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letxa2000
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Chemtrails? follow-up
 Thu Jan 15, 2004 6:15 am
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Great... my thread was transferred to a forum I can't post to. Oh well. |
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Boomer Chick
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Thu Jan 15, 2004 6:29 am
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Retitle your thread to "questions!" -- then we can respond! "Chemtrails" belongs in the chemtrail thread!
Guess who? LOL!
Here's a good intro site! http://www.educate-yourself.org/ct/
Here's another great information packed site with documents, testimonies, and all other kinds of corroborating evidence! http://www.carnicom.com
This should keep you busy! When you get through in a couple of weeks, post back and tell us what you think, OK?
Please let's not debate every article you find. You must sift through them by yourself like I did and just about everyone else on this board did. Try to stay objective and try not to make judgments until you've read at least ten articles! OK?
I'm trying to help you here, Letxa! I too, was not informed on chemtrails and until I did the work on getting informed, I was doubtful, too!
Peace,
bc
ps, Don't judge the sites because you read at the top about things you doubt or don't understand. Just read the links offered on chemtrails and let the rest go, OK? Be focused!
Sorry you're blocked from the CT thread. It'll take time. We all go through it.
E-mail Thermit, the webmaster and ask if you can talk about chemtrails in this thread, OK?
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letxa2000
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Fri Jan 16, 2004 3:06 am
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I've continued to look at chemtrail sites (quite a few of them)... but I still haven't found one that tells me how one differentiates a contrail from a chemtrail. Can anyone tell me, or provide a specific link to such an explanation? |
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letxa2000
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Fri Jan 16, 2004 3:14 am
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Just after I posted my previous message, I stumbled on one... http://www.rense.com/general4/fre.htm
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Chemtrails (CTs) look like contrails initially, but are much thicker, extend across the sky and are often laid down in varying patterns of Xs, tick-tack-toe grids, cross-hatched and parallel lines. Instead of quickly dissipating, chemtrails expand and drip feathers and mare s tails. In 30 minutes or less, they open into wispy formations which join together, forming a thin white veil or a "fake cirrus-type cloud" that persists for hours.
My question is... how is the above different than a contrail? Or do chemtrail believers believe that contrails can't do any of the above under any circumstance? |
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Mech
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Fri Jan 16, 2004 5:25 am
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This isn't the place to be discussing this but here is MY observations.
I know what normal "contrails" are.
Left usually by heavy "jumbo" turbofan aircraft.
Usually at 15,000 ft and above depending on how cold it is..sometimes higher and lower depending on the temperature.
The contrails usually dissipate withing a few minutes to a half hour.
Chemtrails (my opinion) seem to be at much lower altitudes, (8000 ft) leave sick, ugly fat trails which linger for hours and hours on end and sometimes morph into a disgusting haze that blocks out the whole sky.
My 2 cents.
Please take this discussion into the Chemtrails section. |
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letxa2000
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Fri Jan 16, 2004 4:34 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by Mech:
This isn't the place to be discussing this but here is MY observations. Please take this discussion into the Chemtrails section.
I don't have post access to the Chemtrails section, hence my posting here.
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Chemtrails (my opinion) seem to be at much lower altitudes, (8000 ft) leave sick, ugly fat trails which linger for hours and hours on end and sometimes morph into a disgusting haze that blocks out the whole sky.
Is the belief that normal contrails cannot do any of the above? And, from the ground, how does one determine that a given contrail/chemtrail is low (8000 feet) rather than high (22,000+ feet)? |
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Thermit
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Fri Jan 16, 2004 4:42 pm
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lexta2000,
One could use Flight Explorer to obtain that information for non-military flights.
You might be interested in this, if you haven't seen already...
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/report.shtml
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Sunny
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Fri Jan 16, 2004 7:11 pm
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Letxa2000: Telling the difference between con-and chemtrail. Three things:::Experience, Observation and Common sense. When you see three or more planes flying real close to one another, leaving three parallel lines that that won't dissipate, spread out, and get wispy abnormal chem mess sometimes accompanied by oil splashes in the sky you know ding dang well IT'S NOT NORMAL.
While sky watching you see an certain area of the sky being "worked" you will often see, with a flip of the switch, the chemtrails begin. When at the end of area another flip of the switch, chemtrails are shut off, with the plane continuing on leaving normal contrails, you know ding dang well ITS NOT NORMAL
These words do not even scratch the surface to describe the atrocities being done to our atmosphere. I do NOT believe for one minute that you don't know all about CHEMTRAILS. We are not ALL ignorant of this devious clandestine operation being carried out by the "elite wealthy" of this world bringing us ever closer to the ONE WORLD GOVT. that papa Bush spoke of when he was in office. Baby Bush, not as vocal carries out their a sneaky plans, is working to further the interests of the ONE WORLD GOVT. and the ruination of the United States of America. Well, I got some news for you, as an avid reader and ponderer of bible phophecy, it's all laid out in there, the end being that those whom our Creator considers worthy, will inherit the earth and all opposers will be but a brief and distant memory.
Prior to the war to end all wars we will have to go through a lot of negative and hurtful things like not being able to buy or sell unless having the mark of the beast. Persecution and maybe even death for some who uphold their Christian integrity. I do vow never to wimp out and deny the ONE who really owns the earth...
One last thing, a good deal of sickness is being experienced as a result of CHEMTRAILS. A guest on the night talk show Coast to Coast AM by the name of Steven Quayle brought out that in this country alone, respiratory diseases have risen from an average of 5 million a year to 30 million...The host George Nooney or whatever hastened to change the subject immediately as he subjects himself to media control...
You don't believe in CHEMTRAILS ? Stay outside often and breathe deeply and just maybe you'll get your proof. 
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Sunny on 01-16-2004] |
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jwnyc
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Fri Jan 16, 2004 8:00 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by letxa2000:
And, from the ground, how does one determine that a given contrail/chemtrail is low (8000 feet) rather than high (22,000+ feet)?
Probably cause you can see the cockpit windows clearly, and see what color hair the pilots have. The plane would be loud, also.
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letxa2000
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Fri Jan 16, 2004 8:49 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by Thermit:
One could use Flight Explorer to obtain that information for non-military flights.
It seems to me that Flight Explorer might be a good way to confirm a contrail, but since it doesn't contained military flights, some foreign flights, and no VFR flights it doesn't seem very useful for identifying those. And given the aircraft filtered from the FE datastream, not all non-listed flights are suspicious.
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You might be interested in this, if you haven't seen already...
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/report.shtml
It was the first thing I read when I first stumbled on this site. But it seems the report documents what could easily be called "long duration contrails." It does seem to show that there are some contrails that last longer than others, but that's not inherently surprising to me.
It's also not surprising that civilian aircraft that appear in Flight Explorer have similarly-behaving contrails since they generally fly the same routes at the same altitudes day after day. That is probably not as true of military aircraft that don't appear on FE.
One thing I noticed that seemed to be missing from the report is how many aircraft that were not listed on FE didn't leave any contrails? All the "highly persistent" contrails apparently didn't appear on FE, but how many planes that didn't appear on FE didn't leave any contrail at all? That's very important to consider.
In short, I haven't found any reason (yet) as to why anyone would call these "chemtrails" instead of "long duration contrails." Calling them chemtrails jumps to the conclusion is that they are somehow chemical even though every Chemtrail site I've found (so far) has recognized that no-one really knows what it is they're spraying (if indeed they're spraying something). If we're not even sure we know they're spraying, and if they're spraying we don't know what they're spraying, aren't we jumping to conclusions by calling them "chemtrails?"
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Originally posted by Sunny:
When you see three or more planes flying real close to one another, leaving three parallel lines that that won't dissipate, spread out, and get wispy abnormal chem mess sometimes accompanied by oil splashes in the sky you know ding dang well IT'S NOT NORMAL.
What's not normal about seeing (probably military) planes flying in formation? And what makes me think that any characteristics about their contrails are not adequately explained by atmospheric conditions at altitude?
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While sky watching you see an certain area of the sky being "worked" you will often see, with a flip of the switch, the chemtrails begin. When at the end of area another flip of the switch, chemtrails are shut off, with the plane continuing on leaving normal contrails, you know ding dang well ITS NOT NORMAL
You mean it's not normal to see a contrail turn on and then off, etc.? Why not? That seems to me to mean the aircraft is flying through different masses of air where some favor contrail formation, others don't. Just like you can fly through clouds, you can fly through masses of air with different humidity and differing favorableness to contrail formation.
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ne last thing, a good deal of sickness is being experienced as a result of CHEMTRAILS. A guest on the night talk show Coast to Coast AM by the name of Steven Quayle brought out that in this country alone, respiratory diseases have risen from an average of 5 million a year to 30 million.
But what evidence is there that this is because of "chemtrails" as opposed to any other number of environmental factors? I've had asthma since I was 7--if I had any reason to believe it was because of something someone was doing intentionally I'd be rightfully upset. I *AM* an interested party. But I haven't seen anything that shows a cause-effect relationship between "chemtrails" and any sickness whatsoever.
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You don't believe in CHEMTRAILS ? Stay outside often and breathe deeply and just maybe you'll get your proof.
So the proof for "chemtrails" is because people get sick? |
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letxa2000
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Fri Jan 16, 2004 8:53 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by jwnyc:
Probably cause you can see the cockpit windows clearly, and see what color hair the pilots have. The plane would be loud, also.
If you have actually seen a plane flying that low in anything other than a final approach for landing, you'll have more luck getting the government to listen to you if you complain about low-flying aircraft. Aircraft must fly at least 1000 feet AGL (above ground level). If you're seeing the color of the pilots' hair, they're violating FAA regulations. Report them.
That said, I'm a private pilot and I can't say I've ever been able to see the color of the pilots hair in the plane that is sitting non-mobile right in front of me ready for take-off. But perhaps you have good eyes and can see the color of the hair of a pilot in a moving plane from the ground. |
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shatoga
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Fri Jan 16, 2004 10:12 pm
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Thanks for the links people.
Mech,
I've worked under supervision of several A&P
(airframe and powerplant) mechanics.
They are highly trained, and underpaid.
The A&P's I worked with took the aircraft out on test flights before certifying them.
Nothing is left to chance.
You cannot pull over to the nearest cloud and make repairs.
It is literally life or death, whether your mechanic has prepared the airplane.
Contrails at low altitudes?
never happens!
Chemtrails are more like crop dusting.
See patterns? especially parallel trails or crosshatch?
Stay indoors and live.
"West Nile" here on the Gulf Coast often occurred right after "fast movers" left trails after low altitude flights.
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JerseyBluEyz
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Fri Jan 16, 2004 10:57 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by letxa2000:
In short, I haven't found any reason (yet) as to why anyone would call these "chemtrails" instead of "long duration contrails." Calling them chemtrails jumps to the conclusion is that they are somehow chemical even though every Chemtrail site I've found (so far) has recognized that no-one really knows what it is they're spraying (if indeed they're spraying something). If we're not even sure we know they're spraying, and if they're spraying we don't know what they're spraying, aren't we jumping to conclusions by calling them "chemtrails?"
Not because you are a skeptic, but because of the TYPE of questions you are asking it is apparent you did not do your homework! In particular, you could NOT have researched the Carnicom or the Educate Yourself sites suitably in the amount of time it took you to post your comments. Did you even bother to review the massive amount of information under the Chemtrails heading here? I wish you would!
Even though you should have run across a few of these articles yourself, here are links to help answer your chemical make up question. You must research further in this regard also. Of course with proper funding the analyses could go much deeper, but I believe there is enough evidence listed here to convince you that SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT (chemically) up in our skies!
Have you viewed any of the fiber pictures? EUUWW! I am not posting a link to them – you can find them on your own. There IS a thread full of them here. Once you see them, you will never feel clean again!
Bacterial Samples: http://www.carnicom.com/bio10.htm
Fungus: http://www.geocities.com/reptoid_27/Text-ChemtrailFungus.html
North Carolina Samples: http://educate-yourself.org/ct/ctpeanutbutterbariumsandwiches17apr02.shtml
Lab results of samples: http://www.carnicom.com/lab1.htm
Facility that tested above lab results: http://www.rpc.ca/icpms.html
FAQs about Aluminum: http://cisat1.isciii.es/tfacts22.pdf
FAQs about Barium: http://www.skyhighway.com/~chemtrails/docs/bariumhealth.htm
Congressman Kucinich’s original introduction of Space Preservation Act: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:H.R.2977.IH:
OOOPS - sorry. Looks like Mech posted this one already!
Comments re: rewrite of above Bill: http://www.rense.com/general19/kucinich.htm
[Edited 2 times, lastly by JerseyBluEyz on 01-16-2004] |
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Boomer Chick
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Sat Jan 17, 2004 1:33 am
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How did I know Letxa would question without reading? Obviously he didn't follow my suggestions or my links! Thanks peeps!
I'm not contributing until your work is done, Letxa!
bc |
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