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Jeanie
Joined: 18 Nov 2001
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Pilot, do you have any idea how the aluminum is getting into the atmosphere? |
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PHXPilot
Joined: 05 Jan 2003
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Location: Phoenix, AZ, USA |
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Sat Mar 29, 2003 12:38 am
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Well, if there really is an excessive amount of aluminum in the atmosphere, then I really dont know. But I can tell you it isnt from contrails/chemtrails. Why arent you guys as suspicious of nuclear power plants, or smokestacks?
Yea,I gonna let some punk ass kid tell me that what I've seen with my own eyes is not really taking place.
Im not denying that you saw aircraft leaving trails in the sky. I am denying your assumption of chemical activity.
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DBNKPilot
Joined: 27 Mar 2003
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Sat Mar 29, 2003 2:54 am
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Excuse me but i actually do fly C-130s and I was an engineer for the Lockheed C-5A Galaxy. So i can say that there is absolutely no spraying equipment on the 200+ a/c i worked on and on the 30+ a/c i have flown.
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DBNKPilot
Joined: 27 Mar 2003
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Sat Mar 29, 2003 3:00 am
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"Come clean from what? Do YOU believe I am spraying you with poison? Im sorry to inform you that I, and my other fellow pilots, are not."
Hey PHX should we sing a round of We shall not be moved, Or Solidarity for ever.?? 
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YYCPilot
Joined: 26 Mar 2003
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Location: Calgary, AB |
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Sat Mar 29, 2003 3:01 am
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quote:
Originally posted by Jeanie:
Pilot, do you have any idea how the aluminum is getting into the atmosphere?
I would say all that aluminum in the atmosphere is the thousands of aircraft in the sky each and every day.
Although I'm not sure about the motives of the composite aircraft manufacturers... 
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Shadow
Joined: 27 Mar 2003
Posts: 48
Location: Orange County, CA, USA |
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Sat Mar 29, 2003 7:08 am
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PHXpilot said >>This is where it is good to take photos. Your description sure made it sound like KC-135 or AWACS trails.<<
Photos show the trails alright, but the a/c is far too high in altitude to be recognizable. I can't even ID outline of a/c w/binoculars, unlike commercial a/c at lower altitude NOT leaving a trail.
PHXpilot said >>Airliners do not take the same route to their destination on every flight.<<
I am very aware of that, but what I was trying to point out was that one a/c had laid down a CHEMtrail that was spreading out as the hour passed, and ANOTHER a/c was flying alongside (my perspective permitting) and its trail was dissipating within 30 seconds, per the norms.
PHXpilot said >>But so are persistent, hour long contrails. But conditions needed to make those big, long lasting contrails are harder to achieve, hence the tendency for them to show up only once in a while.<<
That is another point being made by some posters here....that when these trails happen, they last all day long; they spread out into cloud formations; they happen in odd patterns, as you've seen from the photos. As the years go by the records kept by some are following definite patterns.
PHXpilot said >>But they were wrong, the aircraft in the photo was not that low. It looked to be still fully in the altitude range normally suited for contrails. I have never seen an aircraft leave a persistant contrail at an altitude where there shouldnt be any at all. But keep in mind, as long as conditions are right, aircraft can create those contrails at ANY altitude.<<
I was not talking about a photo shown on this BB. I was talking about my own observations.
I am using as much information I've learned about a/c and the atmosphere as I can...that's why these day-long chemtrails are so odd and bring on questions.
I'll ask if you've ever seen this phenonomen in AZ? I'm talking about your area sky filled w/the trails that last all day and form their own cloud formations.
Ciao, Shadow
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YULpilot
Joined: 28 Mar 2003
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Sat Mar 29, 2003 7:25 am
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Impressive display of maturity everetteyes, way to go.
[sarcasm off] |
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everetteyes
Joined: 15 May 2002
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Location: Everett WA |
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Sat Mar 29, 2003 3:07 pm
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Eat my tube steak addlepate! |
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PHXPilot
Joined: 05 Jan 2003
Posts: 800
Location: Phoenix, AZ, USA |
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Sat Mar 29, 2003 4:50 pm
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Photos show the trails alright, but the a/c is far too high in altitude to be recognizable. I can't even ID outline of a/c w/binoculars, unlike commercial a/c at lower altitude NOT leaving a trail.
C'mon Shadow!!! Pleeeeease use some sense here. What could possibly be the cause of aircraft above a certain altitude creating contrails, while aircraft below that altitude are not? Come on, think! No, not poison. Look, There probably was an air mass above a certain altitude that held better contrail forming conditions, and most air traffic was cruising below that altitude.
Simple as that! |
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Shadow
Joined: 27 Mar 2003
Posts: 48
Location: Orange County, CA, USA |
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Mon Mar 31, 2003 12:42 am
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>>PHX said: Come on, think! No, not poison.<<
Sorry, but I've never mentioned 'poison'.. nor do I appreciate your derision.
If you prefer nitpicking every word or observation, so be it, but your opinion of anyone else's intelligence here does not negate the fact that the trails observed are different from normal condensation trails, and these 'trails' remain in the sky, spreading out, covering the visible area for the remainder of a day... Not 'short afternoons' as you snidly remarked to someone else.
I believe most folks here are simply coming together to discuss this 'unknown', as it were, like many other discussions on varied subjects elsewhere.
Why you've taken on the job of 'educating us', AS YOU PUT IT, with put-downs is a conundrum. You have no proof that what is observed is NOT different from 'normal' contrails anymore than we have proof that they ARE.
Open discussion is the operative word on this site, from what I have observed....communication...not ridicule.
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PHXPilot
Joined: 05 Jan 2003
Posts: 800
Location: Phoenix, AZ, USA |
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Mon Mar 31, 2003 1:34 am
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...does not negate the fact that the trails observed are different from normal condensation trails
They ARE normal contrails. Thats what pisses me off; that you cant understand that!
...and these 'trails' remain in the sky, spreading out, covering the visible area for the remainder of a day
Thats how contrails act!!!
Not 'short afternoons' as you snidly remarked to someone else.
That wasnt me.
Why you've taken on the job of 'educating us', AS YOU PUT IT, with put-downs is a conundrum.
After I 'teach' you time and time again, and then you completely ignore it and make up your own laws of the universe, I start to lose my composure.
You have no proof that what is observed is NOT different from 'normal' contrails anymore than we have proof that they ARE.
AAAAAAAAHHHHHH. STOP SAYING THAT!! Thats like saying "you have no proof that the monkey I saw was NOT made of pudding, anymore than we have proof that it was." What your admitting is that you HAVE NO PROOF!! We have remarks from pilots, meterologists, WWII veterans, etc.. that these are completely normal contrails acting in the same way they always have, and you, still, have NOTHING!
Open discussion is the operative word on this site, from what I have observed....communication...not ridicule.
I tried that for months. It is useless to the chemmies on here. There is no point explaining things. They will ignore it.
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Swamp Gas
Joined: 06 Jun 2001
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Location: On a Hill in the Lowlands |
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Mon Mar 31, 2003 2:04 am
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In the early days of color TV, some people were saying that the yoke in TV's was transmiting excessive radiation, and you should sit at least 10 feet away. The people opposed to that were RCA, Zenith, Admiral, etc. and technicians designing the sets. Then proof came out, and guess what? The yokes started using various guards such as Mu metal, and history forgets the 50's/
Same with radiation in the 50's. If any of you remember the commercials then (I do), the government was actaully saying radiaition wasn't that bad (Watch the movie Atomic Cafe). THIS WAS TO PROTECT THEIR JOBS. Just the same as these Pilots who frequent these boards. Same sad story all over again. Folks, these are COMMERCIAL pilots, trying to protect their jobs. The only military pilot is Pacer, who is simply here to put some "official" word and credence to the issue.
PHXPilot, the shear amount of BS that's flung, along with a good share of psychos/debunkers, negates any logic you have. |
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PHXPilot
Joined: 05 Jan 2003
Posts: 800
Location: Phoenix, AZ, USA |
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Mon Mar 31, 2003 3:10 am
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Folks, these are COMMERCIAL pilots, trying to protect their jobs.
Oh for crying out loud. Why would we be protecting our jobs? Do you think we feel our jobs are threatened? Do you think that if you ran around posting flyers everywhere, the airlines would start laying off pilots?
That makes no sense. |
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theseeker
Joined: 25 Jul 2000
Posts: 3403
Location: Damnit...I'm a doctor jim |
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Mon Mar 31, 2003 3:23 am
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The yokes started using various guards such as Mu metal
mu metal is mainly used in shielding "radiated electronic noise"...magnetic fields and such I never heard of it's use being for radiation on the level your implying...all mu metal does is shield an object inside it from a magnetic field or electronic noise...
of course then again maybe a part time *musician* and or a floor sweeper for a chip factory may know more than me....
your full of gas...gas... |
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