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julianpenrod
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invisible chemtrails
 Mon Apr 14, 2003 5:46 am
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Julian Penrod
4 Fairfield Avenue
West Caldwell, New Jersey 07006
(973) 220-1601
julianpenrod@comcast.net
April 14, 2003
To all:
As bad as it can be to engage in the disreputable, it can be just as loathsome to be aware of the foul and not make it known.
The question of invisible chemtrails has been, apparently, present in discussion of chemtrails, in general. Because they are not immediately obvious, special means are often necessary to make them apparent, but the nature of those means can often make the significance of these trails all the more evident. For example, in a previous picture I placed, under the post "invisible chemtrails", I included a picture I had subjected to photographic enhancement, to bring out the apparent material trailing behind it. In other cases, invisible chemtrails can make themselves apparent by the fact that the jet laying them has, apparently, "split a cloud in two".
A sight like this was evident over West Caldwell, on Wednesday, March 12. Part of the large cloudbank that had been over northern New Jersey looked like a long straight cut had been made through it. East of this large cut, there was a smaller cloud that seemed to have a continuation of the jet's trail through it. The first picture in the set below shows this smaller cloud, over the house. A few minutes later, though, the small cloud seemed to fill out, as if it was still forming. There was visible, now, in the smaller cloud, a second trail, crossing the first, making an "X". Like the first trail, this wasn’t a line of cloud or vapor, but, rather, an empty area, where cloud was not present, or wouldn’t form! This trail wasn't visible at first, and there was no second jet to be seen, so it was unlikely that the second path was cut by another jet cutting the cloud. It looked like the cloud had formed, as normal, by condensation of water from the air, but, because persistent invisible trails had been laid in the sky, the cloud, essentially, was forming around them! Unlike what may be called “normal chemtrails”, that leave behind cloud-like vapor, these trails seemed to leave behind something that prevented clouds from forming, even though they were forming around it!
The next picture shows the cloud about a minute later, again. Now, it seems more developed, and the cuts through it seem even more distinct!
There are those who may try to say that this was the result of the cloud moving closer and closer, and becoming more and more distinct, or of an original cloud simply spreading apart, making the cuts look bigger. But, in the next picture, taken about a minute later, there is a small puff of cloud suddenly visible, near the end of one leg of the "X", and, now, the leg seems to cut through it. That section of cloud seemed to form around that portion of invisible chemtrail, too!
The next picture was taken about a minute after the last one, and showed more detail. The cloud seemed starting to dissipate, now.
To deny the existence and apparent effect of invisible chemtrails seems, at best, unreasonable. They seem to provide a substance, now, that, instead of instigating cloud formation, actually seems to prevent condensation, even for significant periods of time after the trail is laid!
It is important to keep an eye on what is going on around, and to be willing to declare when something is amiss, even patently bizarre!
Julian Penrod
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Thermit on 04-14-2003] |
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PHXPilot
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Mon Apr 14, 2003 5:57 am
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Oh goodie. Another Gem by Mr. Penrod.
Julian, those are caused by aircraft flying through a very thin layer of cloud. At the tips of an aircrafts wings, you get what are called "wingtip vorticies". The high pressure under the wing near the tip wants to equilize with the low pressure on top, so it curls around the tip trying to reach the top side. This creates a giant vortex that gradually grows bigger as it comes off the wingtip. This movement of air will move everything near away with it. including clouds. Quite a few small aircraft have been lost to these wake vortexs as well.
You can see the vortex quite clearly in your last photos. You can see distinct swirls in the cloud area that the aircraft went through.
Just like the wake on a ship creates havoc, so does the wake of an aircraft.
To deny the existence and apparent effect of invisible chemtrails seems, at best, unreasonable.
Not quite. |
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theseeker
Joined: 25 Jul 2000
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Location: Damnit...I'm a doctor jim |
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Mon Apr 14, 2003 5:59 am
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damn...lookie at those margins 
here's the short of it jule....
not all clouds are ice...
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Chem11
Joined: 21 Apr 2001
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Mon Apr 14, 2003 7:52 am
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But all 'contrails' and cirrus aviaticus are, eh T/S? 
I saw something very simlar to what Julian has posted here about a month or so ago... I'll post a pic eventually, but I wathced what admittedly looked like a distrail form in midst of one of the technoclouds. But no aircraft was visible in the vicinity and the faux-distrail formed rather slowly.
Something for folks to keep an eye out for... |
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theseeker
Joined: 25 Jul 2000
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Mon Apr 14, 2003 8:05 am
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MAN !
the reply box is 6 feet long !
chem...what is so unusual about a those photos ?
we have planes fly over all the time
here heading to tulsa at alts
that are not conducive for contrails formation...
or maybe it's a new ray gun...yeah... |
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NW41Heavy
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Mon Apr 14, 2003 8:27 am
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Youre just seeing the wake of airplanes passing though that thin layer of clouds.. just like a boat cutting through water, airplanes cut through air and leave a wake. Geez people.. everything isnt evil and out to destroy the world.
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Dude, that guy has a black belt in redneck! |
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Lulu
Joined: 22 Dec 2000
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Mon Apr 14, 2003 3:46 pm
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Nice explanation pilots et al. Course this truth will merit a full page, mile long article from Julian on you evil debunkers!
Come to think of it--those invisible chemtrails look like a cross--perhaps God is delivering you a secret message Julian?
>> it can be just as loathsome to be aware of the foul and not make it known.<<
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Lulu on 04-14-2003] |
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HatchetML
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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Mon Apr 14, 2003 4:58 pm
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You know, i just squat and watch all of you for the longest of days! I cant help but remind myself as to why all the smartass's even reply to things they deem [retarded,natural,explainable] because normal thought says if you dont have anything to add shut your hole and goto the next msg, But I know you cant refrain its just your nature right? Or bank account? Ya first post but been here for awhile just watching, some of you are just obvious jerks no matter what the msg contains! Which brings us back to the previous as to why you even bother posting! Oh thats right your making sure that these "crazy" ppl dont put bad thoughts in my head right? Give me a break! Then that whole crybaby debunker post the other week what a put on you know who you are! That was the funniest stuff i ever seen! But all you debunkers of common sense let me tell you, theres alot of ppl that see right thru your paper walls so ask yourself next time is it worth it? Its worth it here to always question that which is real! Looking for a quote here but couldnt find it from Jeferson! Anyway the day we stop questioning is the end of days!
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Lulu
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Mon Apr 14, 2003 5:40 pm
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Hey Hatchet--welcome aboard! Thank you for not being an ALL CAPS newbie!! |
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Chem11
Joined: 21 Apr 2001
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Mon Apr 14, 2003 7:16 pm
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What's 'unusual', T/S, is Julian's statement that:
"This trail wasn't visible at first, and there was no second jet to be seen, so it was unlikely that the second path was cut by another jet cutting the cloud".
Since I've seen the same thing myself, I consider that to be a credible claim. Now, as many people have discovered, just because you don't see the plane doesn't mean there isn't one there... but what I observed formed too slowly to be caused by a jet, I suspect. |
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NW41Heavy
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Mon Apr 14, 2003 8:38 pm
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FYI- when I've been flying around before without any passengers in the King Air- we've passed through thin layers like this and had a little fun with it. Asked for a turn from ATC after passing through it and went back and looked at the path we had cut through the clouds.
Also will have a competion passing through cloud tops with the other pilot to see who can make the best indentation in the top of the cloud. Will have to dive down to it, hit it, pull up and into a hard bank back around to see the cloud top curling madly from our wake.
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Feelin Kocky
Joined: 07 Jan 2003
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Mon Apr 14, 2003 10:53 pm
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Dissapation trail perhaps? Canex? |
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MSPpilot
Joined: 16 Apr 2003
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Thu Apr 17, 2003 4:53 am
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That happens all the time. I notice it a lot inflight. Wingtip vortices is the right answer, good PHX. Good thing we have some "sense" here! |
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PHXPilot
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Thu Apr 17, 2003 5:30 am
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but what I observed formed too slowly to be caused by a jet, I suspect.
Then the aircraft was probably above the clouds alititude, and the vorticies sank into the cloud layer over a few minutes. |
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