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roman
Joined: 20 Sep 2000
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Mind Control or what ?
 Sat Mar 03, 2001 3:37 am
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Hi I don't post on message boards very often. So please excuse my poor grammar and spelling. Something has been bothering me from the first time that I seen the catagory called Chemtrails in Jeff Rense's website.I read just about everything and make my own decisions on true or not .But for over a month after I had seen the catagory I just would not even look at the articles, It was as if something would not let me even move the mouse over and click. Why? I still to this day can't tell you. I do a lot of research on the net because I write Science fiction stories and one day about a year ago I visited Cliffords site while looking for something else! Oop's Red pill time another one has awakened Thanks folk s . Here in South east Ohio we get sprayed almost every day everyone here seems to have the {flu like sinus thing} and like I used to be think you are some kind of nut if you try to tell them that the lines in the sky are anything other then normal.So tell me Did any of you react like I did in the beginning. Thanks Roman..... |
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Thermit
Joined: 08 Jul 2000
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Sat Mar 03, 2001 3:54 am
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Roman, when I first ran into the term Chemtrails on the Internet, all I really did was laugh and mentally roll my eyes. I thought "What have these conspiracy freaks latched onto now ???" 
I didn't really check into it at that time, maybe I wasn't ready to deal with it. I hadn't really observed Chemtrails in the sky before, but in the recent past I had noticed some very strange clouds that had caused me remark out-loud to someone about them. Months later, I bumped into some Chemtrail material and actually considered it, the rest is history... |
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Swedishoo
Joined: 09 Aug 2000
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Sat Mar 03, 2001 4:19 am
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Hi Roman, you're not alone with your thinking. At first you don't even want to know about it because inside your soul you don't want to believe that something sinister is happening, especially with the possibility our government allowing it to happen. I watched Chemtrails and read the only known message board (GeeZee's GroundZero, which is no longer), for a long time before finally posting. It's not that I was shy, it's that I just couldn't believe that this was actually happening and I watched as people slowly from all over the US came on to the board. It was (and still is) a bone chilling thought. I have friends who are proud and boast about being sheeple and say, "Ignorance is Bliss". There may be some truth is this, but I know what I was seeing was not right and I couldn't put a blind eye to it. I had to know the truth...and we're still all seeking.
Christy
Chemtrail and Company
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roman
Joined: 20 Sep 2000
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Location: Marietta Ohio USA |
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Sat Mar 03, 2001 4:20 am
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Thanks Thermit.I am glad to see that others reacted like I did but I still don't understand it because that just isn't normal for me. I grew up in Northern Ohio in the shadow of Wright Patterson AFB and know a contrail when I see one. What we are seeing now is not normal,but you know I never even noticed .So when I try to expain to friends that what is going on above our heads is not normal.and they give me that Well it looks just like it always did To me number.I just can't help but wonder if just maybe someone is telling them Don't look up ....Roman |
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cydoniaquest
Joined: 12 Aug 2000
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Sat Mar 03, 2001 5:54 am
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My first experience with "chemtrails" was June of 99 driving semis for a market chain here in Sacramento (Raley's). As a truck driver. I was always in a position to watch the sky, and I was struck with how these voluminous white "contrails" could quickly turn a perfectly blue summer sky to overcast.
In my opinion, they were worse that year than any I've seen since....so I actually started noticing something unusual with the volume and persistence of contrails before I heard anyone talk about them....then I caught an Art Bell show with William Thomas....and had an Ah Ha experience. Even then, I was still a bit skeptical, and thought it possible that some of the patterns Thomas was talking about were formed over VORs....like the spoke patterns for instance. Then I actually witnessed one descend to ground level, and that's when I became convinced that something out of the ordinary was going on. Before I was aware that other message boards existed on the subject and there were even people who de-bunked this stuff, I even tried to start an unsuccessful message board which "Anne: commented on a few times (thank you Anne).....but decided that message board hosting wasn’t my strong point.....so I've been bothering good people like Christy and Mark ever since.
I’ve noticed many anomalies since my first Ah Ha experience....so I'm far from convinced that what we are seeing is completely normal, despite what the debunkers say...but I do like to keep all possibilities open.
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mark sky
Joined: 14 Oct 2000
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Location: SW coast of Oregon |
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Sat Mar 03, 2001 7:10 am
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looking back from what i know now, i would have to say that my first symptoms were in 1989, my first sighting anomily in 1994(Sacramento CA); first odd feeling in September 1998,first hearing of abnormal flight in 11/98, first 3 month flu like symptoms started 11/98, first public discussion heard about it on AM radio in 2/99, first actual sighting in 3/99,
and there has been no going back since it sunk home... |
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Rt
Joined: 01 Feb 2001
Posts: 9
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Sat Mar 03, 2001 5:06 pm
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All I know Roman, is that no one hardly looks up in the sky, when I point out the unusual 'contrails', I receive weird looks, and any articles, well written, that I forward, is a topic they never want to touch. |
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nsasucks
Joined: 02 Jan 2001
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Sat Mar 03, 2001 11:12 pm
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Awareness...Yeah, I became aware of CTs back in 97, when I was digging into something and had someone in the FBI say to me "You know, we aren't spraying anyone..." I didn't know until then such was occuring. I then went over all my pictures from 1975 onward and found from 1985, cts all over. Mainly in the 80s, in Utah, Colo, and Arizona. After about 1992, EVERYWHERE. So, I believe this has been the norm for much longer than the 1998 BS that is going around. Everyone is sick.
Regarding Rense. I've seen papers - well written expose's with REAL documentaion - on the net, that the authors claimed that Rense refused to post. Mostly he does essays without smoking gun documentation. If the writer provides actual scans and other stuff, Rense doesn't seem to go with it. I've heard this about fifty times over the last four years. Oates, Radioman, and others as well as former Intel operatives all have stated that Rense wont' go with their smoking gun stuff. As long as the article only IMPLIES problems without real "nailed to the wall" facts, it gets on his site.
Check it out. Do your own thinking. I'm sure all these people are liars and are making it up. |
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roman
Joined: 20 Sep 2000
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Location: Marietta Ohio USA |
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Sun Mar 04, 2001 12:48 am
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I also think that maybe this program has been going on a lot longer then we all believe. I also have been going over old vacation pictures from the Florida Keys, but so far nothing past 98 in south Florida.It is the same up here in Ohio 98 up plenty of trails but nothing before that.I never go West thease days so I couldn't verify that info about Colorado. By the way nsasucks I liked your fighting back series .Thanks Roman.... |
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mark sky
Joined: 14 Oct 2000
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Sun Mar 04, 2001 2:40 am
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one magazine with a lot of SKY in it is National Geographic, so far it looks like 1983 is about when things began to change... |
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nsasucks
Joined: 02 Jan 2001
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Sun Mar 18, 2001 9:46 pm
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NG is good, but also those documentaries all over cable have CTs in them galore. The copyright dates at the end of the shows reveals that many of the docus on cable were made in the early 90s, which again shows to allllllllllllllll concerned that this has been going on much longer than the spases would have you believe (late 98 onward, right)
Don't fall for that 2 years only nonsense, the facts reveal it to be over ten years and heavy. |
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Norrin Radd
Joined: 04 Nov 2000
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Sun Mar 18, 2001 11:00 pm
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Roman,
I know exactly what you mean about mind control.
When I started researching the CFR and Mititary research, I had the same problem. It felt like I had to break through a wall, just to be able to contimue reading certain types of information. I felt like this many times. It seems there has at least been some conditioning to the word "conspiracy" and possibly several other key words. How we are being conditioned, I am not really sure, but it is difficult sometimes to read certain types of information.
I live in Akron and I first started observing chemtrails a few days after I read the first article Wm. Thomas wrote on ENS.
It seems many people have been so well conditioned, that just the word "conspiracy" attached t oany subject, makes that subject a bunch of crap.
You see, most Americans don't want to have to think anymore than they already do. They have been letting the media do their thinking for years now, it is so much easier than reading and searching for the truth.
Brent in Akron
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roman
Joined: 20 Sep 2000
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Location: Marietta Ohio USA |
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Mon Mar 19, 2001 12:54 am
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Thanks for your reply Brent. Down here on the river we get sprayed almost every day.I am sure you probably get the same thing up in Akron . Ohio must be a valuable target for whoever is pushing this agenda.Everyone here is got the Sinus /Flu/Thing that the Doctors dont have a clue how to treat, some days are worse then others .I have taken lots of pictures over the years in the valley .I have been going through them all lately 1997 is the earliest trail that I can see and I think it may have just been a Contrail .As for the mind control,I wonder because I have always tried to keep a open mind it is very unlike me to resist looking into just about any topic. roman.... |
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Delphi
Joined: 17 Mar 2001
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Tue Mar 20, 2001 1:20 pm
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The chemtrail scenario is real alright. Even if they do show up in old pictures, means nothing...maybe they were a "warm-up" exercise. Maybe there wasn't any "junk" in them then but now there is...The difference in them now is some folks are getting sick from them with a long-lasting "flu-like" illness that lasts longer than any flu in the past and does not respond well to treatment. Maybe something changed about them or something has been added to the "trails". I had a "bad" response to the chem scenario at first but once I started taking pictures for long hours of the trails and noticed many anomalies and "patterns" to the events and the wierd "designs" going every-which-way that "normal" air traffic simply would not be making, and then got sick from being out in the air taking pics with that "flu-like deal...I realised some things. And then when I saw how "hard" debunkers work on the subject even though they feel it is bs makes anyone figure they protest too much and that there is something to this whole sorry mess. Good luck and take care. D. |
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