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Feelin Kocky
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quote:
Originally posted by Lulu:
So over 20,000' ? How long would it take the chemicals to reach the ground FK?
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Lulu on 01-26-2003]
As I stated in an early post, I think it would take days (maybe serveral). If it took 24 hours, the chemicals would travel many hundreds of miles away. If it only takes 6 hours, they would have reached the ground still over a hundred miles away.
F.K.
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Lulu
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Sun Jan 26, 2003 6:59 pm
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They may have existed pre 2000 FK, but I never noticed any in my area.
This is what I said to refresh >>Yes, FK, please post some halos pre 2000 above the Kelowna area taken mid-summer. That would convince me that these halos (that I witnessed on almost a daily basis, both night and day, from fall 2000 until spring 2002) are more common than thought...and just perhaps nothing sinister is going on overhead...<<
Now if halos are as common as you say then surely there are many pictures out there, including the Kelowna area, pre 2000 that show halos round the sun and moon. Please show me just one pic FK...
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Feelin Kocky
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Sun Jan 26, 2003 7:06 pm
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How close to that location will you accept? |
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Lulu
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Sun Jan 26, 2003 7:12 pm
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I'll accept fairly close FK.
Concerning the top pic--would you say over 20,000' like the other one? Certainly well under 35,000' wouldn't you agree?
Days eh? hmmmmm
Wonder what made the protesters so ill then? another mystery... |
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Feelin Kocky
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Sun Jan 26, 2003 7:16 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by Lulu:
Wonder what made the protesters so ill then? another mystery...
Indeed.
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Lulu
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Sun Jan 26, 2003 7:21 pm
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Yes indeed FK.
>>Concerning the top pic--would you say over 20,000' like the other one? Certainly well under 35,000' wouldn't you agree?<<
Ball's in your court FK (:
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Feelin Kocky
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Sun Jan 26, 2003 7:43 pm
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What does the altitude have to do with anything if it takes 6 hours for the chemicals to reach the ground. You said it takes 6 hours for the chemicals to reach the ground. I showed you that at the wind speeds above that location, the chemicals would reach the ground over a hundred miles away. |
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Lulu
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Sun Jan 26, 2003 8:10 pm
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You were the one that mentioned 35,000' FK. I was wondering if it is normal for contrails such as above to form and persist at much lower elevations.
You seem a little tense FK--perhaps I am asking you too many questions?
I will ask this just once more--what is the guestimated altitude of the trails in the top picture?
Thanks.
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Feelin Kocky
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Sun Jan 26, 2003 8:17 pm
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over 25K. Maybe ~35K. That's a guesstimate.
Not tense yet. Ready for that first superbowl Labatts though.
Got to go for now.
to be continued...
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Lulu
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Sun Jan 26, 2003 8:18 pm
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Thanks FK--yes to be continued for sure.
Time to study! |
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Feelin Kocky
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Thu Jan 30, 2003 1:36 am
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Ok, Lulu, I've been thinking about this halo thing for a couple of days. I would submit that with the explosion of air traffic over the past 50 years that there would surely be an increase in contrails. So it is certainly not out of the realm of possiblility that more halos have been observed because of this.
The most important FACT that you must consider is that halos are visible because of ice crystals (water). Ie. there is no other substance that produces crystals the exact size and shape of water ice crystals. This implies very strongly that contrails are made up of nothing more than ice crystals (water). Now if you would like to argue that the crystals that cause halos are made of some other material, great. I would be very interested to find out whether or not the "chemicals" that are claimed to be in jet exhaust have the exact same crystal size and shape of those crystals made from water.
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Lulu
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Sun Feb 02, 2003 6:46 pm
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>>I would submit that with the explosion of air traffic over the past 50 years that there would surely be an increase in contrails. So it is certainly not out of the realm of possiblility that more halos have been observed because of this.<<
FK I have only observed these halos in the past three years and not at all in the past six months.
>>The most important FACT that you must consider is that halos are visible because of ice crystals (water).<<
Then I assume there have been no ice crystals in the atmosphere over Kelowna in the past six months.
>>This implies very strongly that contrails are made up of nothing more than ice crystals (water).<<
The contrails I have observed in the past six months have dissipated within ten seconds. This is why I have seen no halos? Whereas during the 2 1/2 years prior the contrails spread and lingered for hours, and this is why I witnessed numerous halos?
My question to you FK is do you think the absense of halos now is the result of less air traffic or a change in the atmosphere itself? or perhaps something else? |
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Feelin Kocky
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Mon Feb 03, 2003 11:31 pm
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>>My question to you FK is do you think the absense of halos now is the result of less air traffic or a change in the atmosphere itself? or perhaps something else?<<
I can't say that the number of halos you've seen has anything to do with the amount of air traffic over your location. But whenever you see them, it is because of water.
How was your weekend, by the way? I just had a joyous drive through a nebraska snow storm in a car with a busted heater. 
F.K.
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Lulu
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Wed Feb 05, 2003 6:16 am
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Water behaving badly.
I enjoyed warm temperatures this past weekend FK...even the weeds are sprouting. |
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Feelin Kocky
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Wed Feb 05, 2003 1:41 pm
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Whatever YOU want to call it. It is still WATER.
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