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Jeanie
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Big Joe: That was really nice of you sticking up for me, thanks pal. Jeanie
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Jeanie on 04-26-2003] |
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PacerLJ35
Joined: 18 Apr 2002
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Location: Millbrook, AL, USA |
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Sun Apr 27, 2003 4:21 am
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Uh, I think we're all ignoring one basic fact: C-130s aren't high-altitude cruisers. They typically cruise from FL180 to about FL230. Unless it's a newer C-130J...they can cruise up into the 30's. But the bulk of USAF C-130s are C-130E, C-130H1 and C-130H2 models.
My next assignment is flying C-130s, so I've taken the time to study them a bit, and I've got plenty of friends in the Herk community flying them now. E model Herks can't climb hardly at all above the mid-20s. H1s, H2s and H3s can, but they can't carry a decent load and make it very high unless the air is around ISA -10 or so.
The bottom line is that turboprops simply aren't very efficient at high altitudes (ie above 25,000 feet). And I have yet to see a chemtrail activist-provided photo showing anything closely resembling a C-130 leaving a "chemtrail". Nearly every photo I've seen yet so far of alleged "chemsprayers" has been some variant of a commercial airliner (Boeing 737/747/757/767/777, Airbus A300/310/319/320, etc).
If C-130s are the new "culprit of the month", then show me a photo of one leaving a chemtrail. |
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ChemCaptain
Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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Location: United States |
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Sun Apr 27, 2003 9:19 am
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Hey Con_man, 1st off thanks for being a little more sensible (not flameing non-believers). I am a non-believer, so people who believe in chemtrails may not believe what I say when I am talking about trails.
I'll answer both your statements.
1st, the X-logo is actually propeller, since that squad flies C-130s (that use props), it makes sense in my opinion.
Many people see the X-pattern as something of importance denoting formation flying or such (or some intended pattern? ), but I believe it is simply a case where as aircraft are going to cross paths occasionally with so many planes in the sky. Te X patterns may look uniform, but air traffic control is precise and uniform.
I don't think the chemtrail believers are at all wrong when they see "patterns" in the sky, but it is because of a control system that this is the case.
2nd photo-
Well, "trails" are everywhere there is highlevel aircraft Con_Man, not at all time, It makes sense they would be above an airport, many airports have VORs that are part of the highway in the sky.
Sorry of that made me sound too condesending, wasn't my intention, just tryin' to clear it up for ya.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by ChemCaptain on 04-27-2003] |
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CONSPIRACY_MAN
Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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Location: Canberra Australia |
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Sun Apr 27, 2003 9:41 am
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yeh i still dont know about photo number 2
we have a few airports in australia
we dont seem to have those trails
near our airports.
They sky is ussally crystal clear blue
many commerical air liners fly over my house and have never left any trails that look like those ones. |
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CONSPIRACY_MAN
Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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Location: Canberra Australia |
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Sun Apr 27, 2003 10:09 am
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Also i found this photo that suppose to date back to WW2. http://www.457thbombgroup.org/colpic.jpg
im not certain if its genuine. |
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ChemCaptain
Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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Location: United States |
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Sun Apr 27, 2003 12:39 pm
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Is there a lot of highway in the sky enroute traffic over australia? Contrails are created at a very high altutude, from traffic just passing by (not landing in a nearby area).
About the WW2 pic, don't know. |
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CONSPIRACY_MAN
Joined: 23 Apr 2003
Posts: 190
Location: Canberra Australia |
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Sun Apr 27, 2003 12:54 pm
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More info on The C-130
Performance.
Max. cruising speed
348 kt / 645 km/h
Econ. cruising speed
39 kt / 628 km/h
Stalling speed
100 kt /185 km/h
Max. rate of climb at sea level
640 m/min / 2100 ft/min
Time to 6,100 m
12 min
Cruising altitude
28,000 ft / 8,535 m
Service ceiling at 66,680 kg AUW*
30,560 ft / 9,315 m
Service ceiling, OEI, at 66,680 kg AUW
22,820 ft / 6,955 m
Takeoff run
3,290 ft / 1,003 m
Takeoff run to 15 m
4,700 ft / 1,433 m
Takeoff run using max. effort procedures
1800 ft / 549 m
Landing from 15 m at 58,967 kg AUW
2,550 ft / 777 m
Landing run at 58,967 kg AUW
1,400 ft / 427 m
Range with 18,144 kg payload and Mil-C-5011A reserves
2,835 n miles / 5,250 km
Propulsion Type: Allison T56-A15 Turboprop
External Dimensions.
Wing span
132.6 ft / 40.41 m
Wing aspect ratio
10.1
Length overall
97.75 ft / 29.79 m
Height overall
38.8 ft / 11.84 m
Tailplane span
52.7 ft / 16.05 m
Wheel track
14.25 ft / 4.34 m
Propeller diameter
13.5 ft / 4.11 m
Wing area (gross)
1,745 ft2/ 162.12 m2
Also 910th Airlift Wing has six Modular Aerial Spray Systems (MASS) and four aircraft modified to accept the MAAS. Each MASS has a 2,000 gallon capacity and flow rate are set at 232 gallons per minute.
Total spray-on time for 2,000 gallons lasts about 8 minutes and 30 seconds. |
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CONSPIRACY_MAN
Joined: 23 Apr 2003
Posts: 190
Location: Canberra Australia |
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Sun Apr 27, 2003 1:00 pm
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Is there a lot of highway in the sky enroute traffic over australia?
No not really in canberra since we dont have a international airport.
But there is in the big citys like brisbane & sydney i droven past these airports many times as well and havent seen these Trails like you get in over the airports in america. |
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