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Khephra Sol
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Sometimes you can see how polluted older jet liners were on DVD reissues of early seventies movies like The vampire Happening. These old jet enjines produced a black smoke trail made up of incompletely burned fuel. Most engine emissions today are greatly reduced and could be fiurther reduced by using strong magnets on fuel lines. Most of the vapor that makes up a contrail is water vapor which will behave differently from day to day depending on the local meteorological conditions and local DOR contamination. The brown cloud that used to linger over Denver is now gone because of improved emissions standards. In my opinion, it would be wise for every city to maintain a number of draw buckets that would reduce DOR contamination and allow natural weather patterns to penetrate into the city and clear up much of the white haze that makes city life so completely irritating. |
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theseeker
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Mon Sep 09, 2002 3:50 am
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deborah, seems to me you asked a question, to minnis,not canex, that would be an opinion if answered...and the other one I don't know how he would know how many dirty craft there are...
rest assured most all the military engines are inefficient, regarding today's standard...
and I might know more about you than you think...being an agent and all that 
why don't you mail dr. minnis...
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Deborah
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Mon Sep 09, 2002 4:49 am
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Well, Greg, there is no doubt whatever in my mind that Ms. Phelan has been very forthcoming with you in regard to what she likes to think she knows about me and my process.
Personally, I think this cat-and-mouse stuff is just so much ridiculous bullsh-t. I use my own name and think for myself and that is the way it's been from Day One.
Speaking of opinions, do you happen to have one as pertains to the possibility that a percentage of aircraft might be running dirty, as in burning high-sulfur, surface-cooling fuel?
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Deborah
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Mon Sep 09, 2002 6:48 am
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On my second beer here..... |
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Mech
Joined: 06 Jun 2001
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Location: THE 4th REICH USA |
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Mon Sep 09, 2002 7:27 am
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Well, I'm an aircraft Mechanic and I'll be the first to tell you that by and large, turbine engines(especially the larger ones) produce a lot of nasty dirty emissions, but not nearly on the level they used to (turbojets). Local environmental and noise abatement regs are taking care of that.
I'm no chemtrail expert and I have no experience viewing them.(I think) But yes, high altitude aircraft may disrupt or cause weather chnges. How severe? I have no idea. The lack of rain around the country is a concern but I don't believe this is related to aircraft emissions. I'd say the greatest risks turbine aircraft pose are for those living near airports (pollution) and people like me who work there.
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theseeker
Joined: 25 Jul 2000
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Mon Sep 09, 2002 7:42 am
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nawg...deb never said much, cept you don't drive...but in your city that's not odd...here it would be extremely unusual...we have convient stores with drive through windows......
Personally, I think this cat-and-mouse stuff is just so much ridiculous bullsh-t. I use my own name and think for myself and that is the way it's been from Day One.
me myself...I could post under many different names and anyone with a six month involvement in this issue could know it's was me posting...same goes with some other folk too...lol...
Speaking of opinions, do you happen to have one as pertains to the possibility that a percentage of aircraft might be running dirty, as in burning high-sulfur, surface-cooling fuel?
well, the older less profitable air lines would be a canidate for older engines that would have sulfur content it up a bit, and as I said certain older military craft, c-130 is a black smoker on takeoff bigtime...duncan would have a better grasp of this than I would...although I bet this info is available, and a pretty revealing internet study could be done...
I understand that Bush is committed to the same EPA goals as clinton in regards to making diesel fuel sulfur free or that has a dramatically lower sulfur content....I read this week that a study done on the inhalation of diesel exhaust had concluded that it rendered a cancer link...
I really think when the major airlines opted towards a HUB system and not as much direct flights...is when folks started seeing more contrails grids x's paralell lines etc....and with the dramatic increase in air traffic the last 3 or 4 years to and fro these days mainly due to fed-ex and UPS... contrails are pretty much a 4 to 5 day occurance anymore...and whether this is a potentially bad thing for the environment, other than just obscuring the sky when it should be clear and blue...is up to good people like Dr. Minnis to figure out and inform us of......
I don't think you and I differ very much on environmental issues...maybe just how we go about fixing them...
oh...and thank you !
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