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(Desperately) Looking for Arctic warming PostSat May 08, 2010 9:19 pm  Reply with quote  

Imho, this is good scientific word and thinking. And it's not coming out of a ...filthy and miserable "denier"...
Small reference to a Greenpeace representative, indicates -once more- how ridiculous this 'organization' is...

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Global warming alarmists have chosen the wrong part of the climate cycle to head north.

(Desperately) Looking for Arctic warming

By Paul Driessen Monday, May 3, 2010
Paul Driessen and Willie Soon

First American Ann Bancroft and Norwegian Liv Arnesen trekked off across the Arctic in the dead of the 2007 winter, “to raise awareness about global warming,” by showcasing the wide expanses of open water they were certain they would encounter. Instead, icy blasts drove temperatures inside their tent to -58 F, while outside the nighttime air plunged to -103 F.

Open water is rare at those temperatures, the intrepid explorers discovered. Facing frostbite, amputated toes and even death, the two were airlifted out 18 miles into their 530-mile expedition.

Next winter it was British swimmer and ecologist Lewis Gordon Pugh, who planned to breast-stroke across open Arctic seas. Same story. Then fellow Brit Pen Hadow gave it a go, but it was another no-go.

This year Aussie Tom Smitheringale set off to demonstrate “the effect that global warming is having on the polar ice caps.” He was rescued and flown out, after coming “very close to the grave,” he confessed.

Hopefully, all these rescue helicopters were solar-powered. Even hardened climate disaster deniers wouldn’t want these brave (if misguided) adventurers to be relegated to choppers fueled by hated hydrocarbons. They may be guilty of believing their own alarmist press releases – and the likes of Al Gore, James Hansen, the IPCC and Michael Mann, father of broken hockey sticks and Mann-made global warming. But missing digits or ideological impurity is a high price to pay.

Nonetheless, it’s easy to envision them dreaming of stoking up the boiler from the wreck of the “Alice May” over yonder on Lake Lebarge and chattering in their sleep: “Since I left Plumtree down in Tennessee, it’s the first time I’ve been warm.”

“Global warming can mean colder. It can mean wetter. It can mean drier. That’s what we’re talking about,” Greenpeace activist Stephen Guilbeault
The explorers tried to put the best spin on their failures. “One of the things we see with global warming is unpredictability,” Bancroft-Arnesen expedition coordinator Anne Atwood said helpfully. “But please know global warming is real, and with it can come extreme unpredictable changes in temperature,” added Arnesen.

“Global warming can mean colder. It can mean wetter. It can mean drier. That’s what we’re talking about,” Greenpeace activist Stephen Guilbeault chimed in.

Who was it that defined insanity as hitting your thumb repeatedly with a hammer, expecting it won’t hurt the next time? And who’s paying for all these rescue operations?
Mostly the same taxpayers who are also paying for the junk science that insists the entire ice cap will melt away by 2014.

Actually, the Arctic ice has been rebounding since its latest low ebb around September 2007. And despite steadily rising atmospheric carbon dioxide levels – from 0.0285% or 285 ppm in 1870 to 0.0388% or 388 ppm today – average global temperatures have been stable or declining since 1995.

Even UK Climate Research Unit chief Phil Jones and other Climategate emailers acknowledge that now. “We can’t account for the lack of warming, and it’s a travesty that we can’t,” Kevin Trenberth moaned in one of the infamous Climategate emails.

Instead of sleds and snowshoes, the explorers should have rented Doc Brown’s “Back to the Future” time machine. They would have found plenty of the global warming and open waters they so desperately seek.

Vikings built homes, grew crops and raised cattle in Greenland in 950-1300, before they were frozen out by the Little Ice Age and encroaching pack ice and ice sheets.

Many warm periods followed, marked by open seas and minimal southward extent of Arctic sea ice, as noted in ships’ logs and discussed in scientific papers by Torgny Vinje and other experts. The warm periods of 1690-1710, 1750-1780 and 1918-1940, for instance, were often preceded and followed by colder temperatures, severe ice conditions and maximum southward ice packs, as during 1630-1660 and 1790-1830.

“Not only in the summer, but in the winter the ocean [in the Bering Sea region] was free of ice, sometimes with a wide strip of water up to at least 200 miles away from the shore,” Swedish explorer Oscar Nordkvist reported in 1822.

“We were astonished by the total absence of ice in Barrow Strait,” Francis McClintock, captain of the “Fox,” wrote in 1860. “I was here at this time in 1854 – still frozen up – and doubts were entertained as to the possibility of escape.”

In 1903, during the first year of his three-year crossing of the Northwest Passage, Roald Amundsen noted that his party “had made headway with ease,” because ice conditions had been “unusually favorable.”

The 1918-1940 warming also resulted in Atlantic cod increasing in population and expanding their range some 800 miles, to the Upernavik area of Greenland, fisheries biologist Ken Drinkwater has reported.

Global warming and climate change are certainly real. They’ve been real throughout Earth’s history, from the Roman and Medieval Warm Periods, Little Ice Age and Dust Bowl – to countless other cycles of warming and cooling, flood and drought, storm and calm, open Arctic seas and impassable ice.

Humans clearly influence weather and climate – at least on a local scale – through heat and emissions from cities and cars, our clearing of forests and grasslands, our diversion of rivers.

But that is not the issue. Nor is it enough to say – as EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson often does – that “the climate is changing and mankind is responsible in part for that change.” The assertion is simplistic and misleading. It skews the debate, stigmatizes fossil fuel use, and preordains public policy responses that are excessive, costly and unjust. The fundamental issue is this:

Are humans causing imminent, unprecedented, global climate change disasters? And can we prevent those alleged disasters, by dramatically increasing the price of carbon, drastically curtailing hydrocarbon use, slashing living standards, and imposing government control over industries and people’s lives?

There is no evidence to support these claims. Indeed, all the headline-grabbing disasters and a third of the citations in the IPCC’s massive 2007 climate report were newspaper articles, student papers, and press releases from climate activists and lobbyists – not peer-reviewed studies.

Crisis scenarios conjured up by computer models are no better. The models reflect CO2-centric assumptions, presume clouds exert only warming influences, rely on often manipulated temperature data from urban heat islands – and are little better than Farmville or Sim Earth.

They help scientists visualize how climate systems work. But they’re useless for predicting the future. They create virtual realities and virtual crises, and then “solve” them with virtual solutions. We need reality-based science and public policy.

Most Americans now blame climate change on natural forces, not human activity – and 75% are unwilling to spend more than $100 per year in higher energy bills to “stabilize” Earth’s turbulent and unpredictable climate (Rasmussen polls).

Congress and the White House need to reexamine the so-called “science” behind climate disaster claims, and demonstrate similar commonsense.

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Willie Soon is an independent scientist who studies Arctic climate change.
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Richard Burgeson


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No one will listen PostSun May 09, 2010 2:53 pm  Reply with quote  

The big crisis is there is no crisis. For all you that believe puny little man has changed the Earth let me ask you something. Why are the other planets heating up in our solar system? The man here has it right, this is an (Earth cycle) and they are trying to cash in on it. They want a foot hold, they want to get a first of many global tax going. The very first one will net a trillion dollars a year. It's all a scam, a bunch of fear mongering. They are trying to control you with fear. They expect you to forget they played with the data. What exactly is the proposal they are going to do with this tax money?

It's obvious they intend to have a party at your expense. Look at Billy Gates, he's ready to waste a fortune on this out of fear. Why doesn't he spend it to get hydrogen fuel on demand. That will remove the carbon footprint. Follow the money, they can't do that, the oil cartels would get upset.

The United States government said they were going to own the weather by 2025. I recommend if you are having trouble with the weather go see them about it. They aren't the only government that's fooling around, get after whatever government needs it. The Earth has been far warmer several times in history. To bring up the other point it's April and we had sleet yesterday and it's snowing out West. Our crops are going to be ruined because it's cold. Exactly how painfully clear does it have to get. All the tax money in the world is not going to make this cycle go away, it's all just a money grab. Take away the ridiculous things they are doing to manipulate the weather and there will be real nasty weather for at least 6 months. The Earth will try to return to normal. After that's over though things should straighten out. How can you tell? On a clear night when you can photograph the moon and have absolutely no fog around the edge then they quit spraying. The top thin layer they spray is never let down. When they try to convince you that they stopped for a few days they never stop spraying the highest layer. There is always during those periods a white powder look to the blue straight above your head and the white thickens rapidly as you look further towards the horizon. That's what the top layer looks like. If you don't think chemtrails exist I have the patent number here on my computer and the name of the holder. (Search it yourself.) How much money do you think they are robbing you for that? (90% of this chemtrail activity is military. They want to use weather as a weapon in the near future. Over the horizon radar, Energy broadcasts, not just launch detection but also, anything that goes through the more than one layer of the chemtrails. It's also used to hide any biological and chemical testing they are doing. They have a history of doing that look it up on the net. Right now my area is covered with chemtrails. They are designed to make the weather worse.
Thomas Jefferson. " Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."
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Woh-woh, slow down Richard... PostSun May 09, 2010 8:59 pm  Reply with quote  

They are trying to control you with fear. They expect you to forget they played with the data

No Richard, they are not trying, they DO control us..., neither they 'expect', they MAKE us forget...!

You are not the only one who observed the "white powder", you know.
And yes this one too does come down..., only relatively later than the "fat" stuff!
If you really missed clear skies, come over to Europe now that they are preparing to restrict flights again because of the Iceland volcano...!
Really, I 'm not kidding!
French and German people -among others too- were actually shouting out loud they saw deep, really clear, amazing blue skies they haven't seen for lots of years...!!!!!!
And quess what, in that five period day when was everything was grounded
the weather in the major Mediterranean area was absolutely fantastic and clear! Of course there has to be some 'residues' from older spraying but in general everything looked as it sometime was!
The quality of the inhaling air was so pleasing...,
making our hearts (and brains Cool ) so happy...
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Radiation in space. PostSun May 23, 2010 6:53 pm  Reply with quote  

Any scientist will tell you most control of the weather is done by the output of the sun. I think their percentages are just a bit high. The rest of space has something to do with it to. Everything is in motion in space including energy. The Earth's ability to radiate heat into space is directly proportional to the amount of ambient energy. An easy analogy of this is having one room inside another room. If there is more heat in the outside room you can't open the door and radiate heat from the inside room to the outside room. Being all the other planets in the solar system are increasing in temperature I assume collecting taxpayer money is not going to help this problem.

I don't count volcanoes and earthquakes weather. I don't believe the rest of the world do either. The clouds from a volcano would reduce sunlight and ignoring air commerce would be cooling the Earth and would them be considered a good thing would it not? Meanwhile, I am sitting here asking what crisis? I agree that they are pumping up the volcano story with fake pictures and reports. It would be so easy to get real pictures. I am glad to hear you have clear skies and if any members here would like to take some pictures of the moon with a telescope I would be most interested in seeing them. I say they are trying to keep us busy and make a load of cash. This whole thing has to be as fake as the economy. They are pointing at the sky and saying the Goodyear Blimp and it's not there.

The clearest sky we get here doesn't just have the powder looking straight up. Looking to the horizon it turns white. I'm also glad to hear they haven't done the proposed orbiting scum they announced they were going to launch into space. We don't need that. We have enough junk in orbit now. As they like to announce something 20 years after they do it, I assumed that it was already done in the past.
Thomas Jefferson. " Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."
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