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Thermit
Joined: 08 Jul 2000
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Location: Texas |
Flight Explorer Report
 Thu Dec 07, 2000 9:31 pm
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So far in my Flight Explorer studies I have attempted to determine what planes seen in my area could be correlated with the FE software with a focus on jets that leave trails of any type. I have used the software for one month and would like to share what has been found so far, including some specific cases.
The majority of air traffic in this area are low-level flights arriving at and leaving from Hobby (HOU) and Bush Interncontinental (KIAH) airports. A main flight corridor runs over my house (2,000-4,000 ft.) with flights descending for landing at Hobby. I have found that there is typically not very much traffic above the 30,000 ft. level relative to all flights shown on FE. This can be seen on the screen captures shown below.
Commercial traffic leaving approximately 1-2 minute persistent trails have been observed at 35,000 to 39,000 ft. Also 5-10 second contrails have been observed as low as 31,000 ft.
Very persistent trails noted in the Houston area appear to be well above 30,000 ft., possibly over 40,000 ft. using comparable identifiable traffic as a guide.
Flight Explorer does not report military flights.
With regards to trailing, I have found:
- Planes leaving no trails are correlateable to commercial/passenger/private flights shown on FE.
- Planes leaving trails with persistence in the 5 second to 2 minute range have been correlated to flights shown on FE.
- Planes leaving trails with persistence of half an hour or more could not be correlated to flights shown on FE.
Key to FE screens shown below:
- The first three digits shown next to each plane represent the altitude. Values are shown in 100's of feet, so just add 2 zeros to the number to read height.
- An arrow following this number will represent acending or descending altitude depending on the direction of the symbol.
- The second number shown is the ground speed in knots.
- The red lines are history lines that will show up to the four last positions of the flight.
- The color of the plane indicates Active for orange and Arrived for blue.
Case 1: Unidentified Trailing Plane
11/21/00 5:10pm, path of Jet traveling west by southwest indicated on the image with drawn-in arrow. This plane could not identified with FE. Trail persisted for at least half an hour.
Case 2: Unidentified Trailing Plane in Semicircle Loop
11/21/00 5:34pm, This aircraft was observed in the west heading northward, from my vantage point it appeared as a ~45 degree diagonal trail headed upward and to the north, plane began arcing and coming closer until it was seen heading eastward to the north and finally curving to the southeast. Path of Jet travel indicated on the image with a drawn-in arrow. This plane could not be correlated to any flights shown on FE. Trail persisted for at least half an hour.
Case 3: Pair of Unidentified Trailing Planes Flying in Formation.
12/02/00 11:00am, two parallel trails observed to the south and headed to the west. The beginnings of these two trails began very near to my vantage point, although there were trails in every part of the sky, including east of where they suddenly start. No evaporation of these trails was noted for over half an hour. These trails were photographed for reference but aren't available yet. These two parallel planes were not shown on FE.
Case 4: An Identified Trailing Plane.
12/02/00 11:00am, United Airlines Flight 1012 was identified traveling at 37,000 ft. This plane was leaving a trail that persisted for about 1-2 minutes. This trail also contained a gap which only appeared as the trail began fading out and lasted only a few seconds. This shows that "broken" trails can occur as the trail "evaporates", however the suspicious broken or matchstick trails that I have seen have been persistent on the scale of half an hour or more.
Preliminary Observations
I have observed that commercial/passenger traffic can leave trails that persist for up to two minutes in my area. They may leave trails that last longer, however this has not been observed. It is of note that, based on local atmospheric soundings and FE, that I have seen planes fly through altitude bands that are ideal for highly persistent trails (identical temperature and dew point with respect to water) and produce only two minutes of persistence.
I have found that jets that leave trails that persist on the scale of half an hour to several hours and eventually become cirrus aviaticus clouds have not been correlateable to any flight data on FE.
These two aforementioned ranges of trail persistence have been observed to coexist at the same altitude ranges. On one occasion a ~2 minute trailing plane flew through an old persistent trail and was seen to intersect as the less persistent trail became temporarily stuck within the older trail where they overlapped.
It is my opinion that some trails that have been labeled by some, including myself, as Chemtrails are truely contrails. Based on this new comprehension I no longer consider or label these barely persistent trails as Chemtrails.
It is also my opinion that there is an apparent anomalous situation, with regards to the unidentified planes which produce the highly persistent trails, that warrants continued research with atmospheric soundings and Flight Explorer.
Comments and suggestions welcome. |
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nodebbunker
Joined: 01 Nov 2000
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Location: Indiana USA |
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Fri Dec 08, 2000 3:55 am
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Thanks for your honesty, Thermit. I know how much time it takes to make these observations, especially when you detail and document. Please keep us informed of any discoveries that those of us with FE would be interested in. As for my locale, I think I've told you I'm right under a high altitude flight path and several low altitude flight paths. Even though I am real close to Indianapolis International, the runways are way northeast and southwest of me. Every once in awhile, I suppose for traffic backing up, a "bigun" will fly over at low altitude and I can see the passengers in the windows. Awesome.
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LTC8K6
Joined: 20 Oct 2000
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Location: Tar Heel State |
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Fri Dec 08, 2000 1:58 pm
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Thermit, isn't it already well known that commercial jets produce persistent contrails that become cirrus clouds? Haven't there been umpteen studies for years of this problem, and it's possible effects on the weather, etc.?
Watched "Shooting War" last night on ABC. Huge "decks" of persistent contrails from the WW2 fighters / bombers. Spectacular footage from combat cameramen. |
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Thermit
Joined: 08 Jul 2000
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Location: Texas |
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Fri Dec 08, 2000 2:45 pm
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quote:
Thermit, isn't it already well known that commercial jets produce persistent contrails that become cirrus clouds?
LTC, that is probably correct, however, based on my FE studies so far, I have only observed this trail-to-cirrus process occuring as a result of highly persistent trails from unidentifiable aircraft and, also as mentioned, the most persistent trail observed being produced by an identified commerical plane is approximately two minutes. (My sighting database is too small at this stage for this to be conclusive.) |
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Great_Gazoo1963
Joined: 08 Dec 2000
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Location: Houston, TX |
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Fri Dec 08, 2000 3:21 pm
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Excellent approach, now you are getting somewhere. Let's keep in mind that some of those un-identified flights could be displaying genuine contrails as well. The ones that are circling the city, well I bet those are not contrails.
Thanks for putting a level head to a subject most have lost their's over. |
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elvis lives
Joined: 30 Sep 2000
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Location: Pismo Beach, California |
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Fri Dec 08, 2000 5:22 pm
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Thermit......
"however, based on my FE studies so far, I have only observed this trail-to-cirrus process occuring as a result of highly persistent trails from unidentifiable aircraft"
UNIDENTIFIABLE? I have watched contrail to cirrus formation a dozen times now. In every case, the display came from the 400 mile commercial flight corridor from LAX to SFO.
Why do you continue to IGNORE the following:
By 1996, NASA scientists using GOES-8 satellite measurements reported that "in certain heavy air traffic corridors, cloud cover has increased by as much as 20 percent."
In addition to producing vapor trails that can stretch thousands of miles across the sky, jet exhaust also triggers the formation of artificial clouds by "seeding" the atmosphere with cloud-forming aerosols -- droplets of sulfuric acid and particles of soot. http://www.enn.com/enn-features-archive/1997/12/120997/1209fea_20122.asp
Using new satellites, researchers tracked contrails and found that they can expand to cover tens of thousands of square kilometers and persist for several hours. In effect, instead of simply dissipating as previously thought, the planes' thin contrails turn to large cirrus clouds -- the kind of clouds that tend to trap heat in the upper atmosphere.
In New Mexico, for example, satellites tracked one concentration of contrails that turned into a cloud covering 13,000 square miles for more than 14 hours. http://www.enn.com/enn-features-archive/1998/09/093098/jets30_23744.asp
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Thermit
Joined: 08 Jul 2000
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Location: Texas |
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Fri Dec 08, 2000 6:52 pm
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Elvis, I am simply reporting my observations as correlated with Flight Explorer. |
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LTC8K6
Joined: 20 Oct 2000
Posts: 267
Location: Tar Heel State |
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Fri Dec 08, 2000 8:33 pm
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Deep end...
"I have counted 9 planes working the sky this morning..The Sky is Weeping White Crap..These
are really pissing me off..I want to KILL these
Pilots and anyone responsible for these and will
if I ever get the Chance..Damn them to HELL.." OMARTHENUTS msg44051 cttusa
Even if he sorta retracted it later...
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theseeker
Joined: 25 Jul 2000
Posts: 3403
Location: Damnit...I'm a doctor jim |
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Sat Dec 09, 2000 5:44 am
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Thermit, I congradulate you on your undertaking,considering your agenda, it is not a small endeavor, I would add that you might use the ADDS link I gave you a few moons ago in conjuction with your studies, if all we learned from this is that Jp-8 has a tendency to persist more than Jet-A fuel , well it was still worth it....
T/S |
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Thermit
Joined: 08 Jul 2000
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Location: Texas |
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Tue Dec 12, 2000 7:35 pm
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A comment by authorized504 from her board:
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I just read your report. This is the kind of civilian intelligence (CI) that goes a long way toward giving our concerns and claims credibility.
GREAT JOB.
The overzealous folks who scream chemtrail everytime they see a plane with a contrail would come to the same conclusion you did (and I) if they would observe a bit more objectively. I see lots of planes making normal contrails that are persistent in the Austin area, but the ChemTrails are very obvious in their nature and method of dispersal. Evaporation of ice crystals does not
enter the equasion in chemtrails. A normal contrail does not drop 10,000 feet and spread out to produce cirrus type clouds that last up to 12 hours before they leave the area or become so thin you can't see them.
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LTC8K6
Joined: 20 Oct 2000
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Tue Dec 12, 2000 8:58 pm
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"A normal contrail does not drop 10,000 feet and spread out to produce cirrus type clouds that last up to 12 hours before they leave the area or become so thin you can't see them."
But.....
That is exactly what normal contrails do, as shown by many studies. So what should I believe? I have seen contrails do that all of my life. No chemtrails in my sky yet.
BTW, Jay tears into Cliffies' barium garbage pretty good on his website. I wonder why Cliff bothers to put such obviously wrong information up?
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Swedishoo
Joined: 09 Aug 2000
Posts: 429
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Tue Dec 12, 2000 11:17 pm
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Excellent research Mark. When I had the Flight tracker, I too had the same exact discoveries. However the only difference between you and I is I disregard the high altitudes of approx. 25-30K or higher. There most likely are spraying programs at these higher levels, but none that I could logically account for. Also, by using the low and extremely low altitude contrails, I could determine if it was a military jet or commercial much easier. Also, I would not track any contrail unless it was non-dissipating.
This way, there were no doubts in my mind that these jets were leaving an exhaust of some petrochemical base.
Christy
PS I love the bumper sticker. Thank You. Everyone should order one from you.  |
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nodebbunker
Joined: 01 Nov 2000
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Wed Dec 13, 2000 1:58 am
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Christy, while you were tracking flights with "Flight Tracker" not to be confused with FE, did you corroborate the contrails and planes with relative humidity and temerature at those altitudes and keep records? How much time did you give your study?
From my observations here, the contrails that linger longer are few and far between any more and have been correlated to high altitude airliners. But of course, military, DEA and Coast Guard planes patrolling the gulf and coasts won't show up on FE, maybe that's why we don't see high altitude mystery planes here. Not much to patrol in Indiana except corn.
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Swedishoo
Joined: 09 Aug 2000
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Fri Dec 15, 2000 6:22 am
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Yes, different programs, but basically the same data. I feel the graphics were better with the Tracker. We had it installed for approx. 2 months, which was long enough to determine which jets were and were not on the tracker. When you see 4 jets making a basket weave formation above your head and tracker shows no commercial flight paths, why would I need to know my humidity level?
Christy |
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theseeker
Joined: 25 Jul 2000
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Location: Damnit...I'm a doctor jim |
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Fri Dec 15, 2000 7:26 am
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Christy, how often would you say this "4 jets making a basket weave formation" happens in florida....?
and you need to know humidity and temp to KNOW if it is normal....Duh....
T/S |
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