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Billy Joe McAllister
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Hey Larry,
Let me take off the debunker hat for a moment and talk to you person to person...Ok?
Let's analyze this concept for a moment. How much of this stuff do you suppose they would need to spray to form what you say is a typical chemtrail (huge voluminous white trails extending 100s of miles). How much material do you think this would take...how many gallons? How often do they spray per day? How many airplanes would need to be modified to spray nationwide, EVERY day of the year? What do you suppose the costs of such an operation would be? And finally, what are the end results? People haven't been getting any more sick than usual. Weather hasn't changed all that much from year to year. That would be an incredible amount of cash (we're talking 100s of billions) for such non-results, wouldn't it Larry?
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the professor
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Thu Feb 20, 2003 5:05 am
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HOW FAR DO YOU THINK YOU CAN STRECH A GALLON OF WATER? |
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Billy Joe McAllister
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Thu Feb 20, 2003 9:01 am
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Not Far...
If you cant see the photo, then click on the link;
Link
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hitech_46253
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Thu Feb 20, 2003 4:22 pm
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I agree with you Billy, let's use our minds. I've witnessed with others a large cloud hit by a single chemtrail here in Indiana. The trail was literally TURNED ON just before the plane hit the cloud and then off just after exiting. We pulled over to watch what would happen. 15 minutes later, that cloud had broken up into tiny bits. It was VERY revealing. I witness this almost daily now using satellite shots. I also took photos of a nasty looking thunderstorm literally NEUTRALIZED by chemtrail spraying. Most people have been CONDITIONED to ignore the dynamics of what's going on above them. I stopped and took photos:
Death of a rainstorm Photo #1 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LLNews/message/200
Death of a rainstorm Photo #2
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LLNews/message/202
Death of a rainstorm Photo #3 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LLNews/message/201
Death of a rainstorm Photo #4 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LLNews/message/203
And I'm sure the debunksters will argue about these to death also. The dynamics HAVE CHANGED since late 1998. An unmolested storm front will have the dark gray bumpy appearance of cumulonimbus clouds. These photos showed something NEW to me at that time. The bumpy texture was being MODIFIED into a 'wavy' appearance looking much like a lake in the sky.
You mention the huge amount of planes, volume of polymer material, personell etc. Much of the NAZI agenda proceeding in our government and others in the world is proceeding because of COMPARTMENTALIZATION. Everybody takes their orders or they are replaced. And it's getting harder to get a job these days. Polymers are produced using OIL. Something these goons CONTROL. Further, cost is not an issue to them when you understand the fraudulent nature of the Federal Reserve and those who PRINT the money out of nothing. Then they tax us to death on that and spend it as THEY please.
Did you hear that Lockheed just got a contract for 500 MORE TANKER CRAFT!???
As for how much these can carry, whatever the belly capacity of a standard tanker is what I'd guess they're using. I see them make one pass across the sky STARTING THEN STOPPING the spray. It's not like they're changing altitude, they're targeting particular areas. This can also be seen using satellite photos.
Again, using SIMPLE OBSERVATION, you can see the changes in developing thunderheads. You can literally see them dissolved into a homogenous 'misty' appearance across the sky.
You're right, let's use our heads!
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Billy Joe McAllister
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Fri Feb 21, 2003 12:19 am
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LOL, thanks for the laugh, Larry! I especially like the part about molesting clouds. Now that's a new one!
Ok now, so let's say they are using these polymer fibers to absorb rain as you say...(Laughing as I type)..Ok...They fly into a developing cloud and inject this stuff that sorta works like a tampon for clouds, right? Let me just get what you are saying straight here. TPTB want to cause droughts and dry up the atmosphere????  ROTFLMAO!
Well, ok, (resuming my composure) how heavy does a sponge get when it absorbs water? When water droplets get large enough in the atmosphere, what happens to them Larry? They fall as rain don't they? If your theory is true then the sky should be raining tampons! BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA...
Ahhhh this is too much. You're killing me Larr.....Entertaining as hell though. |
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the professor
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Fri Feb 21, 2003 12:38 am
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To refute on how far you can spray a gallon of water that picture does not comply.
You can stream it with with small jetting
and go for miles, (considering your flying
fast you can cover a longer area) Ever here
of surfactant? It makes water more
penetrable, usually used for hazardous waste
removal where the water is needed. The
point I'm trying to make is it all depends
on your method of dispersal. Once again you
people like to ignore the fact that we have
methods of drying clouds up as well as cloud
seeding. Look up the dynogel patents, hell the media even covered stories of how they
plan to control hurricanes, I've seen the
footage myself, although the plane had
markings. |
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Billy Joe McAllister
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Fri Feb 21, 2003 2:06 am
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Well let me explain the point of that picture a little bit better professor. Let's approach this scientifically;
Let's say I wanted to simulate a huge voluminous contrail (the type you mistake for chemtrails) using water. The question is; How much water would this take?
As you can see by the photo, this fire fighting aircraft, simulates the look of a contrail at altitude....but in doing so, pretty much dumps it's entire tank over a relatively short burst. So the answer to your question is that, in order to simulate the look of a normal contrail over hundreds of miles, it would take a lake's worth of water...Even the enormous amount you see being dumped in the photo, does not go a long way.
Now you can stream it out in a fine mist.....but that would be absolutely invisible....UNLESS, you were high enough so that the air was cold enough where water formed ice crystals (which reflect sunlight more than a small amount of liquid water vapor ever could). But why spend all that money on jet fuel and modified tanker aircraft to get it to altitude to spray a tiny amount of water out the back for the purposes of creating something that looked like contrails when you've got PERFECTLY GOOD ENGINES DOING IT FOR YOU, and no modifications to the aircraft would be necessary!!!!!!??
LOL….Your arguments are too easy.
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Billy Joe McAllister
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Fri Feb 21, 2003 2:34 am
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Now as for the WX mod theory, I do believe that the weather has been modified in the past and that we do have this technology. But it's usually for the purposes of creating rain, rather than drying it up! It's called cloud seeding. They've been doing it for years.
But certainly, if you spray any water absorbing material into the atmosphere, like dynogel, well...it's just going to get heavy and rain back to Earth. We'd notice a bunch of globs of "stuff" stuck to our cars and houses, everywhere. In addition the photos at Larry's site show the normal process of dissipation that storms go through...And there was rain, if you'll look at the photos, only it did not reach the ground. That's called virga. Sometimes the atmosphere is just so dry that the liquid moisture is absorbed into the atmosphere before it reaches ground. This is a common sight driving through the desert.
I don't think "chemtrails" would be the preferred avenue of weather modification anyway. Besides being an extremely expensive program, it would be inefficient. I think a more efficient method is being explored through electrical transmissions ..ala Dr. Bernard Eastlund;
http://www.eastlundscience.com/currentd.html
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the professor
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Fri Feb 21, 2003 5:15 am
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Hey Billy you ever use a high pressure washer? Look at what you can do with
two gallons, change the jetting even
lower for regulations. My arguements
are easy, your responses are twisted
not to mention your illogical. |
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the professor
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Fri Feb 21, 2003 5:17 am
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And to think I'm keeping it simple just
incase it sinks in to your noggin. |
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the professor
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Fri Feb 21, 2003 5:20 am
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1 more quick one here. you say virga?
If the atmosphere is dry enough to
soak up moisture you can't get miles
long contrails that spread into cloud
cover. You actually think people will
buy this contradiction? |
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Feelin Kocky
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Fri Feb 21, 2003 8:03 am
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>>If the atmosphere is dry enough to
soak up moisture you can't get miles
long contrails that spread into cloud
cover. You actually think people will
buy this contradiction?<<
When air descends, whether it is dry or moist, it warms adiabatically (about 9.8 deg C per 1000m) and as it does, it's capacity to hold water increases (water capacity doubles with 18 deg F increase in Temp). So when the lower atmosphere is dry, we often see Virga. If contrails form where the air is descending, they will evaporate too. So there is no contradition.
F.K.
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Billy Joe McAllister
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Fri Feb 21, 2003 3:38 pm
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Thanks for backing me up there FK! You've got solid facts there but sadly, I doubt your average chemtrail enthusiast will pay much attention to them. 
One experiment I'd like the good professor to do, is to spray a power washer at 30,000 feet and see how much of that is visible from the ground....Well, anyway... instead of paying the bucks, can't you see that what I'm saying is true, without having to go through that experiment? I mean, 30,000 feet is a little bit over 5 ½ miles away. How well do you think you’ll be able to see a thin stream…heck, even a fire hose volume stream of water from that distance? How quickly would you suppose a fire hose volume of water would drain a 10,000 gallon tank, by the way?
Let me save you some smoking brain cells, professor and tell you right now that you won't be able to see such a thin stream from that distance. And a power washer is a continuous flow of water from the garden hose, btw, only mixing with soap chemical...so that's a bad analogy. You probably use more gallons than you would think over the course of washing a car.
To create the kind of visibility (with liquid water) that we would need to simulate the way a normal contrail looks, we'd essentially need a dump of about the volume you see from that fire fighting tanker. I mean, that's not illogical, that's just the physical reality that you can see from the photo. It's going to take a lake of water at altitude to simulate the appearance of a contrail over the many miles we are talking about here….and that‘s no exaggeration.
Jet engines do it perfectly....through adiabatic (there's that word again) cooling of water vapor due to expansion, that leaves the engine along with condensation nuclei. The liquid water in the exhaust goes directly from vapor state to crystal, bypassing the liquid state altogether in a process called sublimation...and the ice crystals that form, unlike water vapor, are highly reflective and visible.
Depending upon how cold the atmosphere is that the jet is flying through (cold air holds less moisture than warmer) the addition of other super cooled moisture, saturates the air and visible ice crystals form.
This is a far better method of simulating a contrail...than spraying water or anything else out the back of an airplane...In fact it IS a contrail! Engines make them beautifully without any help from internal chemical tanks that could only produce short bursts at altitude. |
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hitech_46253
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Fri Feb 21, 2003 5:03 pm
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No April showers… no May flowers… Denver could be almost out of drinking water by spring http://www.insidedenver.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_1754616,00.html
Denver Water reservoir levels could fall to 20 percent of normal by April 2004 unless the region's residents step up conservation efforts this summer. Last spring, Denver's reservoirs stood at 79 percent full. They're expected to drop to 40 percent by April 1 of this year. "We drew down half our storage supplies last year," said Andrew Wallach, a Denver Water Board member.
Denver May Be Almost Out Of Drinking Water By Spring http://www.insidedenver.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_1754616,00.html
Lake Powell at lowest point since its filling http://arizonarepublic.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=viewThis&etMailToID=1336246017
MYSTERY CLOUDS http://www.infowars.com/print_weathermod.htm
Minneapolis Star Tribune Weather Report Admits Radar Picking up Mile-Long Contrails Produced During Military exercises
Minneapolis Star Tribune, February 15
Recently our new radar technology at WCCO-TV and government NEXRAD radar have detected a baffling phenomenon: Skies were crystal clear, yet the radar screen was scribbled with 200-mile-long contrails. The most likely explanation may be "chaff," a release of tiny particles, often used in Air Force military exercises. We have not been able to confirm this, though. In the last 10 days we've tracked these mystery clouds on three or four days, not just here, but also in Boston and south Florida. As soon as we learn more, we'll pass it on to you. Mobile My-Cast founder Paul Douglas is the WCCO-TV 4WarnSTorm Team's chief meteorologist.
MILITARY!! Debunksters TAKE A HIKE! Quit helping these globalist SCUM murder this planet! |
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Billy Joe McAllister
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Sat Feb 22, 2003 1:10 am
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quote:
ARY!! Debunksters TAKE A HIKE! Quit helping these globalist SCUM murder this planet!
So these globalist SCUM are trying to dry this planet up........ with giant tampons? Is that your theory?
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