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Molliani
Joined: 16 Mar 2001
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 Wed Dec 11, 2002 7:59 pm
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After 9 months the Drought thread gave birth ..... mercy, mercy me.
Moving the Drought thread to the "Ecology Forum" (mercy,mercy me} is a sham.
While it's a little odoriferous around here we can't place the entire blame on the shallots.
Speak up board members.
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Chem11
Joined: 21 Apr 2001
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Thu Dec 12, 2002 3:39 am
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I have no problem setting a few things straight.
1. Thermit graciously offered to turn this forum into a self-governing co-op.
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000049.html
Out of almost 1200 members, ten saw fit to even repsond to the post. So much easier to let someone else do the heavy lifting and take the heat when an unpopular decision is made. You don't like the way things always go around here? Well, you had your chance to make a difference and you blew it off. Anyone who opposed or shrugged their shoulders when the self-governing forum issue was raised has no right to bitch about a single thing that happens on this site from that point forward.
2. Murari Lal, chief scientific officer at the Centre for Atmospheric Sciences in New Delhi, told the Press Trust of India that "The injection of large amounts of greenhouse gases and aerosols over Afghanistan, Pakistan and Arabian Sea by US fighter planes during the Afghanistan war in the upper troposphere and lower stratosphere contributed to significantly deficient rainfall over north-west and central India."
http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=218964
3. If Larry Lawson spent a little more time actually investigating the reality of the situation and a little less time quoting from William Thomas' investigations (and then turning around and calling him a 'shill') he could have quickly and completely proven his case to Lulu. Instead, he rants and froths like a rabid southern baptist preacher with alzheimers, disrupting other people's threads with his incessant heel-nipping and exemplification of every trait that legitimate researchers and activists try to avoid.
In my opinion, that's why his thread was moved. The messenger, not the message.
Think that's biased or unfair? Please refer to point #1.
There's probably more than a few people that will be surprised that I'm not taking the opportunity to rip Lulu up one side and down the other for her recent decision (and I have to admit the temptation exists).
But the fact is, if you want respect you either have to treat others with respect and/or you have to earn it.
If hitech had managed to accomplish either of these tasks on this forum, I doubt he would be in the position he finds himself in now.
Perhaps there are those who stridently disagree with what I'm saying. Outstanding. My suggestion is to get your apathetic rear-ends back to the self-governing forum thread and hope Thermit hasn't closed the door on that very unique and generous offer. |
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Deborah
Joined: 30 Jul 2000
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Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:54 am
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Salient point:
....."The injection of large amounts of greenhouse gases and aerosols over Afghanistan, Pakistan and Arabian Sea by U.S. fighter planes during the Afghanistan War in the upper troposphere and lower stratosphere contributed to significantly deficient rainfall over northwest and central India....."
Not a sexy enough observation, I guess, to merit the level of sustained attention so desperately needed at this late date.
Consider this: The stratosphere is normally very dry compared to the troposphere where most of what we refer to as weather takes place.
Thanks to the nearly-continuous injection, by all types of aircraft, of soot, water vapor, NOx, SO2, CO2 and god-knows-what conglomeration of particulate matter into the lower stratosphere [across the tropopause], we now have an increasing presence of aviation cirrus in the lower stratosphere.
Call it aerosol, call it pollution, call it whatever you like.
The point is, IT SHOULDN'T BE THERE, as the stratosphere does not NORMALLY support cloud formation, and certainly does not normally support the kind of MESS we are observing at that altitude over the last 3-4 years.
There is too much water vapor and too much soot/particulate matter getting into what was once a relatively dry, pristine region of the atmosphere.
If this fact, in and of itself, is not enough to elicit serious concern, I don't know what WILL.
Does it ever occur to anyone that THIS is what the so-called debunkers and their ilk have been working overtime all these years to continually generate confusion about?
I've been continuously observing the trails situation from an entirely different region for six weeks now and it has been a very interesting experience, indeed. No northeastern surface pollution to muddy the waters.
It is clearer to me by the day that we have a serious problem at lower-stratospheric level - and that this is, in fact, affecting global hydrology patterns not to mention atmospheric circulation generally.
**Whatever** the "special aircraft" are up to with their "special emissions", we are NOT going to be given the truth about it, any more than we are being given the STRAIGHT TRUTH regarding the status of our lower stratosphere, including, and especially, the stratospheric O3 situation at northern mid-latitudes.
Fooey.
End of rant.
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Thanks, Chem11, for consistently spotlighting some very important points. |
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mark sky
Joined: 14 Oct 2000
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Thu Dec 12, 2002 8:32 am
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Well Chem 11
i do what i can in the time left after
i pay the bills
go to meetings on my dime
and other stuff
i don't know about other folks
moderation on the other hand
does not move threads unless they get way out of hand
certainly the case could be made that a bunch
of worthless byte s
have been placed here |
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mark sky
Joined: 14 Oct 2000
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Thu Dec 12, 2002 8:59 am
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and one can never fault Deborahs (whats up with the posting system ability here? three edits and yet what i wrote is not what prints) unrelenting search
reports are that for a year or two before
the current invasion of Afganistan to drought
and assssssso CIAted chemtrailZ had begun
and of course the "war" pictures displayed
it all very well in circles above
it become more clear
as the layers of murk are pulled into the light
the media are phase one
top down
the wink amoung administrators
perhaps you noticed
maybe not
[Edited 2 times, lastly by mark sky on 12-12-2002] |
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hitech_46253
Joined: 16 May 2001
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Location: Indianapolis, IN U.S. |
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Thu Dec 12, 2002 3:43 pm
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chem11 you can PRETEND you're better than anybody else here the fact is you don't ALWAYS exhibit 'respect' to others in your posts. The FACT also is that satellite photos were cutoff from Afghanistan for the very REASON that we could see the chemtrailing there CAUSING the drought! IT certainly wasn't because the resolution showed any military maneuvering on the ground!
I draw attention to the huge volume of posts that 10 of us or whoever built that thread and I think it speaks VOLUMBES for what the globalists are getting out of this CHEMTRAIL program!
Funny how most of the so-called moderators here seem to be against the chemtrail information itself eh? Information MANAGEMENT??
As for Will Thomas, it doesn't surprise me to find many SHILLs placed in early positions to CONTROL the information later.
Examples are Chris Ruddy and Joey Farah of LieMax.com and WND who pretended to be our buddies reporting on the Chinese and Klinton only to be silent while Bush boy destroys this country. ZIONIST shills to the end!
I'm happy to expose anybody who turns out to not be what they claim. |
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theseeker
Joined: 25 Jul 2000
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Location: Damnit...I'm a doctor jim |
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Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:49 pm
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risking agreeing with chem I must, you (larry,mark) are big whiners, you had your chance to govern this forum...mark sky posting "move the thread back" in every single forum here is pretty damn childish...considering the source I'm not surprised though...larry contrails are not causing drought and if chemtrails existed they wouldn't be doing it either...my van is not causing drought and when you fart larry it may be bad...but even that's not causing drought...nature is causing drought...and if it's dry where you live...move...
FYI for environmental whackos
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David
Joined: 20 Oct 2000
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Fri Dec 13, 2002 12:14 am
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quote:
...my van is not causing drought
My gawd, what brilliant post seeker. Self educated? |
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Chem11
Joined: 21 Apr 2001
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Fri Dec 13, 2002 2:56 am
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quote:
contrails are not causing drought and if chemtrails existed they wouldn't be doing it either
Erm... how can you claim something that doesn't exist wouldn't do something?
Kind of like saying Santa Claus, if he existed, wouldn't give presents to kids.
Of course, the answer is obvious.
Chemtrails *can't* exist (and even if they did), they *couldn't* cause drought because this reality would threaten theseeker's (and every other skeptic's) deeply-held belief that they are somehow in control and that everything's okay.
Who you gonna believe? Theseeker or the CSO at the Centre for Atmospheric Studies?
I'm going keep posting this until even Deborah gets tired of hearing it:
"The injection of large amounts of greenhouse gases and aerosols over Afghanistan, Pakistan and Arabian Sea by US fighter planes during the Afghanistan war in the upper troposphere and lower stratosphere contributed to significantly deficient rainfall over north-west and central India."
This is from an unbiased and respected atmospheric science foundation. Not some government or aerospace industry stooge.
Now, getting back to Larry and his wild-assed finger-pointings:
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As for Will Thomas, it doesn't surprise me to find many SHILLs placed in early positions to CONTROL the information later... I'm happy to expose anybody who turns out to not be what they claim.
Fair enough. Expose him. Post your proof that he was 'placed' in an early postion to 'control' information later.
Anyone can make a baseless, slanderous accusation. John Reynold's has made it a virtual art form. The last thing this issue needs is someone like JR on our team.
[Edited 2 times, lastly by Chem11 on 12-12-2002] |
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theseeker
Joined: 25 Jul 2000
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Location: Damnit...I'm a doctor jim |
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Fri Dec 13, 2002 4:11 am
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believe...that's a dirty word now~a~days...
chem, you might look up the definition of
"contributed" and "caused"....I'm fairly certain they are 2 different things....once you realize this you'll understand the crux of your argument is rather weak...and not much more than petty insinuation...
and since you've lost what's left of your sense of humor...I won't comment on the rhetorical portion of your post...
read FYI for environmental whackos....
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mark sky
Joined: 14 Oct 2000
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Fri Dec 13, 2002 6:02 am
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well becomeing to "my point"
this thread is now a debate"
does it belong to "ecology" anymore |
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mark sky
Joined: 14 Oct 2000
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Fri Dec 13, 2002 6:12 am
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The livign Spirit
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hitech_46253
Joined: 16 May 2001
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Location: Indianapolis, IN U.S. |
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Fri Dec 13, 2002 7:29 am
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Again and again and AGAIN... the government has ADMITTED spraying for various programs. Again there is an air group squadron for WEATHER SUPPORT. The air force's own website lists drought and other modification as GOALS, they just want people like 'theseeker' and others to say it's not here yet.
Sorry Charlie! It's HERE! It doesn't take too much observation to see CAUSE AND EFFECT and the CAUSE is CHEMTRAILS NOT 'nature.'
Polymer fibers ARE being mixed into the clouds regularly and DO mitigate rainfall. Too many people have noted this even if it does get lost in this sea of compartmentalization and smoke and mirror people here at this site. Those perpetrating these crimes WILL PAY in the end when their final judgment is handed down. I eagerly await that day and pray I'm not counted among them. Those destroyers of the earth. God's already got some harsh words for these 'people.'
Let's see you non-believers take that SMALLPOX SHOT!!!
Oh yeah, the government has your best interests at heart.... NOT!!
Vaccines filled with HIV or cancer viruses or WORSE, grind up our kids in a phony 'war on terrorism' when Poppy Bush supported Usama as his business partner. Same with Hussein. Terminator seeds, corrupt courts, DISARMING YOU every chance they get, bringing in FOREIGN troops for the final 'kill.'
Do you think they forgot to cut your water off?? Nope! Worked too well in Afghanistan and now in the states. Hope you enjoy STARVING in the FEMA camps Ashcrack and his fellow NAZI's are setting up for ya!
Understand these globalists are very calculating EVIL people and they have a special agenda to reduce large numbers of people in short order.
And they don't mind paying a few zeebs to keep the smoke screens up!
It'll cost ya BIG TIME in the END! |
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Jeanie
Joined: 18 Nov 2001
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Fri Dec 13, 2002 1:04 pm
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God's already got some harsh words for these 'people"
What are those word's you are thinking of ?
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hitech_46253
Joined: 16 May 2001
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Fri Dec 13, 2002 2:28 pm
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Jeanie, what does He say in revelations about those 'destroyers of the earth'??
And those who consider not the work of His hands?
I'm not talking ecologists or greens here as they are useful idiot tools of the socialists who are doing more to destroy the earth than any 'commercial' enterprise. |
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