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julianpenrod
Joined: 07 Mar 2002
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Julian Penrod
4 Fairfield Avenue
West Caldwell, New Jersey 07006
(973) 220-1601
julianpenrod@comcast.net
May 22, 2004
To all:
Something that often happens, when you're taking pictures of things like the weather, is that you can end up with an image of something other than you expected.
At about 6:00 p.m., on Thursday, May 20, 2004, I took the picture shown below.
It was taken to display the intense difference in cloud color, as a demonstration of what are coming to be called "black bottom clouds". However, you will notice the distinct intermixing swirl in the clouds! This wasn't taken looking straight up, it was taken of a cloud bank to the east of West Caldwell. The swirling intermixing, then, could very well be taking place vertically, between cloud banks at two different altitudes!
This is something I do not remember ever seeing before, or even remember hearing mentioned. To the extent that I have become suspicious that an alien, highly volatile, highly reactive, material, with a lower thermal inertia than water, has been introduced into the atmosphere, to facilitate weather control, this type of situation would seem to fit right in!
If other, similar forms have been seen, it could be useful if they were mentioned.
Julian Penrod |
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emfx13
Joined: 25 May 2002
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Sun May 23, 2004 8:36 am
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Nice picture. But i don't see anything unusual, these swirls are visible along the coastline quite commonly. But whos to say that it is'nt the perfect "natural" way to disperse a "chem". I won't lose any sleep. |
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julianpenrod
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Location: west caldwell, new jersey, united states |
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Sun May 23, 2004 11:59 pm
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Julian Penrod
4 Fairfield Avenue
West Caldwell, New Jersey 07006
(973) 220-1601
julianpenrod@comcast.net
May 23, 2004
To all:
The response, by emfx13, to my photograph of intermixing clouds is disturbing in its diffidence, and evidently utterly unreliable in its "factual approach". Among other things, emfx13 asserts that the type of clouds I pictured were "visible along the coastline quite commonly". This fails in a couple of ways.
First, West Caldwell is nowhere near the shore! West Caldwell is at least 15 miles from any kind of shore, and that's the crowded shoreline of the Hudson River, near Manhattan. To get to any kind of unobstructed coastline, you would have to travel about 30 miles or more, south and east. But the clouds that I photographed were approximately east of West Caldwell.
Also, emfx13 refers to these clouds as "common". I have never seen them before, ever! If emfx13 can supply anything like a verified collection of photographs of such clouds, along the coastline, it can help to illuminate the situation with respect to their nature. And just being “common” doesn’t automatically make something normal! Chemtrails are very “common”, these days; is emfx13 recommending that the site close down, because there are so many chemtrails around that they have automatically become de facto “normal”? You have to ask, among other things, just how long the thing was “common”! If it’s only now become “common”, then it means it is a repeating departure from previous normalcy, and that is not something tom be ignored!
Just because something is “common” doesn’t mean it’s safe!
Too, emfx13 seems to be from California. If they are basing their assertion that these types of clouds are purely natural simply on the fact that they might occur frequently off California’s coasts, then they should be reminded that there are significant differences between the West Coast and the East Coast! What’s “common” in one spot, because of the nature of the place, might be abnormal in another!
Overall, though, emfx13's response is disquieting. "I won't lose any sleep", they say. Frankly, this sounds much like the perfunctory, and contemptuous, dismissal that "debunkers" have always engaged in. If this is related to chemtrail perverting of the atmosphere, it definitely is something to “lose sleep” about! Supposedly, emfx13 is a moderator of the site, and, if that is the case, it, again, opens the question of just how much Chemtrail Central is devoted to pursuing opposition to chemtrails!
Julian Penrod
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Catnip57
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Mon May 24, 2004 7:36 am
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Since I'm not a meteorologist I can't say exactly what's happening with those clouds in that picture... The swirl effect reminds me of what I've seen in pictures where decending tornados are trying to form... This looks like two weather systems colliding ... though that is just my opinion of what's taking place.
However while watching storm stories tonight on sattelite TV there were warnings about severe thunder storms and tornados occuring in places in the U.S. where I never thought they could occur.
I'm sure most people remember the story about the tornado that occured in down town Salt Lake City Utah a few years back. They've never had tornados there in the past either... that event took people totally by surprise.
The national weather forecasters are predicting more rain and thunderstorm this coming week in areas that have already been getting way too much rain and are flooding.
In our area we had about 3 or 4 days in a row of thunderstorms and rain... with more predicted later this week. I'm sure people that live in the areas being flooding are wondering what the heck is going on. |
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emfx13
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Mon May 24, 2004 4:56 pm
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Your entitled to your opinion. But you are wrong in your assumptions about me. I can bet the farm i do more in "pursuing opposition to chemtrails" than you think, and possibly more than you do.I am a musician and have established a very LARGE following. I have taken the fight to the street, and not just from behind my PC.Posting information on the web is helpful/valuable, but easily debunked,example: just as you have now tried to debunk me.Well i find it hard for someone to "debunk" when they are standing face to face with me.Chances are you ALL may have a chance to meet me on tour as i pass through your area.The amount of "real" people i have reached is staggering.I have no idea on the amount of "public relations" you do, but i'm willing to bet the farm i do more.Sorry you have your doubts about me, but i should be the least of your worry's, what i meant by my statement "i won't lose any sleep". Well i wont...i have "work" to do.PEACE...maybe?  |
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julianpenrod
Joined: 07 Mar 2002
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Location: west caldwell, new jersey, united states |
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Tue May 25, 2004 4:53 am
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Julian Penrod
4 Fairfield Avenue
West Caldwell, New Jersey 07006
(973) 220-1601
julianpenrod@comcast.net
May 24, 2004
To all:
Today, May 24, 2004, there was hail in New Jersey. The Midwest is being hit by massive storms. Today, there were a large number of tornadoes in the Midwest. The Far West is going through the worst drought, apparently, since records began to be kept. So far, this spring, New Jersey has gone through several strings of 80 and 90 degree days! It seems that anyone who denies the weather is patently abnormal is just doing their best to avoid giving the obvious credibility, by the imprimatur of admitting it! Forecasters have been admitting that they are no longer able to predict weather, even a few hours ahead, with as much reliability as they were able to, only a few years ago, and, you may have noticed, weather conditions in even relatively close spots can be extremely different! It used to be that, if West Caldwell had one temperature, West Orange would have about the same! Now, it is frequently the case, if not almost always the case, that they can differ by five or more degrees. In the past, weather systems used to cover entire regions, now, the last few days had thunderstorms and hail that appeared to occur in individual towns, in New Jersey! And, the past couple of days have been so warm, we actually had to run the air conditioner! This didn’t use to happen in spring!
And did you notice how little meteorologists try to invoke El Nino, anymore?
Catnip57 mentions about severe storms and tornadoes occurring where no one ever expected them before. In fact, it was quietly overlooked, when they started declaring tornadoes east of the Mississippi, in the Seventies and Eighties, but, it appears, normal tornado territory is extremely flat and open. Essentially, the form of tornado that used to be known would not occur in broken, irregular, hilly terrain! That is, a tornado that was powered by weather that was powered by water. But, as I have been indicating, it appears very much as if water has been displaced, in weather causation, by another substance, evidently a volatile, that yields its energy to the surrounding air more readily than water! Powering air currents through energy released more quickly than water would can be suggested as something that can cause tornadoes in even limited, mountainous terrain!
Even in the past, tornadoes would be linked with stormy weather, but only in about the past decade have things like "supercells" been invoked to explain the sudden onslaught of cyclones!
"Debunkers" might be quick to seize upon my reference to tornadoes occurring in unusual areas as far back as the Seventies, when chemtrailing seems to have begun in earnest in about 1997. That seems to reveal an important facet of the matter, namely, that what is happening may have its roots in programs begun decades past, with chemtrails being only one step in the process!
Catnip57 referred to tornado formation, based on the appearance of the picture I provided. But the view was not straight up. Rather, it was taken more or less at an angle, so that the light colored cloud was actually slightly higher than the darker one, and was bleeding material down into it!
I did, however, see what appeared to be a nascent tornado, but one that didn't finish forming, in the area of West Caldwell. On May 4, 2004, in Grover Cleveland Park, in Caldwell, I took the picture below, of what appeared to be a forming tornado cloud, somewhere south and east of the park, probably around Livingston, or even the Oranges. A few minutes later, it retracted into the storm cloud overhead.
Today, my wife happened to be on the third floor of an office building in Parsippany, high enough to be able to see passing clouds very closely. It seems almost a paradigm, that, in general, only those who are willing toadies to "the party line", and who won't acknowledge the anomalous, are allowed in a position to see it closely! The building she was in actually had a cloud pass right across it. She said she saw a portion of the cloud whirling. It was moving clockwise. The whirl was spinning relatively slowly, but it was moving independent of the cloud.
But the energy necessary to perform so this kind of action in a individual cloud again suggests the presence of something in the air that is releasing its heat to the air faster than water would! Land hurricanes is one evident result of this. So are unusually ragged looking clouds; several different cloud types being in the sky, at the same time; "black bottom clouds"; or particularly active looking clouds after dark, when it's cool enough for water to be quiescent.
Those determined to oppose the perverting of the environment should keep their eyes open for signs of abnormality. To deal with something, you have to know what it is you're dealing with.
Julian Penrod
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emfx13
Joined: 25 May 2002
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Location: Hayward Ca.U.S.A. |
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Sun May 30, 2004 8:09 am
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Julian, i am sorry if you misunderstood my comment, and i also apologize for my follow up post. I was a little rude with you and i made a few statements that i actually had no right saying. I do not know the amount of public relations you do when your not behind the PC, but i do realize the work you do on the PC. Though i do not agree with everything you have thus far written, i do agree with "some". And for that i thank you, you have contributed to bringing this horrible issue into the public eye,and that is a task in itself.I have been under some pressure.. no excuse for my lack of control.And forgive my ignorance, i do agree with you that weather and it vortices change region to region "What’s “common” in one spot, because of the nature of the place, might be abnormal in another". I don't expect you to responed,it was really nothing. Lets move forward shall we..... |
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julianpenrod
Joined: 07 Mar 2002
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Location: west caldwell, new jersey, united states |
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Mon May 31, 2004 12:55 am
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Julian Penrod
4 Fairfield Avenue
West Caldwell, New Jersey 07006
(973) 220-1601
julianpenrod@comcast.net
May 30, 2004
To all:
We don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, and emfx13's comments are taken in earnest. We don't want to hurt anyone's reputation, and we appreciate their remarks. We can understand that they may have been under pressure or tired, when they made their comments, and we can appreciate that. But it is important to be aware. "Debunkers" can infiltrate anywhere, and we have to be careful when dismissive language enters the discussion. To emfx13, forget about what happened, we will proceed from here.
Julian Penrod |
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Jeanie
Joined: 18 Nov 2001
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Mon May 31, 2004 8:51 pm
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EMFX 13 and Julian; You both have a characteristic necessary for peace and success in whatever you undertake, that is*** humility*** ...You are both excellant contributors to the exposure of the criminals who have taken over earth's atmosphere for their own selfish gain. Peace to you both and keep the good words coming. Jeanie
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emfx13
Joined: 25 May 2002
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Location: Hayward Ca.U.S.A. |
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Tue Jun 01, 2004 4:43 pm
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Thank you Jeanie. |
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