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Billy Joe McAllister





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PostSun Jan 12, 2003 10:39 pm  Reply with quote  

So Halva, let me get this straight. Are you saying that, of the thousands of people that would HAVE to know of the spraying operation, including low paid employees like re-fuelers and high paid business people like airline CEOs, than none of them would have the ethics and basic morality to blow the whistle?

Come on, look at the accolades and fame and adoration the whistle blowers of Enron got. They made the cover of Time magazine, people of the year for Godsake! You don't think this would be motivation for a low paid employee to blow the cover off the biggest cover-up in human history?

Get real.

And by the way, airline CEOs, who refuse to take part in the spray operation, would gladly leak news of their competition’s spray activities to the press...DONCHYATHINK? Ya think the press is going to turn down the story of the century?
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PHXPilot





Joined: 05 Jan 2003
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PostSun Jan 12, 2003 10:41 pm  Reply with quote  

My apologies to Evereteyes, I sincerely did not see your post at the bottom of page 7. I thought the newest comment was on page 8. Sorry.

Anyway, Your question was asking whether I thought KC-135s were spraying. Well, I really do not think that there is any spraying by anyone, but I cannot really make a 100% judgement call on the militarys actions. I only know that the airliners arent. The military MIGHT, but I doubt it.

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Billy Joe McAllister





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PostSun Jan 12, 2003 10:54 pm  Reply with quote  

I guess, now that the possibility of this supposed chemical being in the fuel, and the possibility of the airliners being involved, has been thoroughly de-bunked beyond any reasonable doubt, then that leads us back to the military option. Right, Mech?
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PHXPilot





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PostSun Jan 12, 2003 10:59 pm  Reply with quote  

......but even though its been debunked, they will continue posting photos of airliners supposedly spraying chems. And it continues ever onwards.......
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Billy Joe McAllister





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PostSun Jan 12, 2003 11:16 pm  Reply with quote  

I guess this just proves that a certain segment of the population is just going to be irrational, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Also,explains why Teddy Kennedy keeps getting elected, I think.
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PHXPilot





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PostSun Jan 12, 2003 11:37 pm  Reply with quote  

"Also,explains why Teddy Kennedy keeps getting elected, I think."

LMAO I think you nailed it.
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the professor





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PostMon Jan 13, 2003 4:25 am  Reply with quote  

yeah you nailed it but forgot to put yourselves in the mix for the deniability
factor.
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halva





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PostMon Jan 13, 2003 6:14 am  Reply with quote  

PHX Pilot. You have now acknowledged that military aircraft MIGHT be involved. So from this point on you will be more discriminating in your criticism. No more criticism of YOU PEOPLE. You will focus entirely on people and postings claiming or appearing to claim that civilian aircraft are involved. In this way whatever knowledge you have (and I don't know whether you do or don't, but concede that you may know some things) will be put at the disposal of the forum, and of those who are trying to understand what is causing the chemtrails, the majority of this forum.

No more comments like this: "......but even though its been debunked, they will continue posting photos of airliners supposedly spraying chems. And it continues ever onwards......."

I am not posting photos of airliners spraying chems. And neither are many other participants. So from this point onwards, when we see something like this happening on the forum, we will all together challenge whoever is continuing to claim that civilian aircraft are involved, and see if that helps us get closer to the truth.

And I hope that Billy Joe is going to have enough brains to understand this new way of proceeding and not put up any more posts like: "I guess this just proves that a certain segment of the population is just going to be irrational, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Also,explains why Teddy Kennedy keeps getting elected, I
think."

This posting still has the YOU PEOPLE stance, which does not distinguish between those making chemtrails claims in relation to civilian aircraft and those making chemtrails claims in relation to military aircraft. And it drags in politics, and American Democrat-Republican party politics at that, a subject which is absolutely irrelevant to the question of who or what is behind chemtrails and what their purposes are.

So, if you agree to making this distinction, let us continue together, on the same side, to investigate reality.

If you don't and are going to lapse back into the old game, I don't know what to suggest. Perhaps the moderators should expel you.

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Billy Joe McAllister





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PostMon Jan 13, 2003 7:21 am  Reply with quote  

>>>>>And it drags in politics, and American Democrat-Republican party politics at that, a subject which is absolutely irrelevant to the question of who or what is behind chemtrails and what their purposes are.<<<<<

My point was completely relevant. You just don‘t like it because you disagree, and in your world, disagreement is a evidently a bad thing. I don’t think there’s any question that the majority of people who believe in chemtrails have a “liberal”/socialist/green, anti-military mindset. Just look at Mech’s or Chem 11’s views alone, to see verification of that. There can be no doubt of this truth if one simply reads this board. This is not a political statement, it’s a way of thinking….It’s a generalized but truthful observation of those who believe in the chemtrail issue.

I contend it’s an irrational way of thinking as evidenced in this very thread by your own demonstrated reasoning process, and failure to acknowledge points made and factual undeniable evidence presented when it differs from what you believe. You demonstrate every thing I’m saying as true by your own comments alone, yet don’t even seem to realize that the point is very valid, and you are one of the people confirming it!

And how does it relate to politics? Well the same type of irrational mentality that could re-elect Clinton, try to elect Gore, or Hillary or re-elect Teddy Kennedy to the Senate, is the type it takes to believe in chemtrails. Just my personal observation…you don’t have to agree, but I see those types of votes as irrational. It takes a person capable of strong self-delusion, and unconcerned with truth or reality, to ignore some of the points made by the pilots here, hence my point is entirely relevant. If you don’t like my point or people expressing viewpoints different than yours, and for doing so, you would suppress that person’s viewpoints by forcibly removing them, (as your remarks indicate) then you make my point especially more relevant. This tendency to suppress viewpoints that differ from your own is EXACTLY the same mentality that is common in most liberals….It’s part of what I’m describing as irrational. (Attempting to eliminate truth by banning discussion of it is irrational).

You want to just “expel” it, as if that will make the truth go away. I don’t see any difference between this mentality, and Gestapo book burning. Maybe if you just burn all thoughts that disagree with yours or if you delete them, they will go away and everything will be all better….eh, Halva? Is this how you think? ….Stating the truth and facts (like what causes standing waves in the atmosphere) is distracting to the message board in your view? The truth is disturbing to you people? Evidently so…..Hence….Irrationality is a good descriptive word.

My point stands vindicated.
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halva





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PostMon Jan 13, 2003 9:33 am  Reply with quote  

I have Greek and European Union citizenship and you should not want me to be interfering in American domestic politics.
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Mech





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PostMon Jan 13, 2003 10:00 am  Reply with quote  

One thing is certain...when the truth is finally revealed..BOTH sides (believers and non-believers) are going to benefit. I predict this will happen in 2003.

You heard it here first.
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dythram





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PostMon Jan 13, 2003 11:37 pm  Reply with quote  

Hi all, I just joined a few minutes ago, so I don't know if anyone has cited this:
http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Willthomas/bulletin/bulletin.htm

But if anyone doubts the reality of chemtrails and their effects, they only need to spend some time here with me.
Objectively observing various aspects of the activity, then experiencing the dry mouth and subtle but strange odors for a couple weeks should be quite convincing.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by dythram on 01-13-2003]
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PHXPilot





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PostMon Jan 13, 2003 11:41 pm  Reply with quote  

Halva, I understand what you are saying. I will try not to make generalizations anymore, but I just want to make it clear that I do not think anyone is making any chemtrail. I do not think this is going on. I said that I am not 100% sure that they arent. And I still cant be 100% sure. But im still holding the stance that they are not. Just like I am not 100% sure that Dick Cheney isnt baking muffins right now. I seriously doubt that he is, but im not 100% sure.

Im sorry but I have not see true photographic evidence of a KC-135, KC-10 or any other military aircraft making contrails that arent normal. If I see a photo of a KC-135 with nozzles on the wings producing a large trail of chemicals, then I will be tempted to believe what you are saying is going on. But, until I see actual evidence, and not circular reasoning, or "word of mouth", I will hold my stance that there is no spraying. The contrails you and I see are perfectly normal. I see no reason to believe the USAF is poisoning us.

Again, I could not testify under the court of law that there is no spraying, but I firmly do not think this is this case.
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K tha Controlla





Joined: 12 Jan 2003
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Location: Atlanta - Ga - USA
PostMon Jan 13, 2003 11:49 pm  Reply with quote  

a PX..

if your so sure, there is no spray operation.. WHY are you on this forum.. Seems to me, you do believe something is going on, but are denying it, but your true self wants answers, so you stick around..

cuz if there is nothing going on, then there is no reason 2 be here, right..

really, I hit this thread cuz I wanted 2 reply 2 CommonSense.. but it seems that person has left the convo..

l8a..

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PHXPilot





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PostTue Jan 14, 2003 1:33 am  Reply with quote  

Why am I on this forum? Because I dont really like it when people think I am poisoning them when my plane is making contrails. The fact is that I am doing no such thing, and neither is every other pilot in the skies.

Thats what I am trying to do here.
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