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Lulu
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 Tue Jun 17, 2003 4:54 pm
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Larry, I just received a reply email from Vicky Bode. This is what she had to say :
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We are returning the fibers to Mr. Meyers. I did not give my permission to have my name and agency used on a website nor did I want to have people from all over contact me. We are a busy crime laboratory and our current caseload does not give us any time to analyze non-criminal cases.
Larry, before I contact anyone else, including Edgar Maeyens, please confirm with these people (above) that:
1) It is OK for others to contact them, and
2) It is OK to post their particulars, including phone numbers, here.
Thank you.
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Poco Loco
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Tue Jun 17, 2003 9:49 pm
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NO I DON'T THINK SO. These are PUBLIC agencys that were properly contacted by a professional and failed to respond! |
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Poco Loco
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Tue Jun 17, 2003 9:53 pm
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Lulu: Lets let my private physician contact Dr. Simpson beforehand. |
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Poco Loco
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Sun Jun 22, 2003 8:00 pm
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Follow-up is on a slowboat from China. Expect to have information to share later in the week.
Meanwhile, is this thread dead? Have any of you thought of rebutting the idea that the names and contact information for employees of a public protection and service agency should be secret? I'm sure they "don't wish to be contacted by people from all over", as Ms. Bode responds. Yes, I'm certain they are a very busy lab however a few months seem sufficient for a simple analysis by a "fiber expert" with a computerized database. Regarding the Non-criminal classification, another State Crime Lab was provided with four criminal complaints (uninformed consent) but still couldn't be bothered. Meanwhile let's all watch the buildings and bridges but whatever you do, don't look up! Have we done such a poor job of providing provocative evidence that we are to be ignored everywhere? Guess all that time TOCarm spent contacting appropriate agencies didn't trickle down. |
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Lulu
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Mon Jun 23, 2003 3:55 pm
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This from MJ, who has now been granted access to this main forum...his observation of the static electricy quality is one that I have also noticed...from tiny barbed fibers...collected 2 years ago...and still sitting in a plastic container in my cupboard...clinging to the underside of the lid...
"Hi kids -
Newbie here, just caught the 'fiber' thread from a link from another site.
Been having a little browse around, but have to get to bed here.
Just thought I might throw you a bit of information regarding the fibers,
that you don't seem to have mentioned - the fact that they move. There are
several different types of movement that I personally have seen, I have read
about others, but will only vouch for my own knowledge.
There are whitish/clear fibers that will move with a wavy motion, similar to
what you might expect to see in seaweed. If there are several of these on a
hair (human, head or arm hair, that is) they can cause the entire hair to move,
in a way similar to what you see in static electricity - the catch is, they
KEEP moving even when enclosed in plastic bags or glass vials- very weird.
Other fibers will have a nodule in the middle of the fiber, and it will seem
to act as a hinge, with the fiber bending in the middle at this juncture.
There are also either fibers or particles that are encased in the fibers that
will 'jump', either towards or away from something. For myself, the most
noticible has been the 'jumps' away from tweezers, exacto knives, and suchlike,
and towards paper or cloth products, or living tissues.
As I said, I gotta get to bed, but I'd be more than happy to continue the
discussion, at least in telling you what I know of these strange things.
Also - - if anyone is going to jump on my case, (saying I'm imagining this,
ect) let me state *before* you get started, that if you have any doubts, I can
mail you samples of this, and if you want to try to get to the bottom of it,
you'll have a lot of people glad that you did!!
Take care
MJ"
From mark sky ~
"Poco Loco, who resides just up the coast from me, mentioned the last time that we talked, that he had found a fiber under black light that responded just as yours does~it appeared to try to "bite" his fingertip wqhen he brought it near.It was highly attracted to his skin, but it "wore itself out" after repeated "playing with it" and became inert.
people say you should be wearing gloves when playing or collecting these unknown melting fibers, are you being careful? I wonder if it matters as the fibers seem to be all around my house..."
and my reply ~
"I would never let the melting fibers touch my skin, don't use gloves but am careful. The barbed dust I handle without gloves and is everywhere in my home, and when one of my son's friends was over, his sweatshirt, to which his mom did not use fabric softner, was covered in this barbed dust by the time he left. I got several pieces for my collection. He said he doesn't see dust like that at his house. Where does this dust end up?,,, in the lungs no less. Haven't been able to wear out a piece yet. The last piece, which was the longest,did not want to go into the container as it was clinging to my finger with great force."
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000023.html
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Lulu on 06-23-2003] |
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Poco Loco
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Tue Jun 24, 2003 6:24 am
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MJ: Great to read your input. Anxious to hear more from you. Would you let us know your general location? I'm on the Central Oregon Coast but have collected similar specimens over a five state area.
Do you find this "stuff" in your hair? In/on your eyes? |
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Lulu
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Fri Jun 27, 2003 6:56 am
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Bumped for the boys in England. |
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Poco Loco
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Mon Jun 30, 2003 7:52 pm
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I hope the poor response Lulu received has not kept others from contacting the agencies/medical professionals mentioned here. These are professionals in fields related to this issue and if properly approached should have no problem with the contact. Dr Gambee has specific hours set aside at least three times a week for public contact. He's considered a top area allergist and is aware of what's going on above him. Call him! Lets let these people know we are concerned and want some professional opinions. We're not going to stop the CT activities but it would be nice to know what materials are involved, how pathogenic they are, and what we can do to deal with symptoms.
In my opinion there is absolutely no excuse for the pissy/phony (We're too busy) response from the Tucson PD Lab. I'm curious to know the opinion of others on this. What was asked of them is not in the realm of "rocket science". If they are doing their job and are a "very busy lab", they are finding these materials at crime scenes and certainly know exactly what they are. |
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Poco Loco
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Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:42 pm
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Lulu and others: Is this the end of interest in this thread? Have none of you but Terry taken the time to help apply pressure for answers? I've determined that Dr. Simpson did not foreword specimens to Dr. Burton. It was he, Simpson, who "couldn't see the fibrils at 100x", the same material you have viwed on this thread photographed at 60x. Dr. Burtons receptionist Molly, a very pleasant/professional lady has asked that microphotographs be sent for Dr. Burtons review. I'll keep you informed. |
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Lulu
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Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:50 pm
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That's encouraging Larry. Molly did seem rather nice when I talked with her and I'm glad the specimen is being looked at finally. Yes do keep us posted!
Edited to add PS if in doubt of the interest in this thread check your PM poco ... and you'll know why this was bumped for the boys in England...
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Lulu on 07-09-2003] |
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Lulu
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Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:54 pm
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5445 views and counting several hundred per day...naw no interest at all...
wish the lurky loo would speak up |
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Lulu
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Thu Jul 10, 2003 6:22 am
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PM=Private Message--right below Help Desk on main forums page when you are logged in you will see Messages...check that area out  |
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Poco Loco
Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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Sat Jul 12, 2003 5:46 am
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Dr. Burton, Medical Toxicologist, advised me today he will be unable to help! My personal physician advises Dr. Simpson considered the possibility this matter is all in my head. Remember that he "couldn't see the fibrils at 100x"; the same ones shown at the beginning of this thread, photographed at 60x.
I think I am back at square one. Wish I had some of the time and money back. |
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Lulu
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Sat Jul 12, 2003 3:00 pm
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That is crap poco!! Did Dr. Burton give a reason as to why he was UNABLE to help!!?? |
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emfx13
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Sat Jul 12, 2003 5:17 pm
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That does bite!!sorry to hear this poco. |
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