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SALFORD66
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Ellyn,
1.45pm they just started again. I have been watching wispies come floating in but now to have direct heavy spraying above us. How is it in Ventura? |
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Foolsbane
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Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:52 pm
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with over 5000 planes in the air on any given day in the US...isn't it logical that some of their flight paths might cross...
...and if they are leaving persistent contrails...wouldn't it look like a "grid"??
Seriously. Look at the image below- air traffic across the country basically is a grid- and if they are flying thru ice supersaturated air...what will be the result?
http://www.crashposition.com/blog/images/time/AirTraffic_vs_Time.jpg
How am I "wrong on this"
Contrails that persist and spread out into sheets of cirrus clouds are a scientific reality and have been observed and studied for over 40 years...
Do you deny that?
Did you do the research?
Here is a start- should you care to look- It is describing EXACTLY what Ellyn took photos of yesterday...and yet was written in 1970:
http://contrailscience.com/persisting-and-spreading-contrails/
or this more recent treatment:
http://tinyurl.com/4qyaww
Do you even look at this material?? or wave it away like Ellyn with cries of "shill" and "disinfo" |
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SALFORD66
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Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:09 pm
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How do you know that what you are researching is 'the truth'? I heard Bush modified all the temperature records from 100 years ago so that the comparisons would show that we are definitely 'warming up' which is untrue.
In 40 years when people look at pictures of the polar bears and glaciers melting are they going to question that Global Warming is a scam or will they believe what they are reading.
I am not denying your evidence and I wish more than anything that what I am seeing is a pure contrail, it would make my life easier but they have admitted to 'Geo Engineering', they are haphazardly flying over me right now sharp right angles, wiggly lines.......as I said they are not on ANY flightpath Cabo, anywhere....... |
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Foolsbane
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Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:30 pm
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how do you know they are not on any flight path?
did you check with flight aware?
Is the atmosphere currently not conducive to persistent contrails?
Do you even know what atmospheric conditions ARE conducive to persistent contrails??
...as for geo-engineering and bush etc....that is jumping from the science of the atmosphere to pure speculation...comments like this:
" I heard Bush modified all the temperature records from 100 years ago so that the comparisons would show that we are definitely 'warming up' which is untrue."
That is pure speculation...how is it even plausible- does he have access to the Russians records? the Chinese ? etc... don't believe everything you "hear" be more diligent than that.
Who are "they" and what have they admitted too exactly? Cloud seeding has been around for a long time and is not clandestine- it is commericial....writing papers about the desire and ramifications of other weather mod scenarios does not suffice as proof of "chemtrails" - do not let the emotion run away from and rule the logic...
The "truth" as put forth over 40 years by 100s of scientists from around the world is based on the scientific method- observable, testable, repeatable science built upon the work of others- work and math presented for all to see and critiqued by peers and laymen alike- do not take my word for it...do the research...and the math yourself...
I am not saying to not be skeptical...but I will take peer-reviewed science any day over shrill cries of "the sky is falling" on websites that are populated with people who do not understand what they see...and yet do not take the time to learn everything there is to know about the atmosphere and the contrails therein before they start claiming they DO know what they see in the sky-
that is not directed at you - and not meant to be in insult...it is just an unfortunate reality of the most of the "chemtrail" websites...
Every observable behavior of a supposed "chemtrail" has been known to be an observable behavior of a contrail...and that simple fact makes pointing to the sky and claiming they are "spraying" extremely dubious.... |
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SALFORD66
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Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:43 pm
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Yes, I am familiar with the types of weather conditions that contribute to a perisitent contrail. Am I an authority on chemtrails, weather patterns? No.
I do know that what scientists say is not always true e.g. Global Warming...they are paid for reports in order to get funding for their pet projects. There are 650 scientists who contribute to the Global Warming reports......there are thousands who do not and there findings are not recognised by the government.
Anything can be manipulated. |
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Foolsbane
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Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:02 pm
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But the US government is not the sole arbiter of scientific fact...
Moreover- the "science" of global warming is based on modeling of future events - and thus is not definitive in any way and subject to the vagaries of any particular model.
The science of contrails- is observable, repeatable, subject to immediate testing of hypothesis and ultimately provable as fact- beyond a reasonable doubt and immediately verifiable...the science moves beyond the model into reality...
If you have evidence that the science of contrails is somehow false and manipulated by the government....then I suggest you present it.
The fact remains that contrails that behave EXACTLY like "chemtrails" supposedly do- and have been observed doing so since aircraft have flown high enough....
Thus, the "evidence" of "chemtrails" does not lend itself to a credible conclusion- regardless of any flight path...
No samples take in situ that have found anything other than what one would expect in aircraft exhaust (sticking a petrie dish on the hood of a car does not count as a sample of a contrail).
No evidence of the infrastructure necessary for a global, clandestine campaign....
The single biggest piece of "evidence" is simply people on the internet say it is so...and posting pictures of what look exactly like persistent contrails....
If you truly want the truth- then you need to know everything you can about what is or isn't possible in the sky above you...its a simple as that-
Know thy enemy as the saying goes... |
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Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:44 pm
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quote:
There is over 40 years of scientific research that says you are wrong-
Read all of the scientific literature- google those terms I provided...and then tell me it is not possible.
until then...you are just guessing based on fear and ignorance...no offense of course...
... and yet the Meteorological Community in 7 yrs has yet to produce a meteorologist that can out forecast me using chemtrails...
care to comment?
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Foolsbane
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Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:02 pm
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Your self serving visions of grandeur have nothing to do with the science of persistent contrails...
We have no other word but your own for you supposed ostracism from meteorology... |
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weatherman714
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Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:54 am
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Thanks! I like that comment! Espically seeing that the lastest NASA model and study shows that you are on the wrong side of science! 
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