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stameyjd
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READ AND WEEP THIS BALONEY!
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There tends to be an almost sadistic joy at insulting others on this website.
i have attempted to share real scientific principles that govern the realities behind the phenemenon we call contrails and chemtrails.
i have been ridiculed and laughed at. big deal! who cares. i am secure in my doctorate degree.
i call on the site moderators to stop this nonsense.
it you don't believe in chemtrails, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE! don't waste time insulting and using psuedo scientific pilot speak to try and humiliate the rest of us non-flyers.
here, i direct you attention to web sites written at a 4th grade level and they even have pictures, that explain earth's hydrological cycle and cloud formation!
i also include a nasa site that explains contrails, please notice that NASA explains contrails can last for hours,at most, not days.
i know what causes clouds and smog and i know a chemtrail when i see one. do you?
please enjoy the following sites!
http//:www.unesco.org/science/waterday2000/cycle.htm
http//:www.nasaexplores.com/search_nar_k_4php
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NW41Heavy
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Sat Apr 12, 2003 8:35 am
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The reason why I personally am here is to give you an "insider's" perspective on this stuff. No one on here seems to have ever been in an airplane, much less have any experience in the front office of one. Everyone on here seems to profess such expertise and knowlege of the tracks of high altitude aircraft- which ever most pilots except for the privaleged few who fly turbine powered birds know little about. Flying up there is a little known world that people can look in from the outside and thhink they know alot about, but only know enough to figure out something to worry about. Especially those that tend toward believe in conspiracy theories.
I'm not here to make fun of people- it amazes me the ignorance occasionally about high altitude ops- I only will let loose my inate smart assness if someone tries to rag on me.
A more concise defition for you: Every weather action is a result of an exchange of heat as first caused by the sun. The variations of water vapor through this exchange in heat in our atmosphere is what we know as weather. |
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PHXPilot
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Sat Apr 12, 2003 3:54 pm
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Im not here to make fun of people either. But if you call me ignorant, then proceed to say the temp at 35K ft is 54 degrees...
Very few people on this site seem to have a grasp on basic atmospheric dynamics.
Main point: Pour chemicals out of an aircraft at 35K ft, and 500 kts. What happens. Does it somehow create cirrus clouds, and grow? No. Thats what ICE CRYSTALS do. Chemicals dissipate. |
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msu94
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Sat Apr 12, 2003 4:35 pm
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Oh come on, you can do better than that.
Point out ONE factual error I made.
Instead of starting a new thread because you did not like what others said, how about countering it with facts and debate.
Tell us how WW2 aircraft trails are not contrails but smogtrails. Just explain it rationally and avoid the "I know it when I see it" phrase because that is just a cop-out for when one does not have a real answer.
I still do not think you know what "Smog" is. You are the only person who has ever said WW2 aircraft trails were not contrails.
I dont get a sadistic joy about pointing out things that are factually wrong. But if someone makes an error in something, why shouldnt it be pointed out? We are all adults here and should be able to take it when someone points out an error.
If chemtrails believers would get there facts and science right, then no one would be able to say anything. There is an amazing lack of knowledge about aviation among chemtrail activists, but when errors are made and then point out, they get all mad often.
Yes I know what the hydrologic cycle is. I have been on a BBC program about the hydrologic cycle, and my major was earth science in college. How does the hydrologic cycle prove chemtrails
What is your doctorate in?
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PHXPilot
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Sat Apr 12, 2003 5:00 pm
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But if someone makes an error in something, why shouldnt it be pointed out? We are all adults here and should be able to take it when someone points out an error.
If chemtrails believers would get there facts and science right, then no one would be able to say anything. There is an amazing lack of knowledge about aviation among chemtrail activists, but when errors are made and then point out, they get all mad often.
Exactly. It boggles my mind that, whenever we point out that somthing is wrong, many of you go insane and rant and rave about how we are ruining the site or whatnot.
If your theory has a problem, it is time to back off and review that problem, and what its imapcts on the theory as a whole are. All I see many of you doing are sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "la, la, la, I cant hear you."
You should know that if you are able to spit out a theory without it being riddled with problems, only then can that theory be correct.
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Theh0661t
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Sat Apr 12, 2003 7:19 pm
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You guys have a point.
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Feelin Kocky
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Sat Apr 12, 2003 9:54 pm
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Whatever, stameyjd. I am still waiting for you to site your information. Please?
What do have a doctorate in? Don't get testy, but I am guessing it isn't atmospheric science.
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the professor
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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Sun Apr 13, 2003 3:48 am
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About all I need is to fly on the days that I consider to be spraying (though it's not as often as a couple of years ago) If I had the chance to be up there and see that these indeed were contrails long lasting and all I would see grid patterns that lasted hours and if I saw this I would have to join the darkside for say and come out against the chemtrail movement ass well. But until I get that chance I remain suspicious. |
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chemwatcher
Joined: 06 Apr 2003
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Sun Apr 13, 2003 9:44 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by stameyjd:
There tends to be an almost sadistic joy at insulting others on this website.
i have attempted to share real scientific principles that govern the realities behind the phenemenon we call contrails and chemtrails.
i have been ridiculed and laughed at. big deal! who cares. i am secure in my doctorate degree.
i call on the site moderators to stop this nonsense.
it you don't believe in chemtrails, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE! don't waste time insulting and using psuedo scientific pilot speak to try and humiliate the rest of us non-flyers.
here, i direct you attention to web sites written at a 4th grade level and they even have pictures, that explain earth's hydrological cycle and cloud formation!
i also include a nasa site that explains contrails, please notice that NASA explains contrails can last for hours,at most, not days.
i know what causes clouds and smog and i know a chemtrail when i see one. do you?
please enjoy the following sites!
http//:www.unesco.org/science/waterday2000/cycle.htm
http//:www.nasaexplores.com/search_nar_k_4php
I LOVE YA STAMEYID!!!
YEAH, BABY..WHOOO,HOOO, IM STILL DANCING IN MY LIVING ROOM ARTER READING YOUR COMMENTS TO THE BUNKSTERS,RIGHT ON BUDDY,THE REST OF US WHO ARE COCERNED FOR OUR HEALTH AND INTERESTED IN DISCUSSING ALL THE ATMOSPHEREIC CHANGES DUE TO CHEMS AND NOT THIS SEEMINGLY END ONSLAUGHT OF EGO POLISHING THROUGH ,BANTER,DEBATE,INSULTS ECT. QUESTION...WHY DONT THESE BUNKSTERS LEAVE AND GO WHERE THEIR OPPINIONS MATTER...ANSWER, BECAUSE THEY ARE'NT INTERESTED IN SOLVING ANY THING,JUST ENJOYING THE SELF-ELEVATING SENSATION OF BEING THE FLY IN THE OINMENT,STICK IN THE MUD,SWIMMING UP STREAM,EGO RUSH OF POWER THAT IS EXPERIANCED BY SOME PEOPLE WHEN THEY PERCIEVE A VICTORY, AGAINST INSURMOUNTABLE ODDS!!!THIS IS NOT A ATTEMP TO BE CONFRONT ATIONABLE,JUST AN OBSERVATION.AGAIN,PLEASE HEAR ME,"I SWEAR ON MY SOUL I HAVE NEVER ,EVER , SCEEN ANYTHING LIKE THESE ,STREAKY,WEBBY,COTTON CANDY,PARTICULATE DROPPING[ice crystals droping thousands of feet and staying stable as a solid???]TRAILS AND CLOUDS" ALSO , IM A PERSONAL TRAINER,HERBOLOGIST,HEALER,ECT,MY FIRST KNOWLAGE OF CHEMS CAME DUE TO THE DISSCUSION ABOUT ENDLESS COMPLAINTS OF ILLNESS,WEIRD SYMPTOMS,LINGERING SYMPTOMS, THAT JUST WOULDNT GO AWAY,FROM MY CLIENTS,FRIENDS AND FAMILY.AFTER TALKING TO A FRIEND ABOUT THESE COMPLAINTS AND HE TOLD ME OF CHEMS AND LIKE MOST PEOPLE,I DIDNT BELIEVE HIM AND TOLD HIM HE WAS CRAZY!...BUT THEN I STARTED TO WATCH THE SKYS, AND I COULDNT BELIEVE WHAT I WAS SEEING!!!!!, ALL THE SKY WRITING,GRIDS AND PATTERNS THAT WERE BEING SPRAYED. FOUR AND A HALF YEARS LATER, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY N0 DOUBT IN MY MIND,HEART OR SOUL.DONT BE STOPPED,DONT BE DISSUADED,KEEP SPREADING THE WORD,KEEP OPENING OUR MINDS AND DOORS....OUR FUTURE DEPENDS ON IT.PEACE! sorry about caps locks, i just get so excited some times,BLESS OUR WORLD......
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chemwatcher
Joined: 06 Apr 2003
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Sun Apr 13, 2003 10:20 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by NW41Heavy:
The reason why I personally am here is to give you an "insider's" perspective on this stuff. No one on here seems to have ever been in an airplane, much less have any experience in the front office of one. Everyone on here seems to profess such expertise and knowlege of the tracks of high altitude aircraft- which ever most pilots except for the privaleged few who fly turbine powered birds know little about. Flying up there is a little known world that people can look in from the outside and thhink they know alot about, but only know enough to figure out something to worry about. Especially those that tend toward believe in conspiracy theories.
I'm not here to make fun of people- it amazes me the ignorance occasionally about high altitude ops- I only will let loose my inate smart assness if someone tries to rag on me. PS.ASSNESS?
OH REALLY,WHAT DID MY SPELLING DO TO"LET LOOSE YOUR INATE ASSNESS OUT??MAYBE YOU JUST LIKE BEING CONTRARY.I HAVE A QUESTION? WHAT IS IT ABOUT FLYING AN AIRPLANE THAT MAKES YOU AN EXPERT ON CHEM-CONTRAILS AND OR BEING IN THE OFFICE AS YOU SAID, DO THEY STRAP YOU TO THE TAIL SECTION TO GET A BETTER VIEW?? OR DO YOU FOLLOW OTHER PLANES AROUND ALL DAY TO GET A GOOD LOOK? ALRIGHT WE SHOULDNT BE SMARTASSES HERE,BUT SERIOUSLY WHAT IS IT ABOUT YOUR JOB,THAT MAKES YOU SOOOOO.... SURE,THAT IN MY 46 YEARS OF LIVING AND LOOKING AT THIS WORLD,AND OTHERS LIKE ME,WE DONT KNOW WHAT WE'VE SCEEN IN THE PAST,AND ARE SEEING NOW!!
A more concise defition for you: Every weather action is a result of an exchange of heat as first caused by the sun. The variations of water vapor through this exchange in heat in our atmosphere is what we know as weather.
NO KIDDING AND THAT SAME THERMAL CHANGE THROUGH SOLAR HEATING EFFECT IS THE VERY REASON WHY CONS CANT SUSSPEND LIKE YOU SAY THEY DO,BUT I'VE NEVER SEE!
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PHXPilot
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Sun Apr 13, 2003 10:44 pm
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Will you please quit with the caps-lock?!?!
And quit imbedding your replies inside quotes.
WHAT IS IT ABOUT FLYING AN AIRPLANE THAT MAKES YOU AN EXPERT ON CHEM-CONTRAILS
Due to the fact that we need to know about the atmosphere in which we fly, we usually know quite a bit more about weather systems than say....a carpenter. |
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NW41Heavy
Joined: 28 Mar 2003
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Sun Apr 13, 2003 10:53 pm
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Ok chemwatcher- If ice crystals can't stay in the air- then what the heck are cirrus clouds, eh?
I see aircraft producing contrails (and in many cases what you would call a chemtrail) a from alot closer than you do- hence one reason for it.
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msu94
Joined: 16 Feb 2002
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Mon Apr 14, 2003 12:08 am
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Yes I am too interesting in your assertion that ice crystals can not exist in the atmosphere
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PHXPilot
Joined: 05 Jan 2003
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Mon Apr 14, 2003 12:11 am
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Sign me up as well for the "How cirrus clouds work in Chemwatchers world " seminar. |
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Feelin Kocky
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Mon Apr 14, 2003 12:24 am
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Yes, as a met. I'd really like to know what stuff I learned in college was actually wrong. 
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