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teresa
Joined: 30 Nov 2000
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Chemtrails at night?
 Fri Mar 09, 2001 6:49 am
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Can you tell me if you've seen chemtrails being layed at night?
It is almost midnight here, and for the first time ever I walked out on my porch to get something and saw a HUGE thick trail. It just made me mad like all the other times i notice them! |
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Lulu
Joined: 22 Dec 2000
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Fri Mar 09, 2001 7:08 am
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Hi teresa...while I haven't actually seen the trails being laid at night...too dark lol...I have seen chemtrails laid at sunset which spread over this city at night. Two nights ago I saw just that and noticed a magenta/blue ring around the moon as a trail was right over the moon making the ring visible. Those chem pilots must get a lot of overtime pay! |
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Anne
Joined: 04 Feb 2001
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Fri Mar 09, 2001 8:02 am
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On a moon lite night I have seen trails running across the sky. We have had air traffic overhead at real late hours at night. I guess that they are busy up there. These pilots live in those planes and probably don't come down for days at a time. They can get refueled up there. |
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Moose
Joined: 02 Jan 2001
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Location: Fargo, ND |
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Fri Mar 09, 2001 1:34 pm
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Yes, last summer I saw some that were actually quite beautiful in the moonlight...very high, however. My brother saw a chemtrail one night about a year ago that he estimates was no higher than 1000 feet. I saw a pearl colored chemtrail early last summer about an hour before sunrise that snaked from east to west high above town. It didn't dissipate and didn't seem to fade for the half hour or so I observed...just hung there, looking for all the world like a some giants had been pulling taffy in the sky. Its color was in stark contrast to the dark sky above it. |
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Ellyn
Joined: 16 Jul 2000
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Mon Mar 12, 2001 11:16 am
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I saw heavy chemtrail spraying activity at night in Spokane, Washington, on March 9 at 8:00 p.m. and later and on March 10 and 11. It seems as though Spokane, Washington, gets sprayed morning, noon, and night.
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Dirk Digler
Joined: 16 Mar 2001
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Wed Mar 21, 2001 11:54 pm
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i have always thought that spraying at night would be much better than spraying during the day. why spray during the day when everyone can see what you are doing when you could spray at night when it is much easier to hide it.
one question for those who have observed the chemtrails at night; as difficult as it is to discern the difference between contrails and chemtrails during the day, how were you able to determine that the trails you observed under moonlight were in fact chem- and not con- ? |
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Delphi
Joined: 17 Mar 2001
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Location: S. Bossier, Louisiana |
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Fri Mar 23, 2001 3:51 am
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Hi Teresa, I have seen chemtrails quite a few times down south here in La. at night. One night, it was a bright, full moon, and I could see the chems very well! They were well illuminated and long-lasting and wide, just the same as the daytime ones. I guess I kinda answered Dirks question just now also. That is mainly how I can tell the difference, same as the day-time chems...same characteristics. The planes even in the day seem extra quiet to me, so I didn't always spot the planes but would go outside to check on my pups or something, and notice the "typical", long-lasting, wide, thick trails. In fact, the chemplanes started late here today, around 4 p.m. and lasted til after dark awhile. Take care all. Joanne |
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Thermit
Joined: 08 Jul 2000
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Fri Mar 23, 2001 4:05 am
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Dirk, a very easy way to tell the difference between Chemtrails and contrails is the radical difference in persistence. Most contrails I've observed in the Houston area are less than 30 seconds in persistence. When conditions are good for contrailing, we might see persistence of a couple of minutes. But Chemtrails last for many hours, pretty much no matter what. Also, extensively using Flight Explorer, I've never detected any commercial flights with persistence that long. These hours-long trails always seem to be coming from flights that don't appear on Flight Explorer, when I've been able to check. You can read the details of my research in my report. |
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Dirk Digler
Joined: 16 Mar 2001
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Fri Mar 23, 2001 8:23 pm
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thermit,
by the way, you have a nice web site here. i enjoy coming here.
as far as the radical difference in persistance, i am not sure what to say to you except that it is a well known meteorological fact that not only can contrails persist for very long periods, they can actually form into cirrus proper and remain the entire day. maybe i have misunderstood your point. i am not sure who told you that contrails normally only last for 30 seconds or so, but that is just not true. i guess the majority of the time (more than 50% of the time) they dissipate rather quicky, but there are many days where the last for long periods of time. this has been happening for as long as contrails have been up there.
no promises, but if i have time i will try to find a link on the web to literature that deals with this.
-"Also, extensively using Flight Explorer, I've never detected any commercial flights with persistence that long"
well, i am not that familiar with that software but i can tell you that i have witnessed this phenomona for as long as i can remember. it tends to happen a lot in front of an approaching front. as a matter of fact i have seen a lot of posts here that state somthing like "they sure were spraying heavy today. trying to get it in i guess before the bad weather moves in to tomorrow." this makes sense actually.
anyway, thanks for the comments
[Edited 2 times, lastly by Dirk Digler on 03-23-2001] |
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Thermit
Joined: 08 Jul 2000
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Fri Mar 23, 2001 8:33 pm
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quote:
i am not sure who told you that contrails normally only last for 30 seconds or so, but that is just not true.
Please don't twist my words.
That isn't what I said.
Anyway, my statements are based on months of detailed research, so I know what I'm talking about. I've seen contrails last for 25 mintutes, but is is a simple fact that most contrails here in Houston are less than 30 seconds on persistence. It sounds like you need to read the report. |
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Dirk Digler
Joined: 16 Mar 2001
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Fri Mar 23, 2001 11:38 pm
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thermit,
didnt mean to twist your words. i havent had to read your report yet but it looked comprehensive as quickly glanced at it. i look forward to reading it when i can.
i guess that what you are saying is that your trails are persisting even when conditions arent conduscive for it. if this is the case and you have absolute data to back it up then this is important. this is what is needed. my point is that people posting "i saw a persitant trail today, so it has to be a chemtrail" is inaccurate. most of the posts that i have read mention nothing about investigating the conditions.
just to make sure though, you agree with me that there is nothing unusual about a contrail spreading out and lasting for hours? |
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Thermit
Joined: 08 Jul 2000
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Fri Mar 23, 2001 11:51 pm
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I agree that that concept is scientifically accepted. It is also probably true. Although, it isn't my personal experience.
>> i guess that what you are saying is that your trails are persisting even when conditions arent conduscive for it.
Actually, that isn't exactly it. It is the huge difference between contrails from planes on Flight Explorer and the trails from planes not on Flight Explorer...
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Thermit on 03-23-2001] |
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