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julianpenrod
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some comments on an occurrence of the 'on/off switch'
 Fri Jun 18, 2004 2:47 am
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Julian Penrod
4 Fairfield Avenue
West Caldwell, New Jersey 07006
(973) 220-1601
julianpenrod@comcast.net
June 17, 2004
To all:
At about 1:30 p.m., on Wednesday, June 16, 2004, a chemtrial, oriented north-south, was visible over West Caldwell, New Jersey. A picture is below.
As you can see there is a gap in the middle of the trail, a sign of what has come to be called the "on/off switch", taken by many to be an indication that chemtrails are deliberate actions, and not accidental formations of ice crystals.
Debunkers, meanwhile, try to represent these gaps as merely being the jet running into a patch of air so dry that ice crystals cannot form around water vapor from the jet's engines. In general, they have been able to do this because most pictures of the "on/off switch" have occurred in largely empty skies, with no sign of moisture anywhere. Rather than establish the presence of water vapor everywhere except where the trail breaks off, the debunkers, in what may be considered characteristic style, dare chemtrail opponents to prove that there isn't a dry patch where the trail ends.
Here, however, matters are somewhat different. I have mentioned that, about three years ago, it was almost never the case that chemtrails would be formed when cumulus clouds were around. That has slowly changed. In about the last year and a half, it has become more and more frequent that chemtrails would be seen in skies with cumulus clouds. The sky, this, day, had a large number of cumulus clouds in it, and, as you can see by the mottling, intermittent patches of haze. Granted, these are at a lower level than the chemtrail is supposed to have been formed, but, given the sheer preponderance of areas of moisture, on this day, it is palpably unreasonable to assert that the area where the break occurred is a "dry patch". This isn't like a perfectly clear sky, where you can suggest that moist air would look as clear as dry air, and leave it to the chemtrail opponents to prove that that's not the case! This is an evident circumstance of dry air being all but impossible, of not patently impossible!
Debunkers also rest their "arguments" against the "on/off switch" on questions of just why they would turn sprays on and off. To be sure, just because the reasoning behind an action is not obvious doesn't mean that it didn't take place! However, there is another possibility.
It has always seemed likely to me that, if some form of bulk spray matter was being introduced into the atmosphere, there is always the likelihood of the material temporarily jamming up the sprayers. A clog. The "on/off switch" may merely be occasions when the material being deposited into the atmosphere briefly gummed up the nozzles spraying it!
As an aside, a point could be raised about the debunker assertion that the breaks in chemtrails are due to jets running into “dry patches”. The sky is not all that non-uniform! It seems eminently unlikely, if not impossible, that an isolated pocket of air so utterly different from the air around could suddenly be encountered! If, indeed, the “on/off switch” is caused by jets running into unusually dry patches of air, it seems an acknowledgement that chemtrails have so adulterated the atmosphere that it no longer resembles it previous self!
If there are any other accounts of "on/off switch" occurrences on days when dry patches of air are out of the question, it could be interesting to hear about them.
Julian Penrod
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djhash
Joined: 16 Jul 2004
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Fri Jul 16, 2004 2:56 am
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i was rirding my bike, and i saw a jet overhead with a huge triple plume, or at least a double one very wide, and all of a sudden it shut right off!!! completely... then it flew away with no trail whatsoever the rest of the way....it had left a huge plume for a large section of sky tho that lingered and spread for hours .. as usual...
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i dunno what is the scoop with these jet trails that linger all day....... hardly anyone else seems to care. |
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Cutlass80R2
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
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| Re: some comments on an occurrence of the 'on/off switch'
Mon Jul 26, 2004 7:17 am
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quote:
Originally posted by julianpenrod
As an aside, a point could be raised about the debunker assertion that the breaks in chemtrails are due to jets running into “dry patches”. The sky is not all that non-uniform! It seems eminently unlikely, if not impossible, that an isolated pocket of air so utterly different from the air around could suddenly be encountered!
Julian Penrod
Julian,
Indeed, the atmosphere IS, or at least CAN BE, that non-uniform. If you've ever ridden a motorcycle, you've felt this. Ever dropped over a hill and entered a damp, chilly patch? Same idea. You've also felt this in commercial aircraft, I'm sure... ever been flying along in cruise in perfectly smooth air, all of a sudded hit a patch of turbulence that lasts for a minute or two, then been back in smooth air? I work as an airline pilot, and we see this kind of stuff all the time... usually right after we make our "we're expecting a smooth flight, the seat belt sign is off..." anouncement.  The contrail breaks are caused by dry patches, nothing more sinister than that. You guys shouldn't be so quck to simplify or homogenize the atmosphere... you take away some of it's wonder! It truly is one of the most complex and dynamic pieces of the planet.
The contrail and the clouds in your picture are at different altitudes. It's perfectly common for the lower levels of the atmospehere to hold more moisture, and thus support cloud development, on a day when the upper levels are dry enough to inhibit contrails.
Please save the "pilot bashing" comments, as you'll notice that I've been nothing but polite to you. You're presenting the situation as you see it, I'm presenting the situation as I see it... from a slightly better perspective, that's all. Makes for good discussion.
Joe |
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