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Swamp Gas
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James,
I apologize for the rude comments by my fellow forum members on your religious beliefs. Personally, All the religions are correct. Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, Zoraster, Mohhammed, Einstein, Leary, Lennon, Pagans, Jews, Moses, and on and on, all had something good to say.
I feel Jesus was really a Pagan who was slaughtered by the Fascists of the time, The Romans, for talking a form of socialism. Even the Bible talks of false prophets and people using god's name. i.e., Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Ashcroft. They are all BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS. Not Essenes, but false. Using the name of religion to get the bulk of people who are Christians to vote for them. They are the furthest thing from the true Jesus as you can get.
Taking the Christain belief line, we are swaying so far away from the original idea of the Lion and The Lamb lying down together, that, to use a Hindu term, this is our Karma, Chemtrails.
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BigJoe
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Thu Dec 19, 2002 1:20 am
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Dear James,
I too apologize for the rude comments made by one of our fellow members concerning your religious beliefs. After I read it I was shocked and disheartened and almost cancelled my membership to this website. I just couldn't believe what I was reading from one of "us". However, after reading some of the reactions, reflections and comments to this letter since then, I realize that there are a lot of really good, intelligent people here who share many of the same feelings and beliefs as I do, and I therefore intend to stay on here, as I think we can all do a lot of good here together. We have all here for one purpose, and that is waking the world up to the evil that is being done to it by the creators of the chemtrails, and we are not here for insulting each other. That's divisive and exactly what these evil people want to see us do. From what you said in your posting, I think that if more people felt as you do, the world would be a much better place and we wouldn't all be here on this website having to deal with this awful chemtrail problem. And although I've only been a member here just about as long as you, I feel I can honestly say, welcome to the forum!!! |
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everetteyes
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Fri Dec 20, 2002 4:02 am
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Could you please explain in better detail how your god effects chemtrails? |
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halva
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Sun Dec 22, 2002 5:30 pm
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I'm posting from Greece, where chemtrails are starting to become a visible reality over Athens and I am trying to get the ecological movement to pay attention. Any religious references on this site play into the hands of European ecolologists/socialists etc. who are and will be very eager to classify as far-right, religious nut American conspiracy theorists anyone who isn't careful not to push himself into that slot. I'm not trying to play at being censor, just explaining my needs.
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everetteyes
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Sun Dec 22, 2002 11:18 pm
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AMEN HALVA ! |
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Mech
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Mon Dec 23, 2002 1:13 am
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Whatever...
I am neither "right" nor "left", own guns, consider myself environmentally conscious, don't go to a church or subscibe to a particular book or doctrine, VERY spiritual, and guess what? Mainstream Large Christian organizations are backing the NWO plans thinking that this whole "terror" thing is "Christans vs. Muslims".."The New Crusades" Blahh, blah, blah.
It's the small churches that have the wisest groups of religious people who know this "terror ploy" is just an affront for one world government.They have my support.
I disagree with your sentiments. People who have spiritual lives..and beliefs will have the most will to fight and expose these slavemasters. WHO CARES what the European socialists say. We will expose them too.
The environmental/ecological movement by and large are aware of the NWO plans...they need to be wise enough to see through political party affiliation and religiuos preference.The globalists ARE taking advantage of the environmental movement to give an "ecological" reason for world government.Sounds to me that the "ecology movement" are the ones that are..."playing right into the hands" of the globalists.
You do make a valid point...but I think you are alienating people within the religious community,including me. Nobody here ever said you had to believe in a certain book, or god. They were just commenting on the role that spirituality plays in their lives.
If the "Ecological movement" members are too ignorant to figure out for themselves that people THEY are calling "right-wing" or "nuts" make up a large portion of anti-globalists and chemtrail activists. As far as I m concerned, their divisionist sentiments make them NO BETTER THAN THE GLOBALISTS... and...let them have their own bickering group of so-called dissenters.
Divide...divide...divide...
Let the powerful few keep us all down by labeling us and seperating us into cleverly defined seperated groups.
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emfx13
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Mon Dec 23, 2002 1:13 am
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I take it you don't belive in a higher power/god?,well that's ok you have the right to belive in what you want,as do other's.But you do not have the right to bash other's for their belief's(unless your a hate monger).I'm not picking on you,i would like to keep the religion out of scientific discussion aswell,as i feel the two have nothing to do with each other.I find if a topic get's to "KOOKY"i stay out of it! BE NICE EVERETTEYES!!!LOL!! |
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Mech
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Mon Dec 23, 2002 1:56 am
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Halva,
I would sincerely be interested in hearing what you have to say what effects the European Union will have on Greek sovereignty in the "Freeform" section of this forum.
thanks,
Mech
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halva
Joined: 04 Apr 2003
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Mon Dec 23, 2002 4:35 am
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Mech wrote:
"I disagree with your sentiments. People who have spiritual lives..and beliefs will have the most will to fight and expose these slavemasters. WHO CARES what the European socialists say. We will expose them too."
W.H. I think I explained my situation. Aerosol spraying has started up here and I want to get my own reference group, i.e. the people whose actions I have some chance of influencing, to pay attention to what is said at this site. So the answer to WHO CARES is that I care, and exposing is not something that is useful for me. My objective is to get co-operation, not exposure or discredit.
Mech: "The environmental/ecological movement by and large are aware of the NWO plans..."
W.H. This is not necessarily true. Most ecologists I know have an aversion to what they regard as "conspiracy theories".
Mech: "they need to be wise enough to see through political party affiliation and religiuos preference.The globalists ARE taking advantage of the environmental movement to give an "ecological" reason for world government.Sounds to me that the "ecology movement" are the ones that are..."playing right into the hands" of the globalists."
W.H. Perhaps they do need to be wise, but often they are not.
Mech: "You do make a valid point...but I think you are alienating people within the religious community,including me. Nobody here ever said you had to believe in a certain book, or god. They were just commenting on the role that spirituality plays in their lives."
W.H. As I said, I am telling you what I need for the purposes of getting through to a specific audience.
Mech: "If the "Ecological movement" members are too ignorant to figure out for themselves that people THEY are calling "right-wing" or "nuts" make up a large portion of anti-globalists and chemtrail activists. As far as I m concerned, their divisionist sentiments make them NO BETTER THAN THE GLOBALISTS... and...let them have their own bickering group of so-called dissenters."
W.H. Perhaps they ARE no better than the globalists, or are globalists themselves. For me what counts is that they are the group I judge I have some chance of influencing.
Mech: "Divide...divide...divide... Let the powerful few keep us all down by labeling us and seperating us into cleverly defined seperated groups."
W.H. You do see that is how it works. Most people I know would not find their way to this site. The only reason I am here is through dallying with Eurosceptics. Through them I got to know Mike Ruppert (they were less impressed by him than I was) and then the wider milieu.
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halva
Joined: 04 Apr 2003
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Mon Dec 23, 2002 4:50 am
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Mech, on your second posting. I think it would do a lot for Greek sovereignty to have Greek citizens come out and demand an explanation from our government why these (American?) aircraft are spraying us with chemicals.
On the subject of the EU, I'll take a look at the section you refer me to. If you really want the details of my views on European integration, they are set out at http://www.spectrezine.org/europe/waynehall.htm
or http://pcsi.tripod.com/hddf/eucon.html |
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kcck
Joined: 24 Dec 2002
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Wed Jan 01, 2003 6:13 pm
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Just because you don't believe in Jesus doesn't mean you have the right to mock us. |
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halva
Joined: 04 Apr 2003
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Fri Jan 03, 2003 11:48 am
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This is a Chemtrails forum, and I have been addressing that subject.
Nothing I have said gives you any grounds for concluding anything at all about whether I "believe in Jesus".
As for whether I have the "right" to say whatever I have said, would you like to confirm whether or not the right to free speech is guaranteed by the United States Constitution? (And by the Greek Constitution, if you think the Greek government would be more suitable for judging my "rights".)
If you want to talk about religion then let me tell you that I have not been baptised, having been born into a Protestant sect which thinks one should be an adult before deciding for or against "Jesus". By the time I became an adult there were other things on my mind.
My son has been baptised into the Greek Orthodox church, as an infant, and I am very pleased to say that he, a good Christian
himself, would find your postings to me incomprehensible.
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