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David
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You really can't figure that out on your own?
OK, I'll help you out>>
msu94 was fooled into thinking that mark was fooled into thinking that the article, made to fool ya, is foolishly real. Get it?
msu94 was fooled.
n.
One who is deficient in judgment, sense, or understanding.
One who acts unwisely on a given occasion: I was a fool to have quit my job.
>>>One who has been tricked or made to appear ridiculous; a dupe:<<<
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PHXPilot
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Sat Mar 01, 2003 11:35 pm
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No he wasnt. He said "I sure hope you didnt actually believe that". He did not say "I cant believe you actually believed that". If he would have said the latter, than you would be right. But he didnt. He said "I hope". That indicates that he didnt know if mark believed it or not. He never indicated that he thought Mark believed it. I too have said "I hope you didnt believe that" to other people. I was in no way fooled.
So no, he wasnt "fooled". |
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David
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Sat Mar 01, 2003 11:40 pm
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Care to try again? The words below indicate that your explanation is flawed.
---------------------------------------------From mavericks board
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Author Comment
msu94
Disinfo Agent
Posts: 257
(3/1/03 10:30:07 am)
Reply Mark Sky fooled by Onion article
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www.chemtrailcentral.com/...24.html#11
www.theonion.com/onion390...irens.html
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PHXPilot
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Sat Mar 01, 2003 11:46 pm
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Well then I retract my statement that he never though mark was fooled. I very rarely tread into other chemtrail websites forums.
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WiseQuakker
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Sun Mar 02, 2003 12:30 am
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And dumped fuel does not linger. That is why, when I strain fuel from my plane before flight, I throw it in the air. It atomizes very quickly when dispersed in the air. When a jet dumps fuel, which happens VERY rarely, it is invisible at leat 5 seconds afterwards.
-PHXPilot
You mean five minutes, right...??? |
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PHXPilot
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Sun Mar 02, 2003 12:51 am
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No, I mean 5 seconds. When fuel is vented out into the airstream, it atomizes VERY quickly. If you watch an aircraft dump fuel from the ground, as I have, you will only be able to see the vented fuel for a few seconds afterward before it is so spread out that it is essentially invisible.
Here is a photo that shows what I mean: http://airliners.net/open.file/030316/M/
You can see that the fuel becomes quite atomized only a few tenths of a second after it left the aircraft.
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WiseQuakker
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Sun Mar 02, 2003 4:43 am
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What are we looking at here, then? The Prowler in this series of images dumped a load at around 10K feet, directly over downtown Mount Vernon, before heading east toward the Cascade Mountains instead of nearby NAS Whidbey. I watched as the trail took close to fifteen minutes to dissipate.
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skyplot
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Lulu
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Sun Mar 02, 2003 4:59 am
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Very interesting indeed Wise Quakker! Most interested to hear PHXPilot's reply...
Great shots! |
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PHXPilot
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Sun Mar 02, 2003 5:12 am
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Holy crap. Well, my short response to that: I dont know 
I watched a smaller aircraft lose a fuel cap and, due to the vaccum of air flowing over the hole, watched gallons and gallons of avgas get sucked out into the air creating a stream of fuel that would last only a few seconds. It didnt last near as long as that. Well, the amount of fuel being put into the air is much greater in the EA-6B in your photos, so they may cause the longer lasting trail. Its different fuel too, Jet-A instead of Avgas. Oh well, my bad.
But, getting back to whats important (the conspiracies), are you saying that they are intentionally venting fuel over the city to cause disease and/or sickness? |
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PHXPilot
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Sun Mar 02, 2003 5:25 am
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After dwelling on the photos, I realized that wind probably plays the biggest factor in how long fuel is visible after it is vented. Imagine throwing a bucketful of water in the air. If its not windy at all, the water will stick together and will fall in one big lump, more or less. If its windy, the water particles will be forced apart and will atomize much, much quicker. Much of the water you threw up in the air will not come back down because it atomized and is now floating around in the air.
Im guessing it was very calm the day that EA-6B vented fuel. |
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mark sky
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Mon Mar 03, 2003 1:21 am
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as you ponder who is a fool or not, or any of that foolishness, ponder this collection of excerpts~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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mark sky
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Mon Mar 03, 2003 2:35 am
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it is always fun to toss a stone into the pond
i like to see where the ripples go
dont you?
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toss...
NANOPORES
(I include this here because those same people who are “gifted” with grants to study the effects on JP8, ALSO do this kind of research, and of course… terrorism defense studies
(more “threads” from the web) (solid gold from 2025)
FROM> http://www.mcb.harvard.edu/branton/projects-TheoryModeling.htm
Theory and Modeling of Polymer Translocation through Proteins and Solid-State Nanopores
Theoretical work using explicit atomistic simulations to investigate how polymer molecules worm through narrow pores is being carried out by Professor Murugappan Muthukumar and his co-workers in collaboration with other members of the Nanopore Group at Harvard
FROM> http://www.science.uwaterloo.ca/~mpalmer/research.html
Overview: Bacterial pore-forming toxins and how they work
(more ways to insert DNA into you and those you love)
FROM> http://pauling.tamu.edu/medbiogen/bayley/hb_res.html
Bayley Lab Research Summary
New reagents for signal transduction research
The use of "caged" reagents allows the photogeneration of molecules on or in cells with spatial and temporal control. For example, in studies of signal transduction mechanisms, effectors and inhibitors can be released at predetermined sites. We have synthesized a water-soluble reagent, BNPA, for caging peptides and proteins by attaching a photocleavable protecting group to essential cysteine residues that have been introduced by chemical synthesis or site-directed mutagenesis. Upon irradiation, molecules inactivated by BNPA are reactivated (see Fig. 1).
In one application of BNPA, we have made a photoactivatable membrane pore. Bacterial proteins that form pores of various diameters are important tools in cell biology. By using them, small molecules and even proteins can be introduced into or removed from the cell interior. One drawback of native pore-forming proteins is the lack of ability to control when and where they are activated. Therefore, we caged a single-cysteine mutant of staphylococcal alpha-hemolysin with BNPA to form an inactive derivative that is activated by light. The caged pore will be applied in our studies of neuronal modulation (the cellular basis of learning and memory) where it will be helpful to permeabilize one cell within a collection of cells (e.g. a neuron in a network) or one compartment of a single cell (e.g. the presynaptic terminus of a neuron).
Pore-forming proteins with triggers and switches
Beyond their utility in cell biology, pore-forming proteins may have applications in biotechnology. The proteins would be all the more useful if their pore-forming activity could be controlled by external stimuli.
One example of such control is the photoactivatable pore. In addition, we have been using genetic engineering to introduce a variety of triggers and switches into alpha-hemolysin
FROM> http://www.cstl.nist.gov/biotech/biomat/Projects/tissue_engineering.html
Objective
Our interest in biomaterials and biomimetics has been motivated by the desire to incorporate biological functionality into man made materials. Our research will focus on the synthesis, characterization, and fabrication of biomaterials; biomimetic membrane surfaces and devices, which will be designed to control, cell behavior and tissue development. A variety of signals can be conveyed to cells from a material, and both chemistry and mechanics of the material regulate signal transduction. Control of both bulk and surface chemistry/structure may be utilized to affect this regulation. These materials may be used as in vitro model systems to study basic biological questions, or as systems to regenerate lost or deficient tissue structure in vivo. One of our particular interests is to develop an in-vitro biomimetic enriched membrane construct to be used as a scaffold and biocompatible adhesive matrix to enhance the adsorption, adhesion, and incorporation of cell/polymer composites (grafts) with the neighboring host tissue.
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mark sky
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Mon Mar 03, 2003 3:49 am
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note
i know that what is so hillariouse today
even though it will be here at your door tommorrow~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
from a turnip
or even an "onion"
i may be a fool for even trying
so OK "i am a fool"
feel better now?
anyway me and my friends though it was absolutely funny
duck and cover (it is red OCHER blush)
GOD i am glad this is only a test
this can not be real can ex?
i am nuts
you are sane
now can we get on with the game
lettuce dance
have you ever seen the atntics a addict goes through?
iraq as the second largest source of the product
it needs to empower "global change"
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WiseQuakker
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Tue Mar 04, 2003 9:49 am
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After dwelling on the photos, I realized that wind probably plays the biggest factor in how long fuel is visible after it is vented...... Im guessing it was very calm the day that EA-6B vented fuel.
-PHXPilot
As I recall, we were between weather systems that day in mid-February. There wasn’t a cloud in the sky, but I’m not certain just how calm it actually was at 700 mb (~10K feet). Turbulent aloft or not, I would certainly expect wind résistance, alone, against the mass of jettisoned fuel in freefall to effectively “atomize” it in relatively short order. Even a tub full of water, dumped from the top floor of the Sears Tower, ought to separate into particles tiny enough to catch people on the ground unaware of where any mist might have come from. I must say, though, your “holy crap” reaction to the photos is much the same as mine was, as I watched the whole thing live. I’m surprised that the Prowler had any fuel left by the time the pilot was through purging.
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But, getting back to whats important (the conspiracies), are you saying that they are intentionally venting fuel over the city to cause disease and/or sickness?
-PHXPilot
Don’t be a prick, PP. You’re just trying to be cute with your sarcasm, right?
This much is certain. Below a certain altitude, and in the absence of a dire emergency, the dumping of large amounts of fuel over populated areas is, at best, just plain irresponsible. Excusing the practice, merely by stating that the mixture “atomizes,” is only a half-truth. Under the right atmospheric conditions, there is evidence that a significant amount of it still reaches the ground. Even a crusty old Navy Vet neighbor of mine complains about his having to continually get up on the roof and clean up the residue that is left behind on the skylights. He knows that what the pilots are doing is wrong.
There used to be a web page titled, “Military Fuel Jettison Restrictions” (http://www.afrc.af.mil/afrcepl/PUBS/Multi/AMC/11/11021005/11021005.pdf). If I remember correctly, the document did agree with my neighbor. Too bad I only bookmarked it and didn’t save it to disk. It doesn’t “Google” up anywhere anymore since I filed a report with the FAA, last October, and cited the web page. Yet another coincidence, I take it. I had called and described what appeared to be another intense horizon-to-horizon fuel dump over south Mount Vernon and was told to not worry about it, as the fuel “atomizes.”
Okay. Whatever...
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theseeker
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Tue Mar 04, 2003 10:09 am
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I remember asking the question of participants, with any number of 4000 plus flights zipping around at any time o' the day just how many of them were dumping fuel...and what ratio over populated areas...
I still remember this...
fuel dumping is restricted to unpopulated areas
reserved to my own judgement I chose to ignore it until it happens here....
to save human life is a resonable explanation...
still doesn't add up to no covert plan...just a serious bitch...
sup don |
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