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Flouride "Stoned Salmon"
or does no one care about the mammel HUMAN?
from> http://www.peter.unmack.net/archive/acn/acnlmar01/0007.html
stoned salmon
Jay DeLong (thirdwind@att.net)
Thu, 29 Mar 2001 06:26:10 -0800
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Within the Oregon state legislature this year, a senate bill has been
introduced that could force most of the state to fluoridate. Nick
Budnick of the Willamette Week details concerns about fluoridation and
how it affects salmon:
http://www.wweek.com/html2/environment.html
Willamette Week, Portland Oregon
ENVIRONMENT
STONED SALMON,
PISSED ENVIRONMENTALISTS
Spurred by fish concerns, enviros are sounding the alarm over an
innocuous-sounding chemical.
by NICK BUDNICK
nbudnick@wweek.com
Paul Engelking sadly explains why he dropped one of his favorite
pastimes. "The fish have enough problems," he says, "without me trying
to put them on a hook."
Engelking, a chemistry professor at the University of Oregon, can walk
you down the familiar list: destruction of habitat by loggers, toxic
runoff from cities, fertilizers and pesticides from farms.
And now this: fluoride.
Engelking is the scientific muscle behind a number of environmentalists
opposing Senate Bill 99, a bill that would mandate adding the
cavity-fighting chemical to Oregon's supplies of drinking water.
The enviros have nothing against healthy teeth. They're simply
questioning whether the perceived benefits of water fluoridation are
worth the risk it poses to fish--particularly salmon.
"My concern about fluoridation is this is just one more nail in the
coffin," says Engelking. "And there are a lot of other people lining up
to put nails in. It will be a miracle if we go another 50 years and
still have a salmon run in Oregon."
Fragile, heroic and breathtakingly beautiful, salmon are the Jodie
Foster of the fish world. The numbers of chinook and coho salmon have
plummeted in the Northwest since the turn of the century. In 1999, with
nine Northwestern runs of salmon and steelhead on the brink of
extinction, the federal government placed them on the endangered species
list.
Gov. John Kitzhaber has made salmon recovery a priority; Mayor Vera Katz
used her State of the City address to designate Willamette River
recovery a priority, citing a goal of "abundant salmon."
Engelking argues that such goals will be undermined if lawmakers pass
SB99, a seemingly innocuous measure to add fluoride to Oregon's drinking
water. It's an argument that fluoridation proponents dismiss as sheer
lunacy.
"There have been no studies to say this has been detrimental to fish
life," asserts Dr. H. Whitney Payne, the state dental director who has
been spearheading SB99.
In reality, however, there have been several studies saying just that,
including one in Oregon that dates back nearly 20 years. The studies
have found that even small amounts of fluoride, which is an anaesthetic,
make fish, particularly salmon and rainbow trout, dazed and stupid
(well, more stupid). And scientists say the hazards are much greater in
Northwestern states.
John Stein, a National Marine Fisheries Service ecotoxicologist in
Seattle, says water in western Oregon and Washington is unusually
"soft," a quality that increases the amount of fluoride absorbed by the
fish that swim in it. "Fluoride is pretty toxic, and the softer the
water, the more toxic it is," says Stein, who heads the environmental
conservation division at the NMFS's Northwest Fisheries Science Center.
Fluoride's threat to salmon is taken so seriously in Canada that British
Columbia set a special soft-water standard of 0.2 parts per million. Les
Swain, water quality manager of the B.C. Ministry of Environment, says
some of the most compelling evidence for that decision came from Oregon.
Between 1982 and 1986, Douglas Dey and a fellow NMFS biologist conducted
a groundbreaking study of fluoride's environmental effects at the John
Day Dam on the Columbia River. His study won an award from the American
Fisheries Society, an association of fisheries biologists.
Dey set out to solve a mystery. Why were so many salmon dying at the
dam?
He discovered that low levels of fluoride emitted by an aluminum smelter
upstream were making the salmon too stoned and lethargic to climb fish
ladders. It took the dazed critters about a week to traverse the dam,
compared to the usual one day--and more than 50 percent of the salmon
died before making the trip.
Once the smelter above the dam was forced to reduce its fluoride
emissions, the salmon death rate was cut by a factor of 10. Subsequent
studies confirmed fluoride's effects and found that salmon, when given a
choice, avoid fluoridated waterways, says Dey.
"It's a serious problem when the salmon can't even negotiate the fishway
because of a very small amount of toxin," says Bill Bakke, a founder of
Oregon Trout who currently heads the Native Fish Society of Oregon.
Bakke, one of the few environmentalists contacted by WW who had heard of
Dey's study, opposes SB99, saying that the risk posed by fluoridation
"can't be tolerated if we're going to recover the fish."
The idea behind fluoridating water is that whenever we quench our thirst
from the tap, we'll slow down the cavity-causing bacteria in our mouth.
The problem is that 99 percent of the fluoride goes right down the drain
and into our rivers, as sewage-treatment plants don't remove the
chemical. Studies have shown that sewage plants in fluoridated
communities can emit fluoride at about 1.2 parts per million--six times
the level allowed in British Columbia.
Although the fluoride is diluted well downstream, our major rivers
already have traces of fluoride from sources that include smelters and
microchip factories. Engelking's testing on the Willamette River, for
example, has found levels of fluoride at 0.1 and 0.2 ppm, already
pushing what salmon can handle.
Engelking is especially worried that tributaries, key to salmon
spawning, would hold higher concentrations of fluoride because there
would be less dilution. The Tualatin River, for example, already tests
as high as 0.5 ppm fluoride.
Travis Williams, executive director of Willamette Riverkeeper, says the
risks to salmon should be balanced against doubts over the effectiveness
of fluoridation. In the last six months, a British government study,
considered the most comprehensive fluoride review ever, echoed a
Canadian government study in saying the benefits of fluoridation and
evidence for its safety are much less than previously thought.
It prompted an ABC News commentary which proclaimed that "the required
level of evidence is just not there" to make the case for fluoridation.
"It makes you wonder," says Williams. "Would we get a better bang for
the buck if kids got free toothpaste, with better education to brush
every day?"
Williams isn't the only one posing such questions. Elisa Dozono,
spokeswoman for Mayor Vera Katz, says lawmakers need to look at Dey's
study as they consider SB99. "The mayor is concerned about this," she
says, "and believes that if there could be an impact on Portland's fish
recovery efforts, it should be part of the discussion."
Gov. John Kitzhaber has not taken a position on the bill.
--
Jay DeLong
Olympia, WA
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mark sky
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the WHO (Whirled "health" ORGANIZATION)
has stepped up to the plate with an advisory
keep below 0.2 PPB parts per BILLION
along come the otters
talking PPM parts per million
the difference a mear thousand fold
care for the cold blooded while facilitating
the demize of the warm blooded species
is an obvious clue
while global warming is implemented
blame COtwo while dumping SF six in OK CITY studies
these have all been done before
other planets elsewhere
the results are predictable
more flouride makes it more paLitable
for the mass equasion
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mark sky
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Drinking water floridation, uranium proceesing, floride,aluminum smelting, and dredgeing kill fish http://www.sonic.net/kryptox/environ/s/sediment.htm
ANNE ANDERSON, RPN
PO Box 5525, Bellingham WA 98227
Tel/Fax: 360 758 7133
February 17, 2000
Northwest Environmental Advocates
133 SW 2nd Avenue Suite 302
Portland OR 97204
Attn: Nina Bell
Re: Columbia River - sediment contamination
Dear Nina Bell;
I spoke to you this morning regarding the lawsuit filed to halt dredging of the Columbia River. Please consider the enclosed information.
One contaminant that is given little if no publicity is fluoride. It is stated that fluoride in sediment may persist for several millions of years. Therefore, the presence of this pollutant in sediment must be given careful consideration as dredging may disturb many tons that have accumulated over time. Studies both in the laboratory and in the field in the Columbia River point to a concentration of 0.2 mg fluoride per liter (ppm) as being the critical upper level for the survival of salmon species at various stages of their life cycle. In addition, many organisms that provide feed are adversely effected by fluoride.
Over the years, fluoride has entered the Columbia River in large quantities from numerous sources. The smelter and phosphate fertilizer operation in Trail, British Columbia has been a major offender as well as aluminum manufacturing plants on the Columbia and Snake Rivers. The preparation of uranium isotopes for use in the atomic bomb released large quantities of fluoride into the environment. Whether or not Hanford was involved at this stage of preparation of materials for the bomb is not known to me; but, should be investigated.
One source of fluoride that is downplayed is the practice of adding fluoride to municipal drinking water supplies in the process of fluoridation. There are now a number of communities along the banks of the Columbia and Snake Rivers that have adopted this practice. This Session of the Washington State legislature has seen the 4th attempt to pass a Bill for mandatory fluoridation of all water supplies serving more that 1,000 customers.
The products most often used to provide the fluoride ion are fluosilicates (hydrofluosilicic acid or sodium silicofluoride (powdered form). These are toxic wastes that are removed from the stacks of the phosphoric acid and phosphate fertilizer industries and introduced directly into the drinking water supply. It is bizarre that these products are now banned from ocean dumping by international agreement and, if not sold as fluoridation agents, must be neutralized and disposed in an approved toxic waste site.
It can be shown that surface run-off into storm sewers etc. from such procedures as fire fighting, car washing, garden sprinkling from a fluoridated community are very much higher than the 0.2 mg fluoride per liter found critical to salmon survival. Typically, drinking water is fluoridated to reach a concentration of 0.7- 1.2 mg fluoride /L. The concentration of fluoride entering the fresh water ecosystem from sewage treatment plants of fluoridated communities is also much higher than the critical level. Sewage sludge, frequently placed on agricultural land and some forestry operations, can deliver fluoride to the fresh water environment by leaching into surface and ground water.
The contribution of fluoride to the demise of salmon species on the Columbia and other rivers in the Pacific Northwest and British Columbia Canada is downplayed. But, the fact remains that over time many tons have ended up in sediment. When it is known that this pollutant can persist for millions of years the threat is obvious. There is a case in Newfoundland where fluoride contributed by a phosphoric acid plant accumulated in sediment contributed to a massive fish-kill when the sediment was dredged to make way for a larger dock (I have mislaid my paper on this event but will send it when located). Let it not happen here!
Every source of fluoride must be identified and controlled. The contribution of one source, the deliberate addition of toxic waste into drinking water in the process of fluoridation, is estimated to be second only to the manufacture of phosphate fertilizer and ahead of aluminum smelting. We would like your support in banning this procedure on the grounds that it is an environmental issue.
I look forward to your reply.
Sincerely, Anne Anderson, RPN
This is an electronic copy for informational purposes.
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2002 - As a result of research into molecular biology ("the art of cloning") there are hundreds upon hundreds of studies available documenting the actions of fluorides upon G proteins, the "On" and "Off" switches involved in cellular signal transmission.
During the 1980s and 1990s fluorides become known as the universal G-protein activator. Although there have been numerous studies before showing that fluorides act like TSH, the thyroid-stimulating-hormone - as seen above -, it can now be documented in deep detail, for it is known that G proteins in thyroid physiology are normally absolutely dependent on TSH and are inactive without it. TSH is the master, sometimes also referred to as the “first violinist in the orchestra”.
The TSH receptor is the only receptor known able to activate all G protein families, an activity directly imitated by fluoride.
http://bruha.com/pfpc/html/thyroid_history.html
snip>>>At this particular moment, you may not be wondering how this all works inside your cells, but it's been a question for scientists since hormones were first isolated. In the early part of this century, scientists knew that a hormone, such as adrenaline, would signal a response in the cell--"release glucose into the blood." But how exactly that message was translated through the cell wall was unclear--at the time they thought it worked in one turn, like a lock and key.
But the Nobel-prize winning work of Martin Rodbell proved that there is a lot more going on--a series of switches have to be thrown chemically in order for the message to get passed along.
A key to those chemical switches are G proteins.
And if something is wrong with this process, such as leaving the switch "on" or "off" for too long, there is trouble. Scientists now know that cholera alters the G proteins, leaving the switch "on" for too long, which prevents the normal absorption of salt and water in the intestines--leading to dehydration or even death.
Diabetes and alcoholism are thought to be caused, in part, by G protein malfunction, and scientists have also traced a form of pituitary cancer to impaired G proteins. While G protein research has not yet let to a miracle cure, the discovery may lead to eventual treatments.
http://www.washington.edu/alumni/co...ll_sidebar.html
This is a website about fluoride.
Perhaps more accurately, it is a website informing on fluoride toxicity.
It is mainly about fluoride poisoning occurring in our children - from any and all sources - be it soy products, toothpaste or other oral dental products, fluoride tablets, tea, air pollution, vaccine contamination, groundwater pollution, household products, contaminated beverages and food products, fluoridated salt or milk, anesthetics, mattresses emitting fluoride gases, Scotchgard, Teflon, antibiotics, as well as the fluoridation of public water supplies.
You can see pictures of crippled kids and adults and learn about the massive fluoride poisoning from industry pollution occurring in India and many other countries.
On this and associated websites there are links to over 60,000 studies from peer-reviewed scientific journals from around the globe, detailing fluoride toxicity, defining and detailing biochemical pathways involved in the development of various diseases, including “dental fluorosis”, various cancers and underlying thyroid hormone dysfunction, Alzheimer’s Disease, Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD), and many more.
Another website is devoted to scientific literature.
There is info on the damage done by fluoride to the environment, to animals and to plants.
There is also info on fluoride in drugs.
"Though apparently vague and non-specific, most of the symptoms of Fluoride toxicity point towards some kind of profound metabolic dysfunction, and are strikingly similar to the symptoms of Hypothyroidism."
(University of Western Ontario, 2002)
As we are convinced that all fluoride toxicity is related to disturbances caused in thyroid hormone activity we have devoted many pages to the long-observed “fluoride-iodine” antagonism, including a very detailed history page. Tables are provided highlighting the biochemical evidence..
Soon there will be a resource page for parents, treatment options, a true toxicological profile on fluorides, and much more.
http://bruha.com/pfpc/
What are G q/11 proteins?
G q/11 proteins are membrane-associated proteins involved in signal transduction - the way cells communicate with each other.
Gq/11-regulated pathways have profound effects not only on the pathology of chronic inflammation overall, but especially cancer, heart disease, stroke, diabetes mellitus, Alzheimer's Disease, Autism, etc. - in short - all those conditions which represent the most significant health care problems in the developed world today.
(my note~ studies also on chronic wasting disease in animals and encephalomyopathy in humans)
The diseases linked to pathways mediated by G protein Gq/11:
adenocarcinoma, leukemia, lymphoma, melanoma, myeloma, sarcoma, teratocarcinoma, and cancers of the adrenal gland, bladder, bone, brain, breast, cervix, gall bladder, ganglia, gastrointestinal tract, heart, kidney, liver, lung, bone marrow, muscle, ovary, pancreas, parathyroid, penis, prostate, salivary glands, skin, spleen, testis, thymus, thyroid, and uterus; and immune disorders such as AIDS, Addison's disease, adult respiratory distress syndrome, allergies, anemia, asthma, atherosclerosis, bronchitis, cholecystitus, Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, atopic dermatitis, dermatomyositis, diabetes mellitus, emphysema, atrophic gastritis, glomerulonephritis, gout, Graves' disease, hypereosinophilia, irritable bowel syndrome, lupus erythematosus, multiple sclerosis, myasthenia gravis, myocardial or pericardial inflammation, osteoarthritis, osteoporosis, pancreatitis, polymyositis, rheumatoid arthritis, scleroderma, Sjogren's syndrome, and thyroiditis.
Fluorides are most-established Gq/11 activators, ensuring a firm and most-important role in all of the above diseases.
http://64.177.90.157/science/html/gq_11.html
IGF-1 and fluoride
Many compounds, including dyes, fluorides, etc. have been registered in patents for their capability to mimic the physiological activity of insulin or insulin-like growth factor (IGF-1). Of all, fluorides are truly the most prevalent.
http://64.177.90.157/science/html/igf-1.html
The brain
Alterations in thyroid hormone level or responsivity to thyroid hormone have significant neurologic consequences throughout the life cycle. >>>
Those with an underlying disorder of thyroid hormone homeostasis or mitochondrial function may be at greater risk for developing cognitive, motor, or metabolic dysfunction upon exposure to fluorides which alter thyroid hormone economy.
All fluoride compounds - organic and inorganic - are shown to interfere with thyroid hormone action and thus may affect the developing and mature brain.
Alterations in thyroid hormone level result in differing expression of mitochondrial genes. Mutations in these mitochondrial genes lead to well-recognized syndromes of encephalomyopathy, myopathy, and multisystem disorder.
http://64.177.90.157/science/html/brain.html
"Thus, fluoride balance and tissue concentrations and the risk of fluorosis are increased by factors such as ...residence at high altitude, and certain metabolic and respiratory disorders that decrease pH." (Ed.: -> such as caused by iodine deficiency...)
"It has been found that the retention and tissue levels of fluoride are increased by residence at high altitude. It has also been found that, in the absence of fluoride exposure, residence at high altitude per se can have a profound disruptive effect on amelogenesis which could be confused with fluorosis." (-> iodine deficiency)
http://64.177.90.157/science/html/altitude.html
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February 10, 2003
Elevated Fluoride Levels Found
Water quality tests conducted Dec. 11 on the University's water system found the public water supply had a fluoride level of 5.6 milligrams per liter, higher than the maximum contaminant level for fluoride of 4.0 milligrams per liter.
The finding constitutes a Tier I violation of the Regulations of Connecticut State Agencies.
UConn officials have revised the system's pumping schedule to correct the violation, says Michael Curran, utilities manager in UConn's facilities department.
Some people who drink water containing fluoride in excess of the maximum contaminant level over many years could get bone disease, including pain and tenderness of the bones. Fluoride in drinking water at half the maximum contaminant level or more may cause mottling of children's teeth, usually in children less than nine years old. Mottling, also known as dental fluorosis, may include brown staining and/or pitting of the teeth, and occurs only in developing teeth before they erupt from the gums.
At this time, the state Department of Health says, no additional precautions by customers/residents are necessary. Anybody with questions is asked to contact the Department of Environmental Health and Safety at 860.486.3613.
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Flu oride SF6 Warming
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FROM> www.100megsfree4.com/fars...jd0328.htm
by James Donahue
Another By-Product of Fluoride; Deadly Greenhouse Gas - SF6
My recent story about fluoride poisoning prompted a lot of mail. One especially interesting letter from a woman in the United Kingdom opened my eyes to yet another problem stemming from the industrial use of fluoride, which is a manufactured toxic gas.
The discovery was made that six parts of fluoride, combined with one part sulphur creates a gas known as SF6, which is being used to build "air cushioned" shoes, compressed canisters for blowing up automobile tires. The electric companies also are using the stuff, under the name sulfur hexafluoride, to insulate high voltage lines, circuit breakers and other equipment used in electricity transmission. The gas escapes through seals and is released when equipment is damaged. Older circuit breakers are found to leak the gas at a faster rate than new equipment.
SF6 emissions also escape into the atmosphere during the production of magnesium and the casting of magnesium parts, one report noted. The story said producers of magnesium ingots and die-cast magnesium parts, now popular in automobile production, use the gas to prevent rapid oxidation when molten metal comes into direct contact with air.
Some people believe the gas is being used secretly in military equipment. It is on list of chemicals used in weapons and for military purposes.
So why should this information be of interest to us? It is because SF6 is found to be an extremely stable gas, with a life span of at least 3,000 years, and it traps a fantastic amount of heat. As it escapes into the Earth's atmosphere, it becomes a deadly greenhouse gas that is a major contributor to the overall warming (and destruction) of the planet.
While officials assure us that the amount of emissions of SF6 is relatively low, scientists concerned about greenhouse gasses are beginning to believe there is more of it being released into the atmosphere than originally thought.
The gas has been found in samples taken by instrument-laden balloons 21 miles in the stratosphere, and even in air trapped under layers of Antarctic snow. That is shocking because fluoride did not exist in any quantity before the research started on atomic energy during World War II, and SF6 was not developed until sometime in the 1950s.
An article by Andreas Schuld, head of Parents of Fluoride Poisoned Children, charges that hundreds and thousands of tons of fluorides are being emitted yearly by industry.
"Industrial emissions of fluoride compounds produce elevated concentrations in the atmosphere. Hydrogen fluoride can exist as a particle, dissolving in clouds, fog, rain, dew or snow," Schuld wrote. "In clouds and moist air it will travel along the air currents until it is deposited as wet acid deposition (acid rain, acid fog, etc.) In waterways it readily mixes with water."
Schuld goes on to warn that "Sulfur hexafluoride (SF6), emitted by the electric power industry, is now among six greenhouse gases specifically targeted by the international community, through the Kyoto protocol, for emission reductions to control global warming. . .
"SF6 is about 23,900 times more destructive, pound for pound, than carbon dioxide over the course of 100 years. EPA estimates that some seven-million metric tons of carbon equivalent (MMTCE) escaped from electric power systems in 1996 alone. The concentration of SF6 in the atmosphere has reportedly increased by two orders of magnitude since 1970."
It appears that the human race has been on a death trip ever since American scientists produced the atomic bomb. This weapon and its by-products have been more destructive than anyone ever imagined.
See also: The Great Fluoride Scam
Honey Well diversity Carpet industry?
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from> www.beloitdailynews.com/700/3ill24.htm
Honeywell plant looking to stay afloat
METROPOLIS, Ill. (AP) _ Officials at a Honeywell plant in southern Illinois that produces a uranium byproduct used in nuclear fuel are diversifying the chemicals they produce in an attempt to counter financial troubles caused by a worldwide glut in uranium products.
The byproduct, called uranium hexafluoride or UF6, accounts for only a fraction of Honeywell's $24 billion in annual sales worldwide.
The heavily diversified firm, which merged with Allied Signal last year, has more than a third of its sales in the aerospace industry.
Still, the Metropolis workers' main task is to convert natural uranium to UF6, a raw product used to enrich uranium for use in nuclear fuel.
In the two years since Bill Lessig became plant manager, the price for converting a kilogram of UF6 has fallen from $5.50 to $2.50 in a market glutted with foreign competitors.
``This is a classic supply-and-demand case _ too much supply and not enough demand,'' Lessig said.
``What do you do? The price goes down and down and down.''
Last year, 50 employees were cut, leaving 340 others at the Honeywell Specialty Chemicals plant _ the only plant of its kind left in the United States.
UF6 production also was cut by 25 percent.
Last month, Congress urged President Clinton and Energy Secretary Bill Richardson to take action to help bail out the troubled UF6 industry.
Unlike its foreign competitors, Honeywell receives no government help and is involved in only one step in the fuel cycle, Lessig said.
Government-backed firms have subsidies and other business to compensate for conversion losses, he said.
In the meantime, officials at the Honeywell plant are concentrating on expanding business unrelated to UF6.
That includes three new products: sulfur hexafluoride, used mainly as an insulator by electric utilities, and iodine pentafluoride and antimony pentafluoride.
These are chemicals used in the carpet industry.
``We don't know what's going to happen with the UF6 business and we're not going to depend on that,'' Lessig said.
In addition to the new products, he said the company would also concentrate on finding new ways to use fluorine.
Fluorine is another chemical the company produces in Metropolis.
Workers at the Paper, Allied-Industrial, Chemical & Energy Workers International Union have helped the company lobby for federal assistance.
Meanwhile, Honeywell signed a four-year contract with improved wages and benefits for workers last month.
But Lessig said keeping morale up has been ``challenging.''
If the plant doesn't get federal assistance, he said Honeywell may be forced to lay off another 270 workers if the company decides to halt UF6 production.
That could also mean hard times for a Department of Energy plant in Paducah, Ky., that uses Honeywell's UF6.
The Paducah plant's sister plant near Portsmouth, Ohio, is already scheduled to close next year.
``It's a very sobering situation,'' Lessig said.
``We're talking about all our livelihoods here. I think everybody's aware of that. So we're trying to make the best out of a bad situation.''
"protected pollutant"
from> www.sonic.net/kryptox/env...roform.htm
Answer to question on fluorocarbons and global warming
by Andreas Schuld
August 27, 2001
Question: Last year we studied flourocarbons in school in environmental studies. Nobody ever said anything about the fluoride in there and we never talked about fluoroform. do you know why the US ...
Dear Klara,
Not too surprising... Fluoride is called the "protected pollutant". Hardly anybody is aware of what it does to our health and our environment.
you might find the following interesting:
FROM: The Atmospheric Radiation Measurement Program, U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) "Professor Polar Bear" - Educational Site
ChloroFluoroCarbons [CFCs]
"Unlike some other greenhouse gases [nitrous oxide, methane, and carbon dioxide] CFCs [chlorofluorocarbons] do not occur in nature. They are humanly-created molecules ' used in industry for air conditioning, refrigeration, electronics, packaging, and foams. When these molecules leak into the air, they are very effective at trapping heat.
When they drift up through the atmosphere, they also destroy molecules in part of the upper atmosphere [the ozone layer].
Because CFCs are now known to break down the ozone layer, many countries have agreed to phase out their production. That is the good news. Unfortunately, some of the new substitutes for CFCs still trap heat. Furthermore, they have long lifetimes in the atmosphere. So even though they do not destroy ozone, they still contribute to global warming. That is the bad news. Fortunately, environmentally-safe alternatives to CFCs do exist. Although they are not yet used by many manufacturers, water-and helium-based technologies might some day replace CFCs.
Yet another surprise is in store! Because of the growing concern over the ozone layer and the role played by CFCs, manufacturers of refrigerators, and air-conditioners, in recent years have been persuaded to switch to the use of the more ozone-friendly HCFC-22, a hydrofluorocarbon.
Ironically, only in the early weeks of 1998, following a re-analysis of the archived air samples collected at Cape Grim on the north west coast of Tasmania, was it discovered that the atmosphere probably contains 135 000 ton's of fluoroform, a previously unnoticed greenhouse gas with a global warming potential some 10 000 times greater than that of carbon dioxide, although of course it is present in much smaller quantities.
Nevertheless, scientists in the University of East Anglia in the UK calculate that the current volume of fluoroform in the atmosphere has a global warming potential of 1.6 billion ton's of carbon dioxide, or three times the annual emissions of carbon dioxide in Britain. Fluoroform is said to be increasing at the rate of 5 per cent each year so that it cannot be ignored.
The connection with refrigeration is that fluoroform, HFC-23, unfortunately is a waste byproduct of the manufacture of HCFC-22. It is used for a variety of purposes in its own right in industry including the lubrication of computer disks. Ironically again, the information became available just after the intergovernmental meeting in late 1997 at Kyoto, Japan, so that the agreement on practices to limit the release of greenhouse gases reached at that meeting, of necessity completely ignored this newly-discovered danger. This was Grim news in more ways than one.
So we have found yet another example of the difficulties involved in curing the ills of the environment. Here, as in many other cases we have not cured the problem of CFCs. We have merely shifted the problem into another area."
www.arm.gov/docs/education/background/cfc.htm
Out of the six gases specifically targeted by the international community - through the Kyoto protocol - for emission reductions, three are fluoride gases. They are
sulfur hexafluoride (SF6)
hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs)
perfluorocarbons (PFCs)
The other three are carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide (N2O).
Sulfur hexafluoride (SF6) is about 23,900 times more destructive, pound for pound, than carbon dioxide over the course of 100 years.
The electric power industry apparently accounts for most of the 6,500 to 7,000 metric tons produced worldwide each year.
The EPA estimates that some seven-million metric tons of carbon equivalent (MMTCE) escaped from electric power systems emitting SF6 in 1996 alone.
Perfluorocarbons are compounds composed of carbon and fluorine. PFC emissions are not regulated, although their high GWP (Global Warming Potential) has now been recognized. [ 6,500 for perfluoromethane (CF4) and 9,200 for perfluoroethane (C2F6)]
The principle source of PFCs is from aluminum smelting.
The EPA estimates U.S. emissions in aluminum production at 1,420 metric tons of perfluoromethane and 120 tons of perfluoroethane in 1998. U.S. aluminum production has been increasing since 1994, so figures are expected to go up.
For more on fluoride gases in global warming, please see: www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/1605...gases.html
On Dec. 20, 2000 President George W. Bush selected Paul O'Neill, the chairman of aluminum maker Alcoa Inc., to become the U.S. Treasury secretary.
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increase 1776
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Fri Nov 14, 2003 3:39 am
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How can we reverse the affects ? Are there any ways of flushing this poison out of our systems?
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mark sky
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Fri Nov 14, 2003 6:58 am
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from my limited conciouseness ~ these daze
the alternative is to flush the F ion via
(1) reduce intake
(2) dilute and excreate
under one, you would not drink municiple water, nor drink bottled water, unless you were assured that it was absolutly distilled, and did not have fluoride ADDED after distillation.
Because Fluoride is OFTEN added after distillation, one should probably distill their own water.
Also, all food products that are processed in a FLUORDATED city will concentrate the fluoride from the water into the food product, you get inputs from these sources.
canned and bottled stuff most of all.
There seems to be some "antagonism" beween the ions of iodine and fluorine
both cousins on the periodic table
so it might be worth while to
antagonize fluoride for all its worth
IE supplement the equasion to your favor.
There is a long list of foods that accumulate fluoride given above to avoid
organic foods are no quarenty as sodium silica floride "cryolite" is considered a mineral organic pesticide which is used in 50 # per acre doses
and many new pesticicides are now
"suprize"
loaded with fluoride in the molecule
for no legitimate reason
other than to...
and on to part two
"excrete"
drink a whole lot of pure water
piss a lot
Part Three is the hardest
you must witness those that appear to be humans
poisoning the earth
while no one seems to notice
think you are up to it?
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increase 1776
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Fri Nov 14, 2003 7:54 am
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Thanks for the reply mark sky.and good research work.PartIII Been watching for a few years now and caught alot of flack along the way[loved ones,friends,etc.]Here in Hood River,Or.the city held hearings on putting that fine aluminum waste product in the drinking water and the people said no.If I'm not mistaken,the public schools here have the students take fluoride in pill form.Not sure how often they dispense it.For three years been trying to educate my daughter on the danger of fluoride. After all ,I'm the wacko watching the clouds all the time.Grandaughter now attends private school. |
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mark sky
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Sat Nov 15, 2003 1:18 am
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heck, with all the aluminum smelters along the Columbia river AND the Hanford nuclear national monument just up stream from Hood River, I can't imagine why your town would want to add MORE fluoride.The schools often will use a "swash" of fluoride, they are suppost to spit it out, but many don't. There have been deaths from these treatments.
Somewhere we have a list of all the bottled water brands and their F content. They ranged from 0.4 to over 100 parts per million. Beer made in fluoridated citys also has F, and F interfears with wine making because it kills the fermentation over about 14 ppm.They use Cryolite (F) on grapes so they had some trouble with that already. |
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increase 1776
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Sat Nov 15, 2003 3:13 am
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We are still getting our water from springs up on Mt. Hood,not from the Columbia river.
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Jim Phelps
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Mon Dec 01, 2003 5:16 pm
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Hello SuckingEggs and Mark Sky,
It is good to see that you all are looking into the issues of fluoride and the health effects, because this is one of the principle effects that drive the use of chemtrails.
Chemtrails use very finely divided metal compounds to get surface areas to be very large similar to colloid metal techniques.
The metal compounds, like aluminum oxide, then react with the acids in the air to pull down things like HF and some of it combines with the sulfuric to make the cloud seeding used to reduce the solar radiance on the surface.
The techniques also go to reduce the levels of erosion on airplane aluminum skins and to lower the acid effects on rivets, which is highly tied to aircraft failure and service lifetime.
It is very good to see that you have picked up on the importance of the Pineal Gland in the fluoride health effects on humans. It is the effects of fluorides that alter the Melatonin and Seritonin, which drives many health effects from mental illness, rise in violence levels, to that of obesity. Fluorides damage these hormones and cause problems in the general population.
One of the key mechanism effects to notice from fluorides in the environment, is that fluorides alter the trace metals pick up into plants. Fluorides react in soils to make the beneficial trace metals less soluble or less bioavailable, and it makes the harmfull trace metals more soluble or more bioavailable. Look at some of the fluoride-metal solubilities in water, pH 7, in Hawley's Condensed Chemical Dictionary to see the effect.
Then look at some of the effects of some of the benefical colloid metals on the Pineal Gland, ie Gold and Silver colloids.
The key to the suspension times in air for the chemtrail metals is in the colloid like effects in air.
Keep up the good research work, good job,
Jim Phelps |
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