It's hard work, and you really have to be careful not to break the airplane or break some regulation, whether it be an FAA reg or some command regulation. We've got regulations that cover everything from how low we can fly, how fast we can go, to even minimum lengths and widths of runways and taxiways. There's even a reg out there that says we can't place charts and maps on the glareshield (airplane equivelant of a car's dashboard)!
It's very structured, and very managed. Straying from the norm is a recipe to either bust up the airplane and get hurt or killed, or get violated by the FAA (breaking one of their regs will result in your license being revoked), or getting into trouble with the chain-of-command, which could result in Article 15 hearings and Letters of Reprimand, along with losing your wings.
"The military/industrial fascists are out of control!!!!"
Fascists indeed! Typical anti-military rhetoric. Your propaganda has us teaching our kids to goose-step through the house! Silly, if it weren't so insulting.
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White_Skyz
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Tue Aug 13, 2002 8:32 pm
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Dear Pacer,
With all due respect to your aviation and flight experience, bottom line is this: There has been a very obvious and noteable increase in larger aircraft flying much lower and more often than they had been less than a year ago. Simply fact. I live here, I've watched the increase in much lower flying aircraft as it has happened. This said, the only persons who could authorize such a change in pattern would be the FAA, and flight control towers. Whether the cause for this change in policy of flight patterns has to do with new FAA regs, national security, or avioding Mil Ops at higher levels (or other), is not yet clear. However, the fact remains, "there has been very obvious and noteable increase in larger aircraft flying much lower and more often in the D/FW area".
In regards to your Mil services, I very much respect anyone who "truly" wishes to defend their own land and their own people. But please bear this in mind. Just because one serves in the military does not necessarily imply they are there to defend their peoples and country. Although Offficers and enlisted personnel are required to follow orders without querstions, they must remember that they have sworn to much higher oath, and that is to defend against all enemies, foriegn AND DOMESTIC. They are sworn to uphold the U.S. Constitution.
So let me say this, since you are so actively involved in this forum. Those mil personnel, who are actively hiding and partaking in mil actions which might directly and gravely threaten the population of their own citizens are in fact guilty of no less than treason. If sir, you are actively hiding mil ops that threathen your fellows citizens well being, you may be serving your military, but you are NOT serving your people or defending your country. You are partaking in its destruction.
I understand the complexity of avaiation systems, the need for stringent guidelines, procedures, etc, etc. That's all fine and well and I applaud such rigerous checks and balances. As I do applaud those who serve to defend their citizens and country. However, EVEN if required to follow direct orders, you particpate in the active and intentional dumping of metals, chemicals, and other toxic elements opun your fellow citizens you are complicit in treasonous acts. AND if you serve as a dis-information agent to hide the truth from your people, you are not serving them, you are serving someone else. Who might that be?
re>Fascists indeed! Typical anti-military rhetoric.
>Your propaganda has us teaching our kids to goose-step through the house! >Silly, if it weren't so insulting.
FYI - I am a military vet. I served to DEFEND my country and fellow citizens. And I am here at this forum to continue to do so. It seems your motives are just the opposite. Why do you spend so much time on this forum trying to assure everyone that all is OK, when there are obvious signs everywhere that we are being attacked from the inside. Our skys were drenched with trails when I went to lunch today. Obvious as can be, way below 30, 000, feet. This is the work not of people who wish to defend themselves, but those who wish to offend others. Your fellow citizens are NOT military lab rats. The people reponsible for this are not defending thier country. They are facist war mongers who dont give a damn about the people below. SO now I ask you, being in the military and all, which side are you on? Are you complicit in these efforts, or are you serving to defend your country? Are you not only hiding the truth from citizens, but also serving as a disinfo agent. OR are you truly that gullible as to deny what is right before our eyes? I see no other options for your presense here. Who do you think you are defending? Please, tell us all. We want to know. |
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Tue Aug 13, 2002 10:17 pm
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Well put White_Skyz.
What say ye Pacer, doth thee have in thine debunking artillery some ponderous rebuttal to the charges set afore ye?
The true patriots of this country await your "America, Love It Or Leave It" response.
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"There has been a very obvious and noteable increase in larger aircraft flying much lower and more often than they had been less than a year ago"
Several things to consider. First, when did you become attuned to the chemtrail theory? Did the chemtrail theory cause you to suddenly become more interested in what's over your head?
Second, depending on traffic levels and changes in letters of agreement, traffic routings can change. Departing Andrews AFB used to be fairly simple, and we'd takeoff, make a turn away from the Capitol, and climb towards the HAFNR intersection. Since 9/11 and the concerns to keep aircraft further away from major metro areas, we're now being given much more complicated departures, and we're being kept low alot longer.
It could be very conceivable that the Dallas/Ft Worth area traffic has rerouted traffic to keep it away from the skylines, or the area airports (Meacham, Love, DFW, NAS Ft Worth, etc) reworked their letters of agreement on where who's traffic would go for sequencing into and out of the respective airports. I've seen examples of both scenarios changing the "normal" routing in and out of various airports around the country.
"This said, the only persons who could authorize such a change in pattern would be the FAA, and flight control towers"
The FAA does review and authorize general federal airways, such as the low-altitude routes (called Victor airways) and the jet routes, as well as Standard Terminal Arrival Routes (called STARs) and Standard Instrument Departures (called SIDs).
Just a technicality, control towers only control the airspace in the immediate vicinity of an airport. For Class B airfields (such as DFW), that airspace extends up to 7,000 feet and out to 10-20 miles, depending on the airport. For Class C airports, the tower controls airspace out to 10 miles and up to 4,000 feet. For Class D airports, it controls airspace out to 5 miles and up to 2,500 feet.
Outside that airspace, up to about 10,000 to 18,000 feet, exists the departure/approach control. Some areas only have one controller for the whole section. Others, like DFW, divide the airspace up into "sectors". These controllers guide, or vector, the aircraft to the final approach for the respective destination airfields.
Above the departure/approach controller is the center controller, who manages all enroute traffic. There are several centers throughout the United States (Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Washington, Indianapolis, Kansas City, Houston, Atlanta, Jacksonville, Ft. Worth, Albuquerque, Los Angeles, Denver, Minneapolis, Seattle, Chicago, Cleveland, Memphis, Miami and Salt Lake). Each of these are responsible for a certain portion of the country, and are further broken down into sectors within each center.
"Just because one serves in the military does not necessarily imply they are there to defend their peoples and country"
Well, I'm certainly not doing this for the money, nor am I doing it for power. It's easier to gain both in the civilian sector.
"Although Offficers and enlisted personnel are required to follow orders without querstions, they must remember that they have sworn to much higher oath, and that is to defend against all enemies, foriegn AND DOMESTIC. They are sworn to uphold the U.S. Constitution."
You are correct in that we do swear to an oath to defend the Constitution. I think that the vast majority of us in uniform are well aware of that, and hold that near and dear to our hearts.
However, we are not required to follow all orders without question. Certain orders are obvious...such as come to work on time, don't speed on base, wear your seatbelt, etc. But to spray your fellow citizens is not an order many would blindly obey...it would be questioned.
"If sir, you are actively hiding mil ops that threathen your fellows citizens well being, you may be serving your military, but you are NOT serving your people or defending your country."
I am in no way hiding harmful military operations. I would not hide an obviously harmful operation such as a spray program. I do, however, find numerous holes in the chemtrail theory, and I have not witnessed anything in all my experience of flying for the military that would cause me to conclude that a massive spray program was indeed in operation.
"However, EVEN if required to follow direct orders, you particpate in the active and intentional dumping of metals, chemicals, and other toxic elements opun your fellow citizens you are complicit in treasonous acts. AND if you serve as a dis-information agent to hide the truth from your people, you are not serving them, you are serving someone else. Who might that be?"
Again, there have been no orders to dump anything on the populace below. And I am not a "dis-information agent". What I post on this board is of my own opinion and observations, just as your posts are of your own as well. It wouldn't make sense for me to say that you are here on your employer's dime trying to parrot chemtrails, so don't do the same thing to me. I simply disagree with the chemtrail theory. Labeling those who disagree as "one of them" or part of the plot only reinforces the stereotype that you are simply paranoid, thus discrediting your arguement.
"I served to DEFEND my country and fellow citizens"
I'm sure you did.
"And I am here at this forum to continue to do so."
If you really want to defend people, then be fair to the "other side" and do some real research instead of reading cut-and-paste internet articles and poor-quality photos of contrails. Go visit an air traffic control facility...they can give tours. Go talk to pilots on pilot forums such as the one at flightinfo.com. Go visit and arrange a tour of an Air Force facility...talk to the pilots, learn how things REALLY operate instead of taking the word of some guy over the internet, who probably never put a uniform on in his entire life.
"It seems your motives are just the opposite"
Just because I disagree with the chemtrail theory means my motives are shady? Sheesh, so much for differing opinions. My motives, in regards to my military service, is to serve my country and the Constitution. Spraying the people below certainly isn't fullfilling that goal.
It's easy for you to grasp at my "motives" for being here...is it so hard to understand that perhaps I disagree, and can find a few minutes here and there to post replies?
"Our skys were drenched with trails when I went to lunch today. Obvious as can be, way below 30, 000, feet."
How did you know they were "way below 30,000 feet"? Just guessing, or did you have a tried-and-true method of determining contrail altitude? Why is it that in 6 years of flying all over the country, I've NEVER seen a contrail "way below 30,000 feet"? Or is it just coincidence that I happen to miss all the action all those years?
"This is the work not of people who wish to defend themselves, but those who wish to offend others. Your fellow citizens are NOT military lab rats."
Keep one thing in mind. The pilots cannot take their families into the airplanes. They do not live underground. They do not live in shielded homes. They live in the very same communities as you do. I live in a subdivision in the town of Millbrook Alabama. Most of my neighbors are civilians. If I view them as "lab rats", then my very own house would be right smack in the middle of the rat cage. The same thing for every other military pilot, regardless of whether they are married or own a house. They all have mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, cousins, etc. They'd be spraying them too. Think about it. We aren't some band of roving mercenaries with no ties to the community. You, being a vet, should know better.
"The people reponsible for this are not defending thier country. They are facist war mongers who dont give a damn about the people below."
Again, the "people below" would include their friends and families. Unless you are suggesting that we don't mind killing our own families, you're wrong.
"SO now I ask you, being in the military and all, which side are you on? Are you complicit in these efforts, or are you serving to defend your country? Are you not only hiding the truth from citizens, but also serving as a disinfo agent. OR are you truly that gullible as to deny what is right before our eyes"
Here's my take: I fly among contrails all the time. I see the traffic up there at close range. I can see who's going where by using TCAS (a much more accurate, real-time on-board version of Flight Explorer, really). I can hear all the radio conversations on the frequency. Most importantly, I can see who's leaving the big fluffy contrails that last and turn into cirrus clouds, and I know exactly what altitude they form at because I fly right through them or right by them all the time.
I've never seen a contrail below the upper 20,000 foot range. I've never heard controllers routing people away from military exercises. I've never seen "formations" of jets spraying chemicals. Most of the long-lasting contrails that you would term "chemtrails" were left by commercial and private civilian aircraft. They form Xs and all sorts of patterns, but they were left by benign airplanes. I've never seen an aircraft pass me up, then turn around as many chemtrail believers have "witnessed"...and by the way, all the Boeing products can easily pass up a Learjet...they fly around mach .85 and we fly around .75.
Bottom line...I have seen things exactly like the photos on Chemtrail Central and dozens of other chemtrail sites. And it looks EXACTLY like the daily traffic I see all across the country. No spooky formations of military tankers. No air traffic controllers ordering us lower for a military exercise. And none of the literally hundreds of pilots I know personally have gotten sick from this "chemspray", despite having flown through it many many times. My Learjet does not have a HEPA filter like the airliners. We get ambient air directly from the atmosphere via the bleed air valves on the engines. And I've never gotten sick, never had a rash, never had "flu-like" symptoms except when I've had the flu, and never experienced any respiratory problems. And none of my friends have either. And here it is folks....in six years of flying, I've NEVER seen anything remotely suspicious.
"The true patriots of this country await your "America, Love It Or Leave It" response."
Phantom, I've never espoused the position of "love it or leave it". Our government has problems. It certainly doesn't have a clean past. I'm not going to blindly turn the other way. If chemtrails were real, I'd be on your side. That being so, I still haven't seen any REAL evidence of a "spray" program.
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penumbra
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Wed Aug 14, 2002 2:49 pm
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quote:
If you really want to defend people, then be fair to the "other side" and do some real research instead of reading cut-and-paste internet articles and poor-quality photos of contrails. Go visit an air traffic control facility...they can give tours. Go talk to pilots on pilot forums such as the one at flightinfo.com. Go visit and arrange a tour of an Air Force facility...talk to the pilots, learn how things REALLY operate instead of taking the word of some guy over the internet, who probably never put a uniform on in his entire life.
Really, How insulting. How the hell would you know what we have or have not researched? Also, you debunkers constantly suggesting that the rest of us are somehow anti-military or anti-government is sickening. I'm sure you know what you can do with your insults pacer.  |
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Unhappy Trails
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Thu Aug 15, 2002 12:54 am
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I did talk to the FAA a couple of months ago Pacer, and they did confim that a special division of the airforce was in town flying a special top secret mission. We don't need to argue over this again.
When the woman at the FAA told me she couldn't discuss it, I asked her if she had kids. She replied yes. I then asked her if she was worried about this special mission. She replied oh no no no, I know what they're doing and there's nothing to worry about.
Everyone who knows of this 'Special Mission' has been told that nothing harmful is being sprayed. An experiment per se' from the temperature flux after the 9/11 grounding. Or perhaps you've been told that it stays in the troposphere and does not fall to earth as the Puget Sound Clean Air Agency told me last May. Perhaps you've been told that the content is no more harmful than a volcanoes eruption spewing these metals into the atmosphere and dissapating over a vast area. Whichever...you've been told it is not harmful. You've been told this experiment is for the good of all mankind, to improve national defense. You proudly wear that uniform and follow orders thinking you're doing the country a great service. You're making a difference. People will thank you in the end. Those ideals are commendable as we all wish to make the world a better place to live.
But what if you're being lied to also Pacer. I know you have family and I've heard a new baby is on the way. I know as a parent there is nothing you would do to intentionally harm that child. But what 'IF' you are being lied to also? What if the chemical composition of the jet fuel you're using is not what you've been told? What if you're being played for a fool and later regret it? One day you just may wish you had listened to the people.
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PacerLJ35
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Thu Aug 15, 2002 2:26 pm
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Unhappy:
There may very well have been a special operations mission going on, but keep in mind that there actually is a "special division" of the Air Force called AFSOC, or Air Force Special Operations Command. They fly a fleet of modified C-130 cargo planes and MH-53 helicopters.
Then there's also the SOLL-II program, which involves some airplanes at McChord. SOLL stands for Special Operations Low-Level, and it's basically a program that allows C-141 and C-17 crews to fly very low and airdrop special operations troops.
Then there are a myriad of other aircraft that perform special missions that may require ATC assistance, such as the RC-135 or the E-3.
In any case, there is no proof either way that the "special division" was spraying chemicals. That's purely speculation on your part. It could be dozens of other missions they were performing.
And if the chemical composition of the fuel isn't what normal jet fuel, then everyone's out there spraying it up, including the civilian pilots. Look, if you want to know what's in the jet fuel, then go buy some Jet A-1...it's the same thing as JP-8.
I also posted a while back how fruitless it would be to place chemicals into jet fuel, because a jet engine is just like a mini-incinerator...whatever is in the fuel won't come out on the other side...it will be broken down into different molecules. The guidelines for an EPA incinerator read just like a jet engine...the material must be atomized, which the fuel is in a jet engine. Its temperature must be around 800 degrees C, which it is in a jet engine...I mean, no one with a background in chemistry would think that sending chemicals through an engine would be a great idea.
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"I get all the proof I need by stepping outside and looking up"
What a great way to conduct an investigation! Maybe the courts can do it that way...I can hear it now, the jury saying "we didn't have to listen to any of the real evidence, I mean, we got all the proof we needed by just looking at the guy...I mean he LOOKS like someone who could do that...so obviously he was guilty".
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Thu Aug 15, 2002 2:42 pm
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pacer, what kind of cloud is this? Is this an airplane contrail? |
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Swamp Gas
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Pacer,
I work for a very well known Chip manufacturer doing Audio, Video, and 3D animating. I also trouble shoot the same systems I work on. I.E., I would suppose an expert in field dominance, CoDecs, white balance, and 24 bit audio. However, I have no idea what the higher ranking officials are cooking up, whether it be the accounting or corporate buyouts. Like Unhappy said, possibly you should be neutral when it comes to the U.S. government, who have a rich history of poisoning, shooting, and lying to it's own citizens. Do you really think they could care a rat's ass about your family? Cheney and others are underground a lot of the time, and what about the possiblity the elite's families are being given antidotes such as Malic Acid and Sodium Sulphate.
As far as the fascist statements of White Skyz, just look at where the Bush family got it's fortune, trading with Nazis. Operation Paperclip, http://www.mt.net/~watcher/nwonazi.html
brought the 3rd Reich's brightest and slimiest in the USA, put them in positions of power, and this virus grew, first with the Communist/Jewish Witch Hunts of the 40's and 50's. Headed by Nazi sympathizer Joe McCarthy.
I would love to say that this country is good and wholesome, free from government intrusion, and the Bringer of Light. Unfortunatly, like the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus is a myth. |
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http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2002/07/01/tomo/index.html?x
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In the counsels of Government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the Military Industrial Complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together. President Eisenhower, 1961......
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PacerLJ35
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Thu Aug 15, 2002 9:34 pm
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Swamp Gas:
I'm not attempting to say the US Government is always nice and behaves itself. I am saying that I don't see any evidence of a chemtrail plot. Sure, the higher-ups could plan such a thing...but they'd need pilots, ground crew and mechanics to carry it out. And that is where I draw my line...those very people would have a hard time justifying why any of us (the pilots, et al) should engage in such an operation.
The nuclear/radiation tests, etc, where relatively localized. Flying a fleet of aircraft to spray the population in the scale being proposed on many chemtrail sites would require many aircraft, and thousands of personnel.
Anyhow, the whole precedent thing still isn't proof. Precedence may help you convict, but ultimately real evidence is what clinches it. For example...you can't simply try and convict a person for murder just because that person committed a violent crime in the past...there has to be direct and clear evidence suggesting that the person did in fact commit the murder they are on trial for.
I agree...there have been a number of things that the government has done in the past...and it shows when the Air Force started making anthrax vaccinations mandatory...many airmen refused, quit or got kicked out for not taking it. They didn't want to be part of an "experiment".
I'm very confident that if there was a "spray operation" going on, there would be a similar outcry from the thousands of airmen that would be required to crew, fix and service the aircraft. |
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Unhappy Trails
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So Pacer, I'm glad you've admitted the military doesn't always behave itself. You worry me sometimes.
Simple psycology would suggest 'what they don't know won't hurt them.' If our men in uniform baulked at the anthrax vaccine, how would civilians react if they knew they were being saturated with fallout from this experiment? The outcry would be far reaching. It is in the 'best interest' of the people that no one finds out. I believe it's within the means of our government to secretly carry out a mission of this magnitude. The possibility exists that you're not being told the truth. They can't have you reacting as you did before with the anthrax vaccine.
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