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Boomer Chick
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
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Suggestion for Mods!
 Wed Apr 21, 2004 7:52 pm
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DEAR MODERATORS:
I'm concerned that we stay united and refrain from allowing disrupters whose sole aim is to distract into argumentation on a personal level in order to take our attention away from our goals, readings, and research. It does not matter whether the intentions are purposeful or not.
On many sites, the stipulation of joining entails a written and stated rule that those who join agree on the purpose and united goal of the board. For example, on Democrats.com, in order to join, you MUST be a Democrat. No Republicans or other party members are allowed. And yes, this is free speech, just as women's clubs, men's clubs, various political clubs, and various organizations limit their membership to those who share the same vision. So should this board adopt that principle. The purpose for this organizational confluence, although based in human nature, is to assure the progress of the group's goals. Whether the group's organizational goals are built upon furthering scientific investigation, exploring the natures of reality, joining in political change, uniting in a group educational goal, or any of a myriad of groupings, the fact remains that distracters and disrupters negatively influence the progress of any group.
This board is named CHEMTRAIL CENTRAL.
For those who do not agree or show effort to learn about this subject -- they shall be on "probation" if you will. They can scream about free speech all they want, but just as any club or organization limits and describes it membership, they cannot be a member if they prove themselves
opposing every premise of the club's formation. Would a bowler join a swimming club? -- to pose it bluntly.
Just as in the wide world of real life organizations, the net world organizes in parallel. Obviously, before I even joined, this group of individuals formed solidarity with the agreement and stipulation that all would contribute to the acquiring of truth and knowledge of aerosol spraying called "chemtrails." If I had not studied in advance and educated myself on the subject, I would not have joined at all. I might have read out of curiosity, but I would not have posted realizing my social position in reference to the group. It's truly a matter of respect and life knowledge. Would I go to a Near Death Experience site and proclaim that everyone there was hallucinating if I strongly held that notion? No, because I respect. Would I join a pro-logging board and scream environmental forest preservation and expect to remain a member? No, because I know my place and it wouldn't further my cause as enmity rarely does. Also considering that creating disunity and disruption seems to be the hallmark of debunker behavior, and this board has had a history in such deviant hosting -- I recommend that the membership be tightened.
All free societies contain smaller circles of social-organizational gatherings. It is legal, democratic, and perfectly socially acceptable to limit membership in a group to those who share the group's goals. Those who do not share the goals will not be allowed.
After a probationary period, they will simply and politely be told to leave. In this way, there will be no hassles, no personal-level argumentative distractions, and thus a furthering of the goal of the board itself.
On the subjects not related to chemtrails, the board, I feel, could be more loose in its requirements on debate and argumentation. But for the main subject and purpose of this board, I suggest the moderators rewrite the rules to include a probationary period of proper behavior that includes the acceptance of the reality of chemtrails in one's posting.
If this seems narrow and confining to any of you, then I suggest you look at the wasted time and emotion we have all spent in trying to convince either a debunker or an ignorant soul of the very existence of aerosol spraying itself. Should I mention the wasted time of allowing those same types onto the board and then reaping the consequences of hacking and manipulation?
Letxa's negative commentary to a curious student on two threads regarding the subject of chemtrails and the nature of the members who have learned about them was enough, finally, to awaken me to the need to discriminate and do it with objectivity and grace. It is democratic, it is organizationally sound, and it is obviously needed on CHEMTRAIL CENTRAL.
Thanks,
Boomer Chick
Could we have a board vote, or a level of discussion on this?
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Boomer Chick on 04-21-2004] |
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Boomer Chick
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Posts: 407
Location: Colorado |
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Wed Apr 21, 2004 7:57 pm
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Present rules for joining:
Hello and welcome to Chemtrail Central.
The forums have been created for those who are concerned about the reality of Chemtrails.
Those who aren't sure, want to learn more, or don't acknowledge the reality of Chemtrails are also invited to participate. Please show respect for your fellow posters. Rudeness and derision may be grounds for loss of posting rights at the discretion of the administrator.
Please be aware that if you do not supply a valid email address, you will not receive your initial password. The administrator of the board will have no way of informing you if this occurs. If you do not receive your password within a few minutes or hours of registration, this is the reason. You may mail the administrator or reregister to correct this problem.
The fine print:
Multiple login IDs are not allowed. Anonymizing proxies indicate intent of mischief and are not allowed. If for some reason you would like to change IDs, please inform the forum admin. We are not obligated to remove your ID under any circumstances, however your ID may be restricted if you are found to be in violation of the forum rules. Messages may be moved if they do not conform to the purpose of each individual forum. You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this board to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law. You agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or by this baord, or you have permission to use said material. You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold harmless Chemtrail Central, Infopop Inc. (the makers of the bulletin board software), and their agents with respect to any claim based upon transmission of your message(s). All rights reserved.
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electricmojoman
Joined: 07 Feb 2004
Posts: 332
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Wed Apr 21, 2004 8:19 pm
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I second everything stated above. I came to this forum when i heard that I was being attacked behind my back. I enjoy this forum but I am very close to exiting and deleting my membership if the moderators cannot maintain a successfull coalition that can work to help our cause and not be side tracked by self proven disinformants.
I run radarmatrix.com and I provide a lot of information that is very useful to those on this board. I personally broke the story about BAE buying HAARP. I recently posted that HAARP was doing an experiment of very weird proportions. I provide a one stop place to find documentations and stories. I would like to be able to post on the chemtrail activist board. I have yet to fully attack that issue but will soon. When i put my mind and resources to something I produce results.
At this point if the rules are not changed I am going to exit and sit back and watch good people wither away from this forum out of disgust.
Like CTTUSA, I will round up all the good people there and take them to my own forum and show them what unity is. I sniffed out all of my disinformants and I have a great forum that includes people who provide excellent news and converse without the frustration of those who try and create a wedge.
This posting is exactly what they are trying to achieve only without this beginning process. They want people to just be frustrated and leave. I'm walking towards the door and I think many here are starting to get to that point.
Get united or be divided!
mojo http://www.radarmatrix.com
[Edited 1 times, lastly by electricmojoman on 04-21-2004] |
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Boomer Chick
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Posts: 407
Location: Colorado |
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Wed Apr 21, 2004 9:16 pm
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quote:
Those who aren't sure, want to learn more, or don't acknowledge the reality of Chemtrails are also invited to participate. Please show respect for your fellow posters. Rudeness and derision may be grounds for loss of posting rights at the discretion of the administrator.
Possible rewrite:
Those who do not acknowledge the reality of chemtrails and/or aerosol spraying will not be allowed to join. Those who are curious will be allowed to join on a probationary basis. If any posts reflect a debating nature, or show inappropriate question asking, or reflect a disruptive influence --the member posting will be banned. No exceptions. This is a goal-oriented board dedicated to the sharing and research of chemtrails/aerosol spraying. It is not our job to educate others, although information is readily available in links, photos, and discussions for those who wish to read.
All other subjects besides chemtrails will be allowed more leeway on debate and disagreement all with the stipulation and understanding of the rules regarding typical board decorum.
no flaming
no personal criticisms or digs
no profanity
(and then the other parts already written will be still be included)
ANY OTHER IDEAS ON REWRITES? PLEASE POST!
We need to unite as a board and come to consensus on this!
Mods? Members?
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JerseyBluEyz
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
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Location: Northeast |
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Wed Apr 21, 2004 11:47 pm
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Whoa! I leave for a couple of hours and come back to all this! I can’t say I’m surprised this is coming to a head. I believe it’s long overdue.
A difference of opinion IS a good thing on a discussion board. It brings thoughts together and helps form conclusions that might not otherwise be reached in a sole effort. Group minds functioning as ONE are a beautiful thing to behold. That type of atmosphere is obtainable and can be reached here with a few minor changes put in place. Although it is not up to us to decide if new rules should be written, I do feel a change here would serve to generate more activity. Many people do not post here because they are afraid of ridicule and exposure. This board should be a place of open exchange and not a place of distraction! When a piece of information is disclosed, we should be allowed to dissect it, discuss it, and form conclusions in virtual peace. Yes, at times we disagree with belief systems or ideas - that is to be expected. But we should NEVER have to tolerate distracters when their sole purpose is derogatory in nature of the overt or covert kind.
To use part of an analogy that was recently in the news: We WASTE a considerable amount of time here swatting flies. Just think of what could have been discussed instead of arguing with some SILLY member(s) that claim they are only looking for answers. Ha! What a bunch of bull! Anyone that “truly” wants to find answers to chemtrails is always provided with resources when asked. They in turn take it upon themselves to form an opinion of belief or disbelief. If an agenda full of lies and deceit is exposed or becomes obvious, we should not be obligated to further oblige the game player. Neither should current members be twisted to appear as if they are NOT providing sought for information. I do not appreciate being used as a pawn in these type of games! They can play the innocent observer all they want, but many of us find this behavior QUITE ANNOYING!
I do not need someone balancing information for me by providing opposing viewpoints either. I can find it all by myself. All I’d have to do to hear “from the other side” is turn on the TV and be told what to think. I could stop forming my own conclusions! I must say that I bless the day Mojoman came here for two main reasons – 1) I was able to learn a lot about his theories (especially since I always wondered what they were; and 2) he distracted Letxa (sorry!) which allowed the rest of us to keep plugging out the Chemtrail and Anti-NWO information. I must also admit that at times I have contemplated leaving this board for the very reasons stated here today.
In conclusion, I would think a good way to judge an active member’s worth would be to figure out what percentage of information they provided was added to the knowledge pool and how much of their information was given as a means of disinformation or self amusement. I believe that fact alone stands as judgment of any posting member’s worth.
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David
Joined: 20 Oct 2000
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Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:13 am
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I am total agreement with BC on this issue.
Nothing runs someone off faster than having to navigate through debunker/slander filled waters. This is a problem that has not been properly addressed on this board.
My 2 cents. |
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KNOW-THIS
Joined: 14 Jul 2003
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Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:34 am
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I support the moderators decision all the way. |
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BigJoe
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Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:46 am
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I also totally agree with BC on this issue.
Rude and mean spirited debunkers have driven many good people away from CTC in the past. Let's not let this happen again.
[Edited 3 times, lastly by bigjoe on 04-21-2004] |
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halva
Joined: 04 Apr 2003
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Location: Greece |
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Thu Apr 22, 2004 4:10 am
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Count me too as a supporter of BC's
initiative.
This discussion is a replay of what we went through last year in relation to PHX Pilot, culminating in the downfall of the Council and victory to the debunkers.
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000085.html
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000093.html
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000095.html
This is the addition to CTC regulations that I proposed last year and Mech did not support:
“CTC moderators reserve the right to exclude from the forum any person falsely claiming to know that a very large-scale programme of aerosol (chemtrail) spraying is not being implemented, or indicating explicitly or by his/her attitude or manner of that he/she regards as unworthy of serious consideration claims made by other participants that they do have knowledge of the reality of such an ongoing aerosol spraying programme.”
I put it forward again or support BC's formulation, whichever is preferable to those of us who agree on this problem.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by halva on 04-21-2004] |
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halva
Joined: 04 Apr 2003
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Location: Greece |
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Thu Apr 22, 2004 4:20 am
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Electricmojoman, do you have a discussion forum? |
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electricmojoman
Joined: 07 Feb 2004
Posts: 332
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Thu Apr 22, 2004 1:11 pm
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Yes i do. I have one that is for tracking my reports and the other is general discussion forum. I started out in CTTUSA forum and preceeded to talk about my view that chemtrails are used for weather modification and more precisely for radars. Basically to prime them and making the air more conductive. Anyways, the moderators there did not like me discussing this in there forum. Which was very strange. I come to find a lot of people had a problem with the way that forum was being handled. So I took a lot of the better posters there and invited them to my forum. Most are women for some reason but They are very intelligent and do a lot of great work finding news clips and other data. I had an open door policy at the beginning but when i started getting some shadowy figures in there trying to create a wedge...I shut the door only to invites. I then preceeded to goad out, or weed out the other crispy critters in my forum and now it is a free flowing, very positive place for me and them=)
If you would like an invite just email me at guitarzen@aol.com
main forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RadarMatrix2003/
tracking forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Radarmatrix/ |
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Mech
Joined: 06 Jun 2001
Posts: 8237
Location: THE 4th REICH USA |
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Thu Apr 22, 2004 4:23 pm
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The issue is being discussed among the moderators...although I don't see how Letxa broke the forum rules. I alone will not arbitrarily dismiss someone from the forum simply because there is a disagreement. If it starts getting personal then absolutely there is a problem.
Remember the ruless here are Thermit's. If you want them changed, you will have to privately message him (not email) and discuss the matter with him.
Know This, thank you for your support.
[Edited 2 times, lastly by Mech on 04-22-2004] |
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electricmojoman
Joined: 07 Feb 2004
Posts: 332
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Thu Apr 22, 2004 4:51 pm
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ok, clock has begin to tick for me then. I will leave and I suggest those who think it is time to find a better place to disuss in peace needs to join in. I have a new forum set up and ready to go.
I have repeatily asked about getting into the chemtrail activist thread by you Mech and i got nothing. I bet you didnt even mention it to anyone else. I emailed the moderators and almost all got kicked back to me. What is up with that? the emails don't work? One has an email of email@email.com.....what the heck is that?
i would like to consider myself a pretty good asset to have around but this ship is turning into the Letxa disent forum.
You just watch, once I leave this forum how often I am attacked by him. His little underhanded jabs. Like the way he started in this forum with a 2 week study on me without my knowledge. Which came with a conclusion no less yet he still seems to think he needs more info. though he didnt need it to form his conclusion.
I'm a leader and not a follower and you should too Mech.
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Mech
Joined: 06 Jun 2001
Posts: 8237
Location: THE 4th REICH USA |
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Thu Apr 22, 2004 5:01 pm
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What I do in this forum is help do the task most people and the Webmaster do not have time to do. There is a moderators private discussion forum where the issue is being adressed...you need to give the other moderators TIME to elaborate.
If you cannot wait for an answer, im sorry. Don't expect a personal Email. As you well know...most people won't open an email they have no idea who it's from. I suggest you send a private message to Thermit if you are unhappy about the rules.
Again....SEE ABOVE my last message.
Whatever Letxa or you do on other forums is NONE of my buisness.
EMM:"I'm a leader and not a follower and you should too Mech."
Ummmm...
What the heck are you trying to say mojo?
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Swamp Gas
Joined: 06 Jun 2001
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Thu Apr 22, 2004 5:16 pm
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Where does banning start and end?
Mojoman, I am amused and enlightened by some of your posts. You are much more a valuable asset than Letxa, because on some other forums, there are people like him that do exactly the same. Disruption is the name of their game. I had a month long debate with a meat eater who came onto a vegetarina board, and insisted that vitamin B12 COULD NOT be manufactured within our own body. No matter how much data and perosnal experience I showed, he would keep saying derogatory things. Finally, he cursed me left and right, and then the noderator banned him.
Now there is a mention of near death experience vs hallucination discussion as some kind of litmus test. I assume that would be myself and Thetaloops. I still maintain that most NBE's are DMT infused experiences. Does that make me a candidate to be banned? Seems like by these new "rules" being postulated, that would, since there are a lot of people here that believe it's angels and demons.
Is Mech a candidate because he likes Aaron Russo? Should Thermit can his ass because of that? Mech and Shatoga think the 2nd Amendment is of first importance, I believe it is a tie between the First and Fourth. Should somebody be banned, if the majority believe it is the sixth?
Do we take votes of various subjects, and if you sway from the popular opinion, are you banned?
As far as chemtrails go, yes they exist (Whew! I'm OK to stay?). I'm not sure of the purpose...Sunlight blocking, Geo-Engineering, Radar Skipping, HAARP related, microbes in them.
Yes, Lextra is a disruptor. Should he be banned? If he is poilte, and asks questions hwere he truly does not know the answer, no! If he is simply here to say the color white is actually black, then can hios butt...now! |
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