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stameyjd
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L.A. BURNS AFTER 2 WEEKS OF CHEMTRAILS!
 Tue Oct 28, 2003 1:13 am
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L.A. and San Diego are encircled with wild fires. Unbelievable as it is, most appear to be arson. The problem is that the weather is so hot and dry everything is vulnerable.
This follows 2 weeks of heavy chemtrails. Last Wednesday the trails were so heavy the rainbow effects were clearly seen in the clouds.
Please pray for rain. As i watch tv, simi valley and chatsworth, which are on the northeast side of l.a., are close to being overrun with fire.
the l.a. pd and fire departments are fighting an allout war against these fires. The mayor, jim hahn has just had a news conference where he said all of l.a.'s resources are being used.
in the south, san diego is almost helpless. i just heard on kogo radio station that not one tanker has been dropping water since the fire began.
so far 11 are dead in the san diego fire that is so bad that the nfl moved tonight's football game all the way to arizona to escape the smoke.
as san diego burns, without tanker support, two giant super tankers are sitting idle. There appears to be so much red tape to borrow them from the navy, it can't be done.
we need rain.
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Sore Throat
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Tue Oct 28, 2003 2:38 am
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Deborah
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Tue Oct 28, 2003 4:55 am
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stameyjd -
I will certainly pray for rain in your area.
Help is on its way from Arizona.
Your reference to the two tankers sitting idle got my attention. Have you seen this:
27 October 2003
The San Diego Union-Tribune
Federal regulations impede use of military aircraft to fight fires
WASHINGTON – The request went out Sunday for two military planes from Colorado Springs to help fight wildfires raging through Southern California.
But as of 1 p.m. Monday PST, the two C-130 aircraft – equipped with new, state-of-the-art fire-fighting equipment – had yet to get off the ground.
Because of an arcane provision in federal law, fire authorities first had to contact the owners of 13 commercial air tankers – six of which were being used elsewhere, and the remainder of which were too small for the firefighting job.
Several Western lawmakers, frustrated by a federal law that makes it difficult to use military planes for firefighting, are pushing plans in Congress to change things.
"It just seems like a waste of resources not to be able to tap into the capabilities that the military has," said Sarah Shelden, spokeswoman for Rep. Joel Hefley, R-Colo., who last year could not use two military planes that sat just 20 miles from fires burning in his Colorado district. "When it comes to public safety, we should be able to use all the resources available to us."
There are eight military planes in the country able to carry state-of-the-art firefighting equipment known as Modular Airborne Fire Fighting Systems, which can hold 2,700 gallons of fire retardant. Owned by the National Guard or the Air Force, the planes are in California, Wyoming, Colorado and North Carolina.
Thanks to efforts by local lawmakers – including Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-El Cajon – all eight will eventually help fight the fires that have raged through Southern California.
But before fire agencies could call on the military planes, the Economy Act of 1932 first required them to exhaust the possibilities for using private aircraft. Congress passed the act during the Depression to try to protect civilian jobs.
Hunter ran into frustrations this weekend as he tried to secure two military air tankers from Colorado Springs to help fight wildfires in San Diego. "There's a fairly substantial bureaucracy that works against us when time is of the essence," Hunter said. "The Economy Act complicates things, and it takes a long time."
Though the request for the planes came into Idaho's National Inter-Agency Coordination Center about 8 p.m. Sunday, the planes had not left Colorado as of 1 p.m. Monday PST, said Doug Shinn, assistant manager for the center, which coordinates firefighting efforts for several federal agencies and fields requests to use military planes.
Neal Hitchcock, the center's deputy director for operations, said the planes should have arrived in California about 6 p.m. Monday.
"It takes time just for the ... firefighting systems themselves to be loaded into the aircraft," Hitchcock said. "The military is disrupting its schedule to help us with the emergency. It takes time for them to coordinate and get the flight crews assembled. When we do this, we recognize it's not an instantaneous fix.... it's not (help) that we expect to be here in two hours."
When Gov. Gray Davis' office made a separate request to use the two planes at Point Mugu, fire officials began calling 13 private plane operators on Saturday. By Saturday night, officials at the Southern Operations and Coordination Center for the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection concluded that six of them were unavailable and seven were too small to fight the large blazes in Southern California.
It was 10 p.m. Saturday before they could request the military planes. Though the planes were ready to fly by 9 a.m. Sunday, high winds delayed their departure until Monday about 8 a.m, said Larry Benson, the center's fire chief.
"We have to exhaust all private resources before we can formally make the request," Benson said.
A decade ago, Rep. Elton Gallegly, R-Thousand Oaks, ran into similar problems when he asked the military for planes to help fight wildfires. But the federal government sat on the request for nearly 24 hours as federal fire agencies complied with the Economy Act.
"He could see the hills of Malibu burning, and here he was standing next to these planes that could have been used," said Tom Pfeifer, communications director for Gallegly.
Gallegly, working with Colorado's Hefley, has a measure that would allow fire authorities to waive the requirement to try civilian planes before calling on military ones. It is now part of a Defense Department authorization bill that has passed the House. The congressmen have asked Hunter, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, to ensure it survives negotiations with the Senate.
But some Senate Republicans are fighting the plan because they believe the government should not interfere in work that private businesses can do.
"There's a lot of opposition to this from senators who've been called by private contractors who don't want to see this happen," said Hunter, who supports the plan.
Moreover, federal agencies such as the Bureau of Land Management and the U.S. Forest Service have fought the effort.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/fires/20031027-1549-cnsairtankers.html |
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mark sky
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Tue Oct 28, 2003 5:33 am
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sounds readly familiar
they burned a half a million acres next door to me last year
it's toast, everything is dead
the wings were falling of the fire stopping tankers, and they had to be grounded
but "invisible" tankers were dumping fire enhanseing substance
upwind the whole time
i wish you well
try not to see anymore than you can handle
rain would be an act of GOD
but GOD is not welcome in this country anymore
unlike "the antitesis of God"
God tends to leave when asked
the two tankers i read about when we were burning
were Russian 4 engine jets
capable of scooping up water from the ocean
on the fly
i thought they were publically owned by LA county?
fire "policy" hand in hand with eugenics policy
wrighten in the sky for all to see
flamible polymer webs decend
availible mouister accends
carried to flood
annother place
WW III happening
right in front of the face
old allies mental and all that |
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halva
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Wed Oct 29, 2003 2:03 pm
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Someone might like to take up this at cicdd. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cicdd/message/8457
There's not much point just posting a reply here. It is possible to register there and try to make a bit of a dent in his denial mechanism.
From: "johnsuhr2003"
Date: Tue Oct 28, 2003 7:43 pm
Subject: San Diego wildfires
Take it from me as I'm on the scene: there were absolutely no chemtrails and they have nothing whatever to do with the fires.
There was an airshow at Miramar Marine airbase with some of the planes using smoke similar to sky writers as part of their acrobatics for two days - a week back. Perfectly harmless.
The problem is extreme dryness - 6 months with no significant rain - and tinder dry desert chaparral, which is very flammable. Also, many local firefighters had been transferred north to the San Bernadino
fires, and weren't available early Sunday when the fires started.
They have returned and equipment and manpower is now flowing in from Nevada and Arizona, as well as from the federal government.
The problem here now is the smoke, which makes it unpleasant to be outside. Onshore west winds are expected later today, however, which should clear it out. It's been calm since Sunday.
For an active fire map, please see:
http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/archive/cgb2003301_0700.jpg
It's 1.8MB, but would be worth the wait if you're interested in such things. Also, the topo map of California/Nevada is the best I've seen. Apparently it's updated daily, so you can follow progress of containing the fires.
Fires are common here this time of year; these are just more extensive than usual. Some probably are arson. The Cedar fire
evidently was set by a lost hunter in the mountains to signal his location - an illegal act. Obviously it got well out of hand. Needless to say, he's in major trouble.
There are already complaints that the government botched the early containment of the fires - poor planning and excessive bureaucratic red tape, etc. EDD (electronic direct democracy W.H.) could help relieve those problems.
John Suhr
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ScaredForTheFuture
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Wed Oct 29, 2003 4:57 pm
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I heard through a friend that we don't want to use our defense reserves just in case this has anything to do with terrorism. Hmm, I guess using a stretch of the imagination that's plausable. -?
I would only blame chemtrails in that it's been SO HOT here and dry.. completely rainless. it's middle of october and we've been having 90+ degree days. insanity.
Today is our first break as the forecast is mid 70's. I'll believe it when I feel it. I love CA, this is my native state, but if the weather continues to be in the 90's and 100's until the Winter months, I might have to relocate after 37 years of living here.
To be fair, the reports do say this is the first time in 70 years that we've had abnormal weather like this. Yes, and it's been 70 years since we've ever seen heavy chemtrail action like in the past year as well... hmmmmmmm. |
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Catnip57
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Mon Nov 03, 2003 8:31 pm
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Quote:
"When it comes to public safety, we should be able to use all the resources available to us."
Seems to me that public safety is becoming something of no major importance..... we’ve got all kinds of resources and money available for fighting a war.. But heaven help us if we need help in this country.
But before fire agencies could call on the military planes, the Economy Act of 1932 first required them to exhaust the possibilities for using private aircraft. Congress passed the act during the Depression to try to protect civilian jobs.
There's a fairly substantial bureaucracy that works against us when time is of the essence," Hunter said. "The Economy Act complicates things, and it takes a long time."
Okay... this is insane... what the heck have politicians been doing all this time? 1932 ... are they kidding?.... I guess it’s better to just let the whole area go up in smoke rather than change a law that’s been around since the thirty’s.... sheesh.
A decade ago, Rep. Elton Gallegly, R-Thousand Oaks, ran into similar problems when he asked the military for planes to help fight wildfires. But the federal government sat on the request for nearly 24 hours as federal fire agencies complied with the Economy Act.
It’s not like this situation hasn’t happened before... what’s it going to take to get some arcane old law changed? I thought the military was supported by the taxpayers... is it too much for taxpayers to expect some help from that same military in times of crisis? Is this the wave of the future? We’ve become so entrenched in bureaucratic red tape and fighting amongst ourselves... what happens if something more serious happens... like a bomb gets dropped on us? What kind of emergency plans will take effect?
Oh I know... the same stand down commands that happened during 911 will be issued by those in charge... yep... don’t send out the fighter jets... they’d rather have destruction and mayhem rather than immediate control of a lethal situation. For what it’s worth ... my opinion of this situation is that this is perhaps just the tip of the ice berg when it comes to resolving serious crisis in this country... if we can’t do any better than this... look out...
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