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defender
Joined: 27 Oct 2000
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Deltastarr,
Do you know anything about Evergreen International Aviation? I found "Aircraft Experts" forum at this website very interesting. If you have time, maybe you can check it out and see if that makes any sense to you? |
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Deltastarr
Joined: 20 Feb 2001
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Location: Bossier City, Louisiana, USA |
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Fri Feb 23, 2001 11:46 pm
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defender, Hi again. I tried to find evergreen Int. Aviation but no luck yet but went into FAA site, trying to find the specific "regs" that would apply to the planes hubby and I have observed. Other postings have mentioned various "regs" so from that even, I realise these "chemplanes" are in violation. I guess I got into the "wrong" thread when I posted on this one as I'm already being considered a liar and being rudely informed of that opinion. I wonder why the ones that feel that way post on a chem site. I wouldn't care to post on a site about lawn mower repair as I have no interest in that. Even if I decide to play "the Devils advocate" and say the trails aren't chems and maybe just contrails but reacting "differently" because of changes in the atmosphere or something, that still does not explain why these planes, whoever they are, are allowed to blatantly disregard FAA rules? Defender, I feel like you understand my outlook. Anyhow, I'm done fiddling with this thread so I might as well go out with a bang...one posting said the planes don't show up on "tracking" by his computer investigations from the website that provides info to track air traffic...so that is proof of no chemplanes...maybe they are "Foriegn Technology"...Like the office at Fort Meade represents...what folks don't realize is the foriegn technology devision there is refering to U.F.O.'s. There, now I'm in for it...I have had to drive past the "flight-line" on base almost everyday, have been very near military jets, in them and flown in a few so being near a SAC base has nothing to do with my "chemplane" sightings, as Cydoniaquest infers, like I'm so stupid, I'm just looking at B-52's or "Hedge-hogs", or KC-135's, etc. Sorry for the "rant"...I'm actually responding to the postings of a few others.Bye Defender, and thanx for the kind welcome at other thread. Blessings and take care. Keep lookin up! |
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Norrin Radd
Joined: 04 Nov 2000
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Sat Feb 24, 2001 12:22 am
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Delta Star,
I have also had my fill of the people here who claim that chemtrails are normal. Why anyoenw ould work to try to convince people that they are foolish, is beyond me. As you well know, there are thousands of issues worth working towards changing, so debunking chemtrails is really only for losers who do not care about their country, or freedom, or anything except their own ego's.
These people are either paid, or they just don't care about any important issues.
Anyways, I hope you will stay in touch with me. You are a good person and I am glad I have had the chance to read your thoughts, hopes and fears.
Brent |
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Deltastarr
Joined: 20 Feb 2001
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Location: Bossier City, Louisiana, USA |
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Sat Feb 24, 2001 3:34 am
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Thanx norrin radd, I appreciate the support and you betcha, I'll keep you up-dated on any new News here that may transpire during my "sky-watching" adventures. I got 2 neat "hobbies" out of the chem research so I like to think about that and accentuate the positive in that regard anyway...I'm finding I enjoy photography and computers. The "chem" curiousity brought me to both of those...and I've met some swell people too, along the way. I really admire all the research and investigations that you present at forums and I've learned a lot that way. Thanx again and keep looking up! J. |
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Deltastarr
Joined: 20 Feb 2001
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Sat Feb 24, 2001 3:46 am
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Defender and Moose, I wanted to say hey to you and apologize for getting "off track" while posting back to ya'll. "Skywatching" is interesting no matter what transpires...except when a "flock of birds" drop over, literally...ya'll know what I mean. This ole world and sky is really beautiful and I just hope it can stay that way. I hope and pray the sky isn't being ruined in anyway...gotta wonder though, if Project HAARP can actually "lift" our atmosphere...what next? Anyways, Hi ya'll and have a decent weekend, be safe and well, and Blessings! J. |
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cydoniaquest
Joined: 12 Aug 2000
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Sat Feb 24, 2001 4:13 am
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Wow Delta,
It will be a while before I digest everything you've written, but I have some time to respond to one thing you say:
"Anyway, you say in California, they would be "irate" and making a big fuss about chemical problems and such, as I've described? Talk about synchronicity, just went to another sight and saw where certain areas of Cal. are having 15 million lbs. of toxic chemicals discovered every year and guess what? No fuss yet."
You have to understand....I thought you were saying that this aircraft you observed was flying at 1200 feet over a populated area dumping "stuff". If that were the case, I stand by my thoughts. I realize there is apathy....but not THAT much. People would be up in arms......that's why this scenario doesn't happen.....(or at least that I know of), in broad daylight. |
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Deltastarr
Joined: 20 Feb 2001
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Sat Feb 24, 2001 6:10 am
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A "Heads-up" for you guys...go to http://WWW.sightings.com Talk about MORE synchronicity...there is an article there written about illegal AND bizarre chemplane occurrence that happened right in the center, low at the flight-line of a MAJOR SAC Base...The article is written by a fellow that used to work on base and witnessed this! I would like to be able to reach him...I feel vindicated. If it can happen there, it can happen ANYWHERE!!! READ IT and then re-think maybe. OH YEAH, CYDONIAQUEST...YOU'RE RIGHT>>>YOU DON'T KNOW!!! |
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cydoniaquest
Joined: 12 Aug 2000
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Sat Feb 24, 2001 8:56 am
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But see Delta, you're still talking about occurences that happened over, or within the proximity of traffic patterns of airforce bases. Isn't this what you said?
Now if you saw this happen over a city, well then I'd say you might have something that would get people talking nationally. There would most probably be people snapping pictures of an outrageous incident like that. This would also validate the chemtrail theory for sure! There could no longer be any argument that this was possibly a contrail at 1200 feet AGL, and there would be no question they were spraying something! Am I wrong?
In fact, I'm not even saying that you are not seeing something significant; You might have even seen a chem-plane on return from a mission to re-load, still dribbling some of its payload.....just that you didn't see these jets overtly spray a town or city at 1200 feet, now did you? I've never heard of a jet spraying a town or city at 1200 feet yet......and it would certainly be a first if this was the case....something that you would definately want to report to the police, the FAA, this board, Carnicom, Joyce Riley....and anyone else who deals with this issue.
But if this happened at or around a base, from aircraft possibly approaching to land, it's not quite the same thing is it? Maybe, in this case, we need to ask another question, though:
Why would they spray their own? |
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Deltastarr
Joined: 20 Feb 2001
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Location: Bossier City, Louisiana, USA |
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Sat Feb 24, 2001 3:04 pm
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Cydoniaquest, Last time I'm gonna talk to ya...Why would they spray their own?1) They are being told what they are doing is for the good of man-kind, like mass innoculation via aerosol, helping improve the ozone or weather 2) The airforce isn't doing it so they are not spraying there own and whoever IS may have vaccine against it and if it is a "black-op", those kind don't care about anything anyhow! Now your arguement goes to altitudes because you have nothing else left. I never said chemplanes in the city are at 1,200...In city they are as low as 18,000-20,000...and I know lots of people that take pictures and try to submit to media, it don't happen. Besides, most people don't do so much about anything because they don't care about anyone but themselves! As for FAA, been there, done that...Tried all your brilliant suggestions already! Why do you think I post Pictures and articles on the web? Because that is the only place still "free" and left to reach vast amounts of people. And finally, call the Sheriff to report? These "pot-belly" stovers take 45 minutes to an hour to show up for a B and E, they sure aren't gonna worry about other such events as I state occurred. You sound an awful lot like a "chem-de-bunker" from other chemsites called Jay Reynolds. Anyway, I don't care who you are or what you think or believe as you have a closed mind on the subject and I'm going to keep doing what I do inspite of you or anyone else. Like I've said, I hope I'm wrong about negative aspects to chems, but until we are all sure... Me thinks "You protest too much"! I explain and educate...you manipulate and don't think...if you have kids and what I say is true, you are the one that should at least check it out more instead of attacking and bitchin. I'm done wasting time with this thread...only came back to inform that picture is working now at Rense Site with article..last nite, no pic was up yet. Do what you want, believe what you want...You probably voted for Bush too...New World order probably would do something sinister like mentioned and not give a s##t! Bye, dweeb. |
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Deltastarr
Joined: 20 Feb 2001
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Location: Bossier City, Louisiana, USA |
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Sat Feb 24, 2001 3:10 pm
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For anyone who missed the picture at Jeff Renses Site in with the article about the "chem" event over SAC base, the picture is there today with the article and wasn't yesterday. Worth checking out. The site info again is http://www.sightings.com/general8/xmarksthespot.htm Just www.sightings.com enuf as noticed other chem related articles today also. Well, bye folks, done posting at this thread now as got too much to do investigating and don't want to take away time from that. Bye and good luck. |
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cydoniaquest
Joined: 12 Aug 2000
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Sat Feb 24, 2001 7:00 pm
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Delta,
For someone with such a high IQ, you don't seem to read too well. Read my points again. Where is it that you think I'm “attacking” you, “bitching” or “de-bunking” chemtrails??!!
I'm simply keeping you on the straight and narrow, because your original impression (as I keep repeating, and you keep failing to acknowledge) was that this "spraying" occurred at 1200 feet over a city or a town. We now find that not only was this in a rural area, but possibly within, around and over a SAC base??!! If these were hostile aircraft, don't you think the airbase commander, and tower controller would have a problem with allowing the aircraft to fly within the ATA or MOA (if so designated)?
Point is, if they were spraying, then they were spraying their own....right? If they were over the base, then they were allowed over the base (or within the 5nm ATA). If this was a chemical designed to make people sick, then why would they spray a rural area, anyway? These are basic and reasonable questions you need to address in order that this issue be taken seriously.....not attacks.
Oh, and this isn't 1200 feet! If it was over a SAC base, then it may in fact be a positive indication that chemtrails are not an attempt to affect humans on the ground but may have another purpose altogether. I wonder if there wasn't a VORTAC in the vicinity?
[Edited 2 times, lastly by cydoniaquest on 02-24-2001] |
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cydoniaquest
Joined: 12 Aug 2000
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Sat Feb 24, 2001 9:44 pm
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Man...I screwed up the margins
again with that picture!
Hey, I'm going to try to
get a photo of chemtrails
over Washington DC.
This would prove two things:
One: That these are not commercial
jets
Two: That whatever they may be
spraying might not be specifically
designed to affect people on the ground.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by cydoniaquest on 02-24-2001] |
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Thermit
Joined: 08 Jul 2000
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Location: Texas |
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Mon Feb 26, 2001 6:13 pm
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n4wind,
Here's some more info about the trails that the air show jets produce from Al over at Chemtrail and Company....
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http://www.coolboard.com/msgshow.cfm/msgboard=93362682249756&msg=51442091649267&page=3&idDispSub=421829323606015
Actually the air show boys don't inject anything into the engine itself, as even with the dual ignition spark plug set up (two plugs in each cylinder with twin magnetos for dual ignition as a safety backup), it tends to foul the plugs. The FAA gets real ticked off about it too, as it will violate the operating regs for the powerplant, even on a "Restricted" catagory airwothiness certificate, which is what most of the airshow and crop duster guys operate under. They either use a special exhaust manifold with the smoke tank fed into it, or else a heat muff on the exhaust which ducts the heat to the spray pipe with the oil feed to it separate. You are quite correct that usually parafin is used, or cut grade turbine fuel. Sometimes additives are put in the smoke tank to increase the persistance of the "trails" or to produce various coloured effects.
Although I thought they used smoke packs, since the trails are sometimes red, white and blue...
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