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suckingeggs
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CONspiracy 10 problems with chemtrails
 Mon Jun 09, 2003 12:00 pm
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What is blocking chemtrail activism and mass public and political debate leading to debate, action and solutions?
Well, firstly all so called officialdom flatly denies that they exist. However, I can prove that they do and so can you.
Trevor James Constable is a leading light in weather manipulation and follows in the footsteps of Einstein and Wilhelm Reich in etheric technologies. All living things have an etheric field, a luminescent energy around their bodies, including you. Here is how to prove it. Put your hand up against a dark background and after a few seconds you will see a faint white shadow round the tips of your fingers. Next look at a group of trees and you will see the same type of shadow against the skies background. Now unbelievably you can use this energy to make clouds disappear. Choose a small cloud first, start scanning it with your eyes from left to right, and up and down, focus on breaking the cloud up with your mind. It will seem to disappear as you focus, re adjust your eyes and keep the process up. WOW, you have just made your first cloud disappear. Show all your friends your new magical powers. This is etheric FREE energy...more later. This will work on all clouds except chemtrails. Thus, Proving chemtrails exist. No conspiracy they exist.
Ten problems with discovering chemtrails.
Problem 1) You wake up one day and notice streams of lines formed by jets high up in the atmosphere. You wake up the next day and once again, the
ubiquitous lines are there. You notice crosses, grids and bends. You think to yourself that is not normal. Then you notice day after day that the sky
is always a whiteout (unless cumulus clouds are present), yet when you woke at six in the morning you had a blue sky as you have been accustomed to all
your life. By the time, you arrive at work the sun is hidden by what you could only describe as a fuzzy haze. Perhaps you ask some friends have they
noticed anything odd and they usually look at you blankly. Therefore, you go to the internet and after a while discover the term chemtrails. From that
moment on your life changes.
Problem 2) The name CHEMTRAILS coined by Will Thomas is a starting point. Ha ha you think I have discovered what is happening. You start to investigate, and your stomach hits the floor, you cannot believe your eyes. White NATO jets are deliberately spraying chemicals such as barium and aluminium. Why? You ask yourself. Again, why would our politicians condone such madness? Your stomach hits the floor again as you discover the effect of the toxins on all
planet life. You start to ask your friends, do you know what those white lines are in the sky "yeah their jet trails" some may even tell you they are
contrails, you instantly start to tell them, well actually, they are chemtrails, and contrails dissipate after a few seconds. You are then asked to explain what chemtrails are. As you discover your friends and family turn off and ignore what you are saying as they mutter under their breath, have you been on Prozac?
At this point most people give up and think to themselves, yeah its just normal air traffic and go back to the sheeple although always at the back of
your mind you know something is wrong.
Some however, decide to carry out some more research.
Problem 3) Knowing that you are not on any prescribed or illicit drugs you pursue your research, you discover other sites and groups of people who have
seen and heard about chemtrails. You pluck up the courage to ask questions about your new subject and then it starts to get really complicated, no one
can tell you exactly why chemtrails are being sprayed, a multitude of theories start to come into your new world view. "Its to save the planet" some say, "it's mind control" shout others, "its a silly old conspiracy" "it's a mass population cull" "its about the control of water" or "its aliens" etc.
At this point if you try to explain to family and friends and they tell you, it is becoming an obsession and there are many more things in life much more
important than chemtrails. You go back to the sheeple with a fuddled mind.
Some intrepid explorers continue and start to take a more direct approach.
Problem 4) You start to ask questions of those who you think would be knowledgeable "sorry it is not part of our current activism" Greenpeace, "we
are looking at it" The Green Party "What are you a mad man" the media. Moreover, you hit those who know the term but do not want to know "it's a
conspiracy, go back to work" Baaaa.
Problem 5) The debunkers: By the tone of your enquires and your genuine interest to find the underlying cause of the problem you start to send out
vibes which are intercepted by the professionals. a pilot may take you under his wing and explain it is just a conspiracy "I have been flying for twenty
years and it is just down to the amount of air traffic these day old buddy" or " Nah! It is just plain old contrails, nothing to worry about me old
friend" You, thinking that it cannot be that simple. start to hit these people with some facts " But Will Thomas and Jeff Rense say this and that
etc" Then you hit professional debunker mode as you progress your information " Rense, Thomas don't be a fool they are just playing on your
naivety (ed's note: this is classic projection on behalf of the paid debunkers Jay Reynolds resident debunker at www.chemtrailcentral.com alleged
agent http://worldzone.net/science/reality2u30/threats.html et al) they want to sell you books and videos. Once you have made contact with a professional
debunker and you overcome the flight explorer scenario, look at these pictures from 1945, this professional said this, look at this scientific report. Jay Reynolds is also disputing Will Thomas on barium and aluminium tests found in chemtrails. Remember your etheric vision does not work on chemicals.
Breaks 1) At this point your get a break. Someone leaks some new information an insider blows the whistle on the whole chemtrail project. You discover
the term geoengineering. You hope that with this new scientific term and information you can retrace your steps, go back to the media organise
political action get something done. Your family and friends will forgive you for your obsession, you were right all the time. You were the smart one
they should have listened. Momentarily forgetting about the debunkers and how hard it is to prove leaked information without an actual contact name
and address. The big guns are rolled out, Will Thomas debunks the whole article, and you sink down into depression and wonder if 2 billion are
actually going to die. And piece by piece, the story is rubbished. Your hero steps in and they debunk the story.
You have already put the information out there expecting mass action to stop the madness. Now association rubbishes you. At this point, you should really
give up and join the herd.
Problem 6) Other serious researchers and thinkers start to help you, they have seen the debunker attacks coming for miles they know that some very
sincere people just give up under the torrent of debunker abuse. They point you to some sound evidence and to Congressman Dennis Kucinich and Bill
HR 2977. There it is in black and white chemtrails next to some very exotic weapons and the Star (t) Wars ( my (t) for reality check) programme. Only
to discover that in the amended bill all terms relating to exotic weaponry have been removed including chemtrails. At this point, you understand that
government do not want you to know what they are up to and will not let it out to the public.
Problem 7) Having realised that you cannot find a political solution to the problem, you wonder what direct action you can take? Suddenly a new doorway
opens up; your research has led you to a pseudo scientist called Don Croft. A man who has adapted a device from a machine called a cloud buster (Wilhelm
Reich) and is using it to destroy chemtrails. Although highly sceptical, you start to look at the information and your first instincts are what a load of
rubbish, this person has cobbled together some copper tubes, a bucket, some resin a few crystals and metal shavings from machine shop floors and calls
it a chembuster. The whole contraption can be put together for less that £30.00 pounds. Your brain catches hold of the beauty of the idea and you
inwardly laugh at a cheap device that could beat a billion dollar operation. Alas, you discover that Mr Croft and his wife are using similar so-called
orgone technologies to thwart mind control created by HAARP and GEWN towers. They are also using physics and are being helped by so called good alien
entities; they have graphic adventures, which could only be described as science fiction. You file it into the nutty professor bin and move on. How
ludicrous!
Problem 7) Once you move into the star (t) wars arena you come face to face with political lies and deceit. You learn about black projects, mind
control, secret governments, illuminati, UFO's and real aliens. Then you discover links from the last 50 years. Nazi scientist given new identities,
the Bush family connections with Hitler, you can trace the family genealogy all the way back to Edward the 1st. How Betchtel is a company, we should
all have deep concerns about. Why did they never actual capture Hitler, Osama, Saddam, and you find out that the Bush CIA connections and all the
above assets are intrinsically linked. Even the JFK Assignation is linked to the Bush junta etc. You start to think you have lived in a major conspiracy all your life and that somehow it all forms a unified theory of everything.
This hurdle to the sensible activist is something you know you cannot overcome. After all, you are just a mere mortal and do not have the budgets
and resources to compete with monolithic Corpo/Gov/Media and now you are in the area of dark evil stuff. Even with your newfound etheric energy.
The voice inside your head and the fear is cautioning you to run away.
One day after your computer is filled with a pile of diverse information your own pictures and videos of chemtrails, you spot out of the corner of your eye something sparkling just of the edge of a ubiquitous chemtrail, as you brain adapts to what you are seeing it disappears. Two days later, you
see the same thing. Nevertheless, this time you recognise it as some kind of glowing silver orb about the size of a basketball, you watch it for a few
seconds and it suddenly disappears. Then a week later, another silver orb appears in and amongst chemtrails. This time you notice that it is moving up
and down and from side to side, you watch it for ten minutes and then it just literally disappears once again. You rush home to tell your wife.
By this time, your wife has left you. You are identified as a freak and you only have your digital family left. Common sense would tell you to stop what
you are doing and run like hell.
Problem  You are now classed as a conspiracy theorist and having discovered that conspiracy is just another word for the truth the doors of
perception spring open. You discover we are not ALONE and you become a target after a few months. First, it is your phone that starts acting funny,
then you discover that your e-mails are being intercepted, at certain times of the night you are sweating, twisting and turning, your dreamscape becomes
even more absurd, you wake feeling burnt and disorientated. You understand what ELF really is. Your ears start ringing you pick up strange frequencies.
You are now being attacked and you doubt your own sanity. Where do you go from here? After a few days you realise that, you are right this whole thing
is wrong and you are damn well going to find the underlying cause of it even though you know it is going to kill you or you are going get locked up under some trumped up charge of a misdemeanour or some psychological problems.
You spend a few weeks just on research you look at what geoengineering really is and what mad solutions to the problem are being tabled. The thing
to look at is not so much the crazy proposals which are definitely being used in the chemtrail conundrum but who is proposing the. Geoengineers are
invariably scientists from biotech industries and with a mountain of funding from the usual corporate suspects (Exxon et al) so, your natural question
would be why are the earth scientists not involved, why are we not looking at algae growth as opposed to pouring tons of iron into the oceans? Why is
there no debate on this problem, why do we have to except what the nutty mechanistic scientists are doing to our planet?
Break 1) Nutty Scientists! At this point and with a mass of crazy information, you need to take stock. You decide to lock yourself away and
think. To choose Descartes route and questioned your whole chemtrail research. Nutty scientists, secret governments...NWO!
An old friendly voice in your head goes off. “USE THE FORCE LUKE”
Don Croft the nutty scientist had invented a chembuster based on orgone. You decide to read and study Wilhelm Reich and his experiments with orgone in
his book Ether, God and the devil. You had already read his book on the Psychology of fascism, and were most impressed, and could see the parallels with
today's fascistic and racist world. After all how more fascist can you get with chemtrails and mind control? You then read Trevor James Constables book
the Cosmic Pulse of life and John Keel's book Operation Trojan Horse. All things start pointing to a unified theory based on orgone (chi, etheric
energy). Thankfully, you were able to test out empirically some of the ether energy stuff that Constable had suggested to the point of being able to
break up clouds with your own eyes. You went back, re looked at Don Crofts work, and it all started to make sense.
NWO, secret government and fascist policies had chosen geoengineering over climate engineering proposed by earth scientists to negate the problems of
CO2 emissions and for very fat profits of the self-chosen elite. Protecting the status quo of big business and the illuminati. This has been sold to the
spider flyers (chemtrail pilots) you are doing your world a great service (thus, pandering to their enormous gung ho ego's) a solution has been sold
to congress that allows them to continue as normal and negates the need to solve the real cause of global problems, namely the need for social
engineering and a switch to cleaner energy sources. Particularly FREE energy of which they have denied for years. They must protect this lie and the
status quo, even though the outcome of geoengineering will not doubt create a situation we will not be able to control. Secrecy has be kept to a maximum
under national security clauses, whistle blowers could be faced with the death penalty for not spilling the geoengineered beans, and why would they,
they are doing the planet (in their sun glassed eyes) a great service, under the false believe system perpetrated by the secret government. They are
trying to protect the original lie to justify this nutty science.
For years we have been told chemtrails do not exist. That free energy is $#@#! and that aliens are just another crackpots warped imagination to stop you from believing that we are the only intelligence in the known universe. We are told secret government and illuminate are just conspiracy and so on.
Perhaps the real conspiracy is that the Crofts have discovered the answer to chemtrails, mind control and pushing back the dark forces to save humanity from the straight jacket of conspiracy and perhaps they are being helped by divine extraterrestial intervention. And as we are now being asked to accept two billion plus deaths or green skies for the rest of our existence? perhaps we should look at the real conspiracy that is everyday control pseudo reality……..USE THE FORCE FRIEND or join the two billion death lottery! ;-)
The research continues an on you go progress is fast, atainemnt is slow.
Etherically yours
Mark.
Mark Davey
The Superpower For Peace Movement.
www.superpowerforpeace.org
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CONSPIRACY_MAN
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Mon Jun 09, 2003 1:00 pm
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is this a debunking post in the activists forum.
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Lulu
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Mon Jun 09, 2003 2:56 pm
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quote:
and you overcome the flight explorer scenario
Thermit used the flight explorer scenario in his Trail Research Report, suckingeggs; have you read the report yet? In fact, this is how it was determined that the planes leaving persisting trails were unidentified (non commercial).
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The process of collection of data about contrails, such as altitude for use in atmospheric analysis, revealed that the highly persistent trails were being produced by flights that did not appear on Flight Explorer.
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/report.shtml
FE can be a useful tool in the identification of aircraft. I don't see how this is a "problem".
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Flight Explorer
Flight Explorer Personal Edition is an Internet-based flight-tracking tool that allows the user to obtain information about commercial, passenger, and private flights. All flights utilizing IFR (instrument flight rules) submit a flight plan to one of the regional ARTCCs (air route traffic control centers), this information becomes part of the FAA supplied datastream that is used by Flight Explorer. Aircraft flying via VFR (visible flight rules) are not part of the datastream, however this is irrelevant to this study since the lowest altitude at which contrailing was observed during research was 31,000 ft. and there are no VFR flights allowed in a Class A airspace, above 18,000 ft., although there is one very rare exception to this rule. Military flights are filtered from the datastream by the FAA for security reasons. The filtering algorithm used removes flights that don't include a number, which reportedly may filter some foreign jets. The documentation says that Canadian flights specifically are not filtered and personal observation shows that Mexican aircraft, common in this area, are not filtered as well as dozens of other international flights. Also some flights are marked as blocked which means that the identifying information is hidden, however the altitude, aircraft type and other information are still available.
It really would be great if someone else would attempt to duplicate this kind of study.
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It is hoped that others will endeavor to repeat these observations and publish their results. By repeating the basic observations for persistence length and whether the flight appears on Flight Explorer, it will be seen whether or not a trend emerges confirming the existence of a unique category of trail.
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suckingeggs
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Mon Jun 09, 2003 4:42 pm
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Lulu,
This is the part I was mainly refering to:
"although there is one very rare exception to this rule. Military flights are filtered from the datastream by the FAA for security reasons"
They are white military (NATO?) jets and so the debunkers use this on new chemmies.
But in fairness I have not read the report or tested the software..I can't see the point other that reporting findings to gov officials or media..who as you know are all in denial. |
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Wed Jun 11, 2003 12:57 am
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Good find suckingeggs ,A lot of truth in that post.roman... |
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suckingeggs
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Tue Jul 01, 2003 11:25 pm
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The reality is that most conspiracy is truth and the truth of our reality is conspiracy.
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suckingeggs
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Thu Jul 03, 2003 8:39 am
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Doug,
Thank you for joining the chemtrail debate. I would like to take each point
you raise one by one.
Firstly, I wrote this article for newbies to chemtrails/geoengineering/air
pharmacology, I now prefer the later term as the inventor of chemtrails is a
Mr Jim Phelps Ex Snr Eng Oak Ridge National Laboratory (ORNL) DOE/DoD
Whistleblower. Jim is on record as saying he and his team created Air
Pharmacology to protect the AMA and most industry from the
problem created of global warming and the massive amount of fluorides in the
atmosphere brought about by nuclear bombs and testing http://members.aol.com/magnu96196/chemtrails.html
The article I wrote is auto biographical and as I said was intended to help
and warn serious investigators into this most heinous crime perpetrated
against humanity. Perhaps if
you read some of Diane Harvey's writings on the subject http://www.rense.com/general7/200ch.htm or
perhaps if you have the time and the inclination to join the team that want
to help save the world you would study the links that Ken Adachi has
included on this article at http://educate-yourself.org/cn/ctstenproblems09jun03.shtml
You of all people have the experience and contacts to help this
cause, if you are genuinely interested in saving the planet.
What is blocking chemtrail activism and mass public and political debate
leading to debate, action and solutions?
Well, firstly all so-called officialdom flatly denies that they exist.
However, I can prove that they do and so can you.
Trevor James Constable is a leading light in weather manipulation and
follows in the footsteps of Einstein and Wilhelm Reich in etheric
technologies. All living things have an etheric field, a luminescent energy
around their bodies, including you. Here is how to prove it. Put your hand
up against a dark background and after a few seconds you will see a faint
white shadow round the tips of your fingers. Next look at a group of trees
and you will see the same type of shadow against the skies background. Now
unbelievably you can use this energy to make clouds disappear. Choose a
small cloud first, start scanning it with your eyes from left to right, and
up and down, focus on breaking the cloud up with your mind. It will seem to
disappear as you focus, re adjust your eyes and keep the process up. WOW,
you have just made your first cloud disappear. Show all your friends your
new magical powers. This is etheric FREE energy...more later. This will work
on all clouds except chemtrails. Thus, Proving chemtrails exist. No
conspiracy they exist.
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*DE: Nothing of the sort, Mark. The faint holo-like effect you see occurs
with any clearly distinct object, living or dead, especially where there is
a marked contrast in light intensity. It is called an after-image, and is
caused by temporary depletion of retinal pigment in that part of the retina
exposed (for several seconds usually -- it is dangerous to stare at very
bright lights like oxywelding flame or the sun, this could burn a blind spot
in the retina). If I look steadily at a fixed point on black-and-white
checked linoleum in good light for half a minute, then look at a white point
on a white surface, I'll see a ghostly pattern of white squares where the
black image was and dimmed squares wher the whjite images were in relation
to my central gazing point. Staring at a shaded tree against a bright sky
with tiny wavering movements of the eye's fixation point will produce
bright/dark margins around the border between the tree's and the sky's
image. So if your trick proves anything, it has nothing to do with
contrails.
MD: Sorry Doug but you are wrong. Try doing the exercise I stated above
with a pencil or any inanimate object, you will clearly see that it does not
have the etheric energy I and many others have mentioned and use in healing
and other activities. It is a basic form of free energy that we all hold in
our
beings. I guess you do not believe in auras also. I did not recommend
staring at bright lights or directly into the sun, just clouds. Have you
actually tried to dissipate a cloud yet? The trick has nothing to
do with contrails; I was saying that it works with clouds but not with
chemtrails. Please try this yourself or invite some friends to try out the
experiment. Chemtrails can be dissipated with a chembuster the invention of
Don Croft www.cloud-busters.com
REF: Nikola Tesla and James C. Maxwell called it the Ether or Aether, the
Chinese called it Chi, and Reich called it Orgone. Other bright people, like
Karl Von Reichenbach, John W. Keeley and Viktor Schauberger, also stumbled
upon different manifestations of orgone energy in the 19th Century and the
early decades of the 20th Century. They too devised methods of harnessing
this energy and putting it to practical use. http://educate-yourself.org/tjc/visualray21may0.shtml
[Mark} Ten problems with discovering chemtrails.
Problem 1) You wake up one day and notice streams of lines formed by jets
high up in the atmosphere. You wake up the next day and once again, the
ubiquitous lines are there. You notice crosses, grids and bends. You think
to yourself that is not normal. Then you notice day after day that the sky
is always a whiteout (unless cumulus clouds are present), yet when you woke
at six in the morning you had a blue sky as you have been accustomed to all
your life. By the time, you arrive at work the sun is hidden by what you
could only describe as a fuzzy haze. Perhaps you ask some friends have they
noticed anything odd and they usually look at you blankly. Therefore, you go
to the internet and after a while discover the term chemtrails. From that
moment on your life changes.
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*DE: I don't see how contrails of planes one day and white-out of the sky by
non-cumulus clouds another day could convince you that the whitge-out must
be chemtrails.
MD: They are not contrails; they are chemtrails, created by air
pharmacology. Did you know that the US has downgraded visibility on a
normal day from 40 miles to 10 miles? Ask yourself why that is I would be
very interested in your comments. I get up and a beautiful blue sky is in
front of me, the jets come, lay their toxins and by midday, you cannot not
see anything further than strangely enough 10 miles? Look at UV-b protection
and what chemicals are being used to protect us from intense sunlight. Now
what is causing that problem. If you study the so-called 11-year sun cycle
you will see that it is currently not following any normal patterns, if you
study the SOHO satellite, you will see other anomalies etc. The point is
with
this article that the newbies have a massive learning curve and a tremendous
amount of information to get their heads around. That is why I post many
varied articles on this subject matter. Air pharmacology is a very deep
hidden black project within a black project, jointly financed by military
and the pharma/genetic/insurance/financial house to the detriment of us
normal humans.
Why do you think that Greenpeace/Green Party/Sierra club no longer call this
a conspiracy? Preferring to say that it is beyond their remit or they are
too
busy with other things. My guess that like Bush's remark to NGO's to shut
their mouths and tow the globalists line http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20030620/CONAOMI
20/TPComment/Columnists written by Naomi Klein these NGO's have been
warned off under the guise of national security to protect us all, while
keeping the lie and protecting that status quo. Funding of NGO's is part of
the problem and our media is bowing to the gov/corpo/mil machine, under the
leadership of the neo-con nazis.
The evidence is outstanding and like 9-11 and Free Energy, the truth
will come out. My article was to help people who are being accused of
madness by friends and family, before the get crucified by the paid
debunkers and fall into the trap of CIA assets that purported to be
chemtrail activist groups. The age old trick of divide and conquer.
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(Mark) Problem 2) the name CHEMTRAILS coined by Will Thomas is a starting
point. Ha ha you think I have discovered what is happening. You start to
investigate, and your stomach hits the floor, you cannot believe your eyes.
White NATO jets are deliberately spraying chemicals such as barium and
aluminium. Why? You ask yourself. Again, why would our politicians condone
such madness? Your stomach hits the floor again as you discover the effect
of the toxins on all
planet life. You start to ask your friends, do you know what those white
lines are in the sky "yeah their jet trails" some may even tell you they are
contrails, you instantly start to tell them, well actually, they are
chemtrails, and contrails dissipate after a few seconds. You are then asked
to explain what chemtrails are. As you discover your friends and family turn
off and ignore what you are saying as they mutter under their breath, have
you been on Prozac?
At this point most people give up and think to themselves, yeah its just
normal air traffic and go back to the sheeple although always at the back of
your mind you know something is wrong.
Some however, decide to carry out some more research.
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*DE: You didn't mention how you discovered that NATO spray chemicals such as
barium and aluminium.
You didn't mention how you discovered aor who diagnosed toxic effects and
their connection with chemtrails, barium or aluminium.It is morfe important
to produce that evidence than to catalogue your falling stomach sensations
at what you describe as unbelievable sights and discovery of toxic effects.
MD: The evidence is out there www.carnicom www.educate-yourself.org www.chemtrailcentral.com perhaps you should do a search on the net and find
your own truth. You could even join www.chemtrailtrackingusa@yahoogroups.co.uk as see what the 2500 active
members think, feel and report about chemtrails. Once again, this article
was written to help newbies overcome
the problems they will incur with a serious search to find the answer to
this problem. Perhaps a good starting point for you Doug would be BBC
Freelance Journalist Nicolas
Jones excellent article Chemtrails - Peanut Butter And Barium Sandwiches
The Chemistry Of The Modern Sky http://educate-yourself.org/ct/ctpeanutbutterbariumsandwiches17apr02.shtml
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[Mark} Problem 3) Knowing that you are not on any prescribed or illicit
drugs you pursue your research, you discover other sites and groups of
people who have
seen and heard about chemtrails. You pluck up the courage to ask questions
about your new subject and then it starts to get really complicated, no one
can tell you exactly why chemtrails are being sprayed, a multitude of
theories start to come into your new world view. "Its to save the planet"
some say, "it's mind control" shout others, "its a silly old conspiracy"
"it's a mass population cull" "its about the control of water" or "its
aliens" etc.
At this point if you try to explain to family and friends and they tell you,
it is becoming an obsession and there are many more things in life much more
important than chemtrails. You go back to the sheeple with a fuddled mind.
Some intrepid explorers continue and start to take a more direct approach.
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*DE: It cannot help your persistent research to allow wild speculations to
fuddle you.
Question wild theories and ask for evidence.
MD: See all of the above, do your own research and find the truth. Do not
worry about my fuddled mind I lack the mind control of the educational
doctrines to do my self-serious damage ;-)
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[Mark] Problem 4) You start to ask questions of those who you think would be
knowledgeable "sorry it is not part of our current activism" Greenpeace, "we
are looking at it" The Green Party "What are you a mad man" the media.
Moreover, you hit those who know the term but do not want to know "it's a
conspiracy, go back to work" Baaaa.
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*DE: The only ones I've heard of claiming to know are those mentioned in
this forum, and as I've previously suggested there must be a more informed
place to send your problems to. This forum has no more connection with
chemtrail reports, throries or research than any other phenomenon creating
collections of inconsistent and incoherent theories and false proofs based
on visual after-images.
MD: My hope was and is that people on the forums where I post a whole range
of information can understand that I am not mad and that I am trying to help
wake people up to this problem. You actually advised me to join other groups
and spread my information (I know you were talking about my small business
inventions at the time) I have done this and I am growing my readership and
activism. I also understand that simpolicies is for any subject matter and
so your comment is that you wish to be the moderator and close of the
discussion, under the belief that I am talking rubbish. WAKE UP DOUG,
PLEASE!
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[Mark] Problem 5) The debunkers: By the tone of your enquires and your
genuine interest to find the underlying cause of the problem you start to
send out vibes which are intercepted by the professionals. a pilot may take
you under his wing and explain it is just a conspiracy "I have been flying
for twenty years and it is just down to the amount of air traffic these day
old buddy" or " Nah! It is just plain old contrails, nothing to worry about
me old friend" You, thinking that it cannot be that simple. start to hit
these people with some facts " But Will Thomas and Jeff Rense say this and
that etc" Then you hit professional debunker mode as you progress your
information " Rense, Thomas don't be a fool they are just playing on your
naivety (ed's note: this is classic projection on behalf of the paid
debunkers Jay Reynolds resident debunker at www.chemtrailcentral.com alleged
agent http://worldzone.net/science/reality2u30/threats.html et al) they want
to sell you books and videos. Once you have made contact with a professional
debunker and you overcome the flight explorer scenario, look at these
pictures from 1945, this professional said this, look at this scientific
report. Jay Reynolds is also disputing Will Thomas on barium and aluminium
tests found in chemtrails. Remember your etheric vision does not work on
chemicals.
...
*DE: I'm not a paid debunker. I'm trying to debunk the debunkers that sell
books and apparently fed you stories about etheric energy and chemicals
without evidence that sensible people or honest scientists can believe.
MD: AH, the age-old problem of the con/lie that is the second law of
thermodynamics. The
indoctrination of the educational systems and the belief that our
governments actually care about us. You are a senior member of Simpol www.simpol.org.uk and you more than most understand that the world is run by
transnational corporations, who do not have heart and emotions, just bottom
lines. I know you are not a paid debunker Doug and I trust your heart, but
you are wrong on this one my friend.
...
[Mark] Breaks 1) At this point your get a break. Someone leaks some new
information an insider blows the whistle on the whole chemtrail project. You
discover the term geoengineering. You hope that with this new scientific
term and information you can retrace your steps, go back to the media
organise
political action get something done. Your family and friends will forgive
you for your obsession, you were right all the time. You were the smart one
they should have listened. Momentarily forgetting about the debunkers and
how hard it is to prove leaked information without an actual contact name
and address. The big guns are rolled out, Will Thomas debunks the whole
article, and you sink down into depression and wonder if 2 billion are
actually going to die. And piece by piece, the story is rubbished. Your hero
steps in and they debunk the story.
You have already put the information out there expecting mass action to stop
the madness. Now association rubbishes you. At this point, you should really
give up and join the herd.
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*DE: Don't give up looking for facts. Give up feeling down because there are
lots of planes overhead, some days hidden by low cloud, sometimes leaving
water condensation trails in cold air. Beleove that if there is an epidemic
due to toxins it will be exposed by patients and their healers, not by
debunkers with conspiracy theories.
MD: The reality is that most conspiracy is truth and the truth of our
reality is
conspiracy. They are not contrail Doug, although persistent contrails are
also a worry to scientists http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cache:H0G6X2DTCJAC:www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/sas
s/pub/conference/JP1.15.duda.arams.02.pdf+persistent+contrail&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
(Note cut and past whole link into browser)
These are geoengineering operations in the air and sea http://www.holmestead.ca www.lightwatcher.com/chemtrails/hos.html
...
[Mark] Problem 6) Other serious researchers and thinkers start to help you,
they have seen the debunker attacks coming for miles they know that some
very sincere people just give up under the torrent of debunker abuse. They
point you to some sound evidence and to Congressman Dennis Kucinich and Bill
HR 2977. There it is in black and white chemtrails next to some very exotic
weapons and the Star (t) Wars ( my (t) for reality check) programme. Only to
discover that in the amended bill all terms relating to exotic weaponry have
been removed including chemtrails. At this point, you understand that
government do not want you to know what they are up to and will not let it
out to the public.
...
*DE: There is recent disclosure of the long term radiation sickness, birth
deformity, cancer etc being caused by US depleted uranium (DU) wepons in
thenear east. This was disclosed by a whistle blower - one of the cheap
weapons experts, dircted to cover up the facts by his government superiors.
If the exotic weapons you fear exisat, the facts are likely to come out
whether you and your speculating friends speak to congress or anyone.
MD: Bill HR2977 proposed by Congressman Dennis Kucinch presidential
candidate http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:h.r.02977
. One month ago at a meeting he said the three magic words
"chemtrails are real" www.rense.com If you want the inside track on DU and
nuclear crimes and cover ups http://members.aol.com/doewatch
...
[Mark] Problem 7) Having realised that you cannot find a political solution
to the problem, you wonder what direct action you can take? Suddenly a new
doorway opens up; your research has led you to a pseudo scientist called Don
Croft. A man who has adapted a device from a machine called a cloud buster
(Wilhelm Reich) and is using it to destroy chemtrails. Although highly
sceptical, you start to look at the information and your first instincts are
what a load of rubbish, this person has cobbled together some copper tubes,
a bucket, some resin a few crystals and metal shavings from machine shop
floors and calls it a chembuster. The whole contraption can be put together
for less that £30.00 pounds. Your brain catches hold of the beauty of the
idea and you inwardly laugh at a cheap device that could beat a billion
dollar operation. Alas, you discover that Mr Croft and his wife are using
similar so-called orgone technologies to thwart mind control created by
HAARP and GEWN towers. They are also using physics and are being helped by
so called good alien entities; they have graphic adventures, which could
only be described as science fiction. You file it into the nutty professor
bin and move on. How ludicrous!
Problem 7) Once you move into the star (t) wars arena you come face to face
with political lies and deceit. You learn about black projects, mind
control, secret governments, illuminati, UFO's and real aliens. Then you
discover links from the last 50 years. Nazi scientist given new identities,
the Bush family connections with Hitler, you can trace the family genealogy
all the way back to Edward the 1st. How Betchtel is a company, we should all
have deep concerns about. Why did they never actual capture Hitler, Osama,
Saddam, and you find out that the Bush CIA connections and all the
above assets are intrinsically linked. Even the JFK Assignation is linked to
the Bush junta etc. You start to think you have lived in a major conspiracy
all your life and that somehow it all forms a unified theory of everything.
This hurdle to the sensible activist is something you know you cannot
overcome. After all, you are just a mere mortal and do not have the budgets
and resources to compete with monolithic Corpo/Gov/Media and now you are in
the area of dark evil stuff. Even with your newfound etheric energy.
The voice inside your head and the fear is cautioning you to run away.
One day after your computer is filled with a pile of diverse information
your own pictures and videos of chemtrails, you spot out of the corner of
your eye something sparkling just of the edge of a ubiquitous chemtrail, as
you brain adapts to what you are seeing it disappears. Two days later, you
see the same thing. Nevertheless, this time you recognise it as some kind of
glowing silver orb about the size of a basketball, you watch it for a few
seconds and it suddenly disappears. Then a week later, another silver orb
appears in and amongst chemtrails. This time you notice that it is moving up
and down and from side to side, you watch it for ten minutes and then it
just literally disappears once again. You rush home to tell your wife.
By this time, your wife has left you. You are identified as a freak and you
only have your digital family left. Common sense would tell you to stop what
you are doing and run like hell.
...
*DE: Conspiracies are constantly exposed by several vocal minorities in this
forum and others. SP is just one of the antidotes. Running away doesn't
work. But if there really are voices in your head, I'd recommend trying to
join a mutual help group like G.R.O.W. or Recovery for people in quandries.
MD: Doug the voice is not your typical schizophrenic god talking to me etc.
It is an expression on my own soul and intuition. The facts far outweigh the
fear. I am in no quandary, I am simply an informationist and a global social
activist without being a member of any groups and thus avoid the dogmatic
mind control of people who crave money and power, and enforce it through
indoctrination on us the poor sheeple.
...
[Mark} Problem You are now classed as a conspiracy theorist and having
discovered that conspiracy is just another word for the truth the doors of
perception spring open. You discover we are not ALONE and you become a
target after a few months. First, it is your phone that starts acting funny,
then you discover that your e-mails are being intercepted, at certain times
of the night you are sweating, twisting and turning, your dreamscape becomes
even more absurd, you wake feeling burnt and disorientated. You understand
what ELF really is. Your ears start ringing you pick up strange frequencies.
You are now being attacked and you doubt your own sanity. Where do you go
from here? After a few days you realise that, you are right this whole thing
is wrong and you are damn well going to find the underlying cause of it even
though you know it is going to kill you or you are going get locked up under
some trumped up charge of a misdemeanour or some psychological problems.
You spend a few weeks just on research you look at what geoengineering
really is and what mad solutions to the problem are being tabled. The thing
to look at is not so much the crazy proposals which are definitely being
used in the chemtrail conundrum but who is proposing the. Geoengineers are
invariably scientists from biotech industries and with a mountain of funding
from the usual corporate suspects (Exxon et al) so, your natural question
would be why are the earth scientists not involved, why are we not looking
at algae growth as opposed to pouring tons of iron into the oceans? Why is
there no debate on this problem, why do we have to except what the nutty
mechanistic scientists are doing to our planet?
Break 1) Nutty Scientists! At this point and with a mass of crazy
information, you need to take stock. You decide to lock yourself away and
think. To choose Descartes route and questioned your whole chemtrail
research. Nutty scientists, secret governments...NWO!
An old friendly voice in your head goes off. "USE THE FORCE LUKE"
Don Croft the nutty scientist had invented a chembuster based on orgone. You
decide to read and study Wilhelm Reich and his experiments with orgone in
his book Ether, God and the devil. You had already read his book on the
Psychology of fascism, and were most impressed, and could see the parallels
with
today's fascistic and racist world. After all how more fascist can you get
with chemtrails and mind control? You then read Trevor James Constables book
the Cosmic Pulse of life and John Keel's book Operation Trojan Horse. All
things start pointing to a unified theory based on orgone (chi, etheric
energy). Thankfully, you were able to test out empirically some of the ether
energy stuff that Constable had suggested to the point of being able to
break up clouds with your own eyes. You went back, re looked at Don Crofts
work, and it all started to make sense.
NWO, secret government and fascist policies had chosen geoengineering over
climate engineering proposed by earth scientists to negate the problems of
CO2 emissions and for very fat profits of the self-chosen elite. Protecting
the status quo of big business and the illuminati. This has been sold to the
spider flyers (chemtrail pilots) you are doing your world a great service
(thus, pandering to their enormous gung ho ego's) a solution has been sold
to congress that allows them to continue as normal and negates the need to
solve the real cause of global problems, namely the need for social
engineering and a switch to cleaner energy sources. Particularly FREE energy
of which they have denied for years. They must protect this lie and the
status quo, even though the outcome of geoengineering will not doubt create
a situation we will not be able to control. Secrecy has be kept to a maximum
under national security clauses, whistle blowers could be faced with the
death penalty for not spilling the geoengineered beans, and why would they,
they are doing the planet (in their sun glassed eyes) a great service, under
the false believe system perpetrated by the secret government. They are
trying to protect the original lie to justify this nutty science.
For years we have been told chemtrails do not exist. That free energy is
$#@#! and that aliens are just another crackpots warped imagination to
stop you from believing that we are the only intelligence in the known
universe. We are told secret government and illuminate are just conspiracy
and so on.
Perhaps the real conspiracy is that the Crofts have discovered the answer to
chemtrails, mind control and pushing back the dark forces to save humanity
from the straight jacket of conspiracy and perhaps they are being helped by
divine extraterrestial intervention. And as we are now being asked to accept
two billion plus deaths or green skies for the rest of our existence?
perhaps we should look at the real conspiracy that is everyday control
pseudo reality....USE THE FORCE FRIEND or join the two billion death
lottery! ;-)
The research continues an on you go progress is fast, atainemnt is slow.
Etherically yours
Mark.
Mark Davey
The Superpower For Peace Movement.
www.superpowerforpeace.org
...
*DE: If you're so sure you've found the truth in some book, wy not review
that for us instead of retracing your search with all its false starts and
dead ends, Mark? -- Doug E.
MD: Why don't you read Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in
2025 by Col Tamzy J. House Lt Col James B. Near, Jr. LTC William B. Shields
(USA) Maj Ronald J. Celentano Maj David M. Husband Maj Ann E. Mercer Maj
James E. Pugh August 1996
Executive Summary:
In 2025, US aerospace forces can "own the weather" by capitalizing on
emerging technologies and focusing development of those technologies to
war-fighting applications. Such a capability offers the war fighter tools to
shape the battlespace in ways never before possible. It provides
opportunities to impact operations across the full spectrum of conflict and
is pertinent to all possible futures. The purpose of this paper is to
outline a strategy for the use of a future weather-modification system to
achieve military objectives rather than to provide a detailed technical road
map.
A high-risk, high-reward endeavor, weather-modification offers a dilemma not
unlike the splitting of the atom. While some segments of society will always
be reluctant to examine controversial issues such as weather-modification,
the tremendous military capabilities that could result from this field are
ignored at our own peril. From enhancing friendly operations or disrupting
those of the enemy via small-scale tailoring of natural weather patterns to
complete dominance of global communications and counterspace control,
weather-modification offers the war fighter a wide-range of possible options
to defeat or coerce an adversary. Some of the potential capabilities a
weather-modification system could provide to a war-fighting commander in
chief (CINC) are listed in table 1.
Technology advancements in five major areas are necessary for an integrated
weather-modification capability: (1) advanced nonlinear modeling techniques,
(2) computational capability, (3) information gathering and transmission,
(4) a global sensor array, and (5) weather intervention techniques. Some
intervention tools exist today and others may be developed and refined in
the future.
MD: Doug, thank you for your participation in this discussion. I await your
further comments.
Doug Everingham - SP State Coordinator for Queensland, Australia. www.simpol.org.uk
Doug was born in 1923. He has retired from family and hospital medical
practice and federal politics. He led or joined several peace groups, was
Minister for Health 1972-75, West Pacific regional Vice-President of the
1975 WHO Assembly, represented Australia and New Zealand at the 1982 meeting
of International Physicians for Prevention of Nuclear War, and spoke against
apartheid at the 1982 UN General Assembly as parliamentary adviser to the
Australian delegation. In 1999-2000 he was appointed by the Foreign Affairs
and Trade Minister to the National Consultative Committee on Peace and
Disarmament.
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Doug Everingham is an old man and an ex-parliamentarian. Let him go back to sleep, along with his mentor John Bunzl. |
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