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RidesTheWind

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Anyone for class action? Fri Mar 09, 2001 7:41 pm

i was just wondering if anyone had given serious thought to a massive, cross the country class action suit over chemtrails? I
am not a lawyer so I may be way off track here and perhaps it is not even possible, but if it is, why not? We may not win but it will bring much wanted press to the elusive
chemtrails. Thousands of normal,everyday people can't all be wrong.We need to think this one over.

Jane2

Joined: 24 Jan 2001
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Thu Mar 15, 2001 12:32 am

Yes, a class action suit is inevitable!

Many of us love the idea of a class action suit in regards to our government's chemtrail misadventure.

There was a lively discussion about such a suit on the Carnicom board recently (www.Carnicom.com). If you have not been to that site before, look on the left hand side of the Carnicom home page for "Message Board." Double click there and when the list of forums comes up, click on the first choice which is "Chemtrails". After you see a list of most recent threads in the Chemtrail forum, scroll down to the bottom of the page and you will see a line of page numbers. Hit page 15 and open the thread "Let's file a billion Dollar Class Action Lawsuit" from January 2001. In this thread I presented information on the $100 billion dollar class action suit recently filed in Spokane against the military-industrial contractors who cruelly and maliciously used our area as a radiation test site in the 1950s.

One of the contractors named in this suit is Lockheed, which has long had a suspicious interest in monitoring the Carnicom chemtrail site. Lockheed's interest in what people are saying about chemtrails naturally leads us to believe that this megalith may be part of the gruesome web of chemtrail participants-- which is not hard to believe of a company previously involved in heavily irradiating people without their knowledge or consent.

TintDude

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Sat Mar 17, 2001 3:29 am

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Jane2

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Sat Mar 17, 2001 8:45 am

Will Thomas says, "People sickened by chemtrails are easier to control....Mass media brainwashing, orchestrated fears of unemployment, a cornucopia of legal and illicit drugs and the further mind-muddle caused by incessant din, experimental electromagnetic weaponry and rapidly rising microwave smog have already created a beffudled and docile public too frightened, apathetic or mesmerized even to look up at the outrageous aerial patterns being wovern right over their heads."

Don't expect such a crowd as that could muster so much as a pop from their little toy guns.

RidesTheWind

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Sat Mar 24, 2001 2:11 am

Ones mind can only be controled if one allows it to be.These chemtrails aren't going to stop any time soon,so the thing we all need to be concentrating on is detoxing our bodies continually to stay healthy and not secumb to their toxicity.Steam your pores clean and release the poisons,use a slant board to slant upside down to clear out congestion, use essential oils,and clear out your homes of toxins like candles,
pesticides,cleaning supplies etc.All of these are toxins and so you compromise your levels of acceptance of toxins everyday and your bodies never get a break.If we are already saturated when chemtrails come along,then we fall sick and weaken ourselves further.Those willing to work at staying healthy will stay healthy.Health is in the mind too and how we view life.The people who feel they have no power are the ones that shall fall prey to the very fears they manifest. If you go back to the beginning of this country it states this country was to be run by the people for the people, so why are we all allowing this to continue as if we didn't have a say in the matter? Submissiveness will not get us anywhere.We are the people and this is not acceptable,
therefore it is up to us to see that either the laws are changed or government as we know it must be changed NOW, not later.

TintDude

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Sat Mar 24, 2001 2:42 am

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RidesTheWind

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Sat Mar 24, 2001 12:32 pm

Those are the chances we all take Tintdude. To go against the Government is not for the faint hearted. If you really want to get things done that's what you've got to do though. Are you going to sit back and just write your frustration on a comment board or are you willing to take your beliefs all the way to the top and end this injustice? If enough of America startts to speak out about this the Government has no choice but to listen to the people.You have to be as passionate as the visonarys who faught to end slavery way back when.America has become so docile about life,so uninvolved in every way that we have given the Gov.carte blanche
to do whatever they want.Ending chemtrails will take more than writing on message boards.

nsasucks

Joined: 02 Jan 2001
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Sat Mar 24, 2001 5:07 pm

Go against the government? I hear you and have fought that issue for years on a personal level, but you should know that without a resource network of trusted friends, well hidden documents, film based photographs, impecable depositions...and a death wish...any action toward Big Brother will have but one outcome for the individual.

He/she will be crushed without mercy.

Now, if you live alone, have no young children, and all that, then by all means, form your group, establish protocols and get to work. BUT, like Tintdude says, the weight of the system's hammer is heavy indeed. If you've read the fighting backs series, you know I speak from an experienced frame of reference.

My insides tell me it will be things like the spotlight running articles, then Drudge, then the groundswell and word of mouth will have gotten too far, too fast for containment. I mean I hope so.

I believe that to safely do this is to wait until that happens, because the reasoning becomes, "hey, boss...whadda we gonna do, whack out half a million people who are talking about it?"

Keep the faith, the numbers are growing. It is just a matter of time.

Jane2

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Sat Mar 24, 2001 5:56 pm

Nasa and Rides, you are both RIGHT ON.

The task before us is scary. It is also "impossible."

But WE CAN DO IT! What choice do we have?

Death by assassination loses its terror as we watch them sicken and kill our loved ones an inch at a time.

RidesTheWind

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Sat Mar 24, 2001 6:07 pm

Did Erin Brockovich back down to pressure? Did the lawyers in ' A Civil Action'worry about who walked behind them? No...This position is not to be taken by all. We all came into being with our purposes and our callings. Some do well out front making the waves,others do well behind the scenes collecting samples,taking photos,getting interviews...Whatever. We all must do what we as individuals do best, but DO it WE MUST!
Yes we must wait for the timing of this matter to catch up to where we are, then things will begin falling into place slowly,
just as they are right now. I'm just saying stay busy doing what you can to help the cause while you're waiting for Shadowland to crash and burn.It won't be too long.Their military is falling apart,their food sources are becoming contaminated,they are fast loosing the trust of more and more people and their stock markets of greed are deteriorating rapidly. The crash is well under way thank God.

nsasucks

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Sat Mar 24, 2001 7:22 pm

Erin B...right on. But...she had well-hidden documents, a network of friends (the book had better detail, btw), impeccable depositions, lab reports, and money. The movie sort of distilled down her resources, but read the book. And that's what I'm saying, learn from her experiences, don't make the same mistakes, and GET PREPARED BEFORE YOU ACT. Because the FBI will f**k you like RIGHT NOW. Especially with something like chemtrails. Trust me on this.

nsasucks

Joined: 02 Jan 2001
Posts: 526
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Sat Mar 24, 2001 7:31 pm

Lastly, this:

For every successful Erin B, there are a thousand (1000) dead activists/whistle blowers we never heard of. That's a fact. For real.

Do the research. Surf the web. The data is out there.

Does that mean don't act? No way. What I am saying is BE PREPARED. LEARN HOW THE OPPOSITION FUNCTIONS AND BE READY FOR THE INEVITABLE HAMMER WHEN IT FALLS ON "YOUR" HEAD.

If you don't, your activism will be short-lived, you will be discredited, and your life laid waste.

All I'm saying is be smarter, faster, and hipper than evil. It's your only chance. And, you better hope you get a little divine intervention at the right time and moment if you do. If you listened to guys and gals from the sixties as I have, they will tell just how unbelievably nasty our fascist government can be if you cross the public line of exposure. Be ready to lose everything and I MEAN EVERYTHING. Just sift through a few of THOSE FIGHTING BACKS and you'll understand how vicious these goons *will* be toward you.

Peace.

RidesTheWind

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Sat Mar 24, 2001 7:35 pm

I know what you're saying NSASUCKS, but we will get no where with this if people behind the scenes aren't gathering the information you speak of....If even just a hand full of people go after something that can be used for evidence, that adds up over time. We have the advatage of the masses who are operating as we speak. Pictures speak a thousand words, discovered documents hidden online in amoungst the garbage....It all will add up fast because so many are on this.
It will work if each person persues an area
of importance and sticks with it until they come up with something.The internet has severely weakened our opponents strength. We now have speed and the masses and hoardes of available info at our fingertips.Thats a tough nut to crack.You give them more power than they deserve...Once you can free yourself from Shadowland thinking and realize the REAL strength lies within each of us and gets multiplied through contact, we have nothing to fear.It is they who are fearful and their actions show it.What they are doing could only be done out of fear.
They are at the disadvantage here.

nsasucks

Joined: 02 Jan 2001
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Sat Mar 24, 2001 7:40 pm

RTW,
we are agreeing with each other. My point is and always will be, that if you choose something like a class action or some kind of public campaign, prepare FIRST.

...or suffer the consequences.

mark sky

Joined: 14 Oct 2000
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Sat Mar 24, 2001 9:46 pm

I have been doing a lot more book reading and less posting lately, reading Dr. Leonard Horowitz's latest two books (1000+ pages) and "Undue Influence" by Ron Arnold. Together these books tye up where the powers behind all this tribulation come from. Their history is deep, as are their pockets, and controls. Yet they like to be invisable, and since they also own and control basically all the media, they can remain hiden as they spoon out their controlled "news" to further confuse. This little tidbit below came from Leonard Horowitz "Biolodgical Apocolyps" book. There is so much more in the book, HARRPs uses for mind control, vacines uses for mind control,Implants for mind control, frequencys for mind control.
Basically he has their agenda down so well.
an example, We have the big oil companies funding the "environmental groups" (from Undue Influence) to the tune of millions per year, then we have the environmental groups and news media screaming dayly about "global warming", while only those scientists who agree with "global warming" get funded by the same shadow NWO folks. No environmental group seems to want to take on the BIG ATMOSPHERIC HEATER (HARRP) that turns natural gas into directed atmospheric HEATING, funny HARRP is run by (what used to be) ARCO (an oil company)
If this was not all so "transparent and laughable~~~ well the only way i can think about this is that mind control was studied and applied before these other elements could be put into place. I se the camps as a fall back plan they hope they dont have to use. They want everyone to stay asleep as they slowly apply their eugenics program of depopulation "for the environment of course"
big oil and big money (Chase~Rockefeller~Standard Oil) and big pharmicutical (which is big oil) now in the last few years bought up all the major seed companies in the world.
and the EPA and Food and drug administration have agreed to look the other way as wierd genes are spliced into each major crop.I could say alot more but a class action suit would have to include a lot of people, and i mean as defendants!

http://www.cranfield.ac.uk/public/mn/mn091a/cti97/f97134/2458.HTM
Report From Iron Mountain
This was the secret report of the Special Study Group of fifteen people
brought together during the Kennedy years. The proposal for the study group
came around 1961 and it was established in August 1963. Among those
assembled is claimed by some researchers to have been John Kenneth
Galbraith (CFR), the Keynesian economist. The first and last meetings were
at Iron Mountain, an underground facility near the town of Hudson, New
York. It is a place where important documents are stored and the base for
the emergency corporate headquarters for corporations like Standard Oil of
New Jersey (the Rockefeflers, Exxon), Manufacturers Hanover Trust
(Rothschilds), and Shell. The content of the report was revealed by one of
the group who believed the public should know what it contained. This group
member had the code name 'John Doe' and his friend, Leonard C. Lewin,
produced a document summarising the Iron Mountain report. I have a copy of
this. (71) It says that the idea for the study came from members of the
Kennedy Administration like Robert McNamara (TC, CFR, Bil), McGeorge Bundy
(TC, CFR, Bil), and Dean Rusk (TC, CFR, Bil). The brief was to study the
implications of a world without war while still maintaining the control of
the population wielded by war and the fear of war. Part of the report said:

"There is no question [that] a universal requirement that procreation be
limited to the products of artificial insemination would provide a fully
adequate substitute control for population levels. Such a reproductive
system would, of course, have the added advantage of being susceptible to
direct eugenic management. Its predictable further development - conception
and embryonic growth taking place wholly under laboratory conditions -
would extend these controls to their logical conclusion. The ecological
function of war under these circumstances would not only be superseded, but
surpassed in effectiveness.

"The indicated immediate step - total control of conception with a variant
of the ubiquitous 'pill', via water supplies or certain essential
foodstuffs, offset by a controlled 'antidote' - is already under
development."

Remember this was the 1960s. More than thirty years have passed since then
and such an 'indicated immediate step' was 'already under development'. So
what the hell is going on today in our water supplies and essential
foodstuffs, both of which are largely controlled by Elite companies? Also,
just look again at what Professor Paul Ehrlich said in his book, "The
Population Bomb", published two years after this secret report was
completed in 1966. He said that governments could enforce birth control by
the addition of "temporary sterilants to water supplies or staple
food...... Yet another amazing coincidence. The Report From Iron Mountain
laid out the nctions of war which new policies would have to replace:

1) Economic. War has provided both ancient and modern societies with a
dependable system for stabilising and controlling national economies. No
alternate method of control has yet been tested in a complex modern economy
that has shown itself remotely comparable in scope or effectiveness.

2) Political. The permanent possibility of war is the foundation for stable
government; it supplies the basis for general acceptance of political
authority. It has enabled societies to maintain necessary class
distinctions, and it has ensured the subordination of the citizen to the
state, by virtue of the residue war powers inherent in the concept of
nationhood. No modern political ruling group has successfully controlled
its constituency after failing to sustain the continuing credibility of an
external threat of war

3) Sociological. War, through the medium of military institutions, has
uniquely served societies, throughout the course of known history, as an
indispensable controller of dangerous [free-thinking] social dissidence and
destructive antisocial tendencies.

4) Ecological. War has been the principle evolutionary device for
maintaining a satisfactory ecological balance between gross human
population and supplies availablefor survival. It is unique to the human
species.

Very nice, I'm sure. So what did these 'experts' suggest as alternatives to
further world wars? Unite the people behind the controllers under the
threat of war or some other form of destruction and keep them in a
permanent state of fear, therefore dependent on their perceived 'saviours'.
In the light of this need to control without world war, the Report From
Iron Mountai proposed the following for consideration:

"An omnipresent, virtually omnipotent international police force [a world
army now called the United Nations Peace Keeping Force and NATO]; an
established and recognised extraterrestrial menace [now being engineered
with the themes of horrible aliens and a possible invasion of Earth?];
massive global environmental pollution; fictitious alternate enemies; a
modern, sophisticated form of slavery; new religions or other mythologies;
a comprehensive programme of applied eugenics."

All of these things have emerged since the report was completed. There you
see the proposal for the environmental threat/eugenics scenario which was
to follow very soon afterwards. The report called for the establishment of
a secret War/Peace Research Agency using "unaccountable funds" which would
study both the peace and war options. Among the research required, said the
report, was the "...determination of minimum and optimum levels of
destruction of life, property, and natural resources prerequisite to the
credibility of external threat essential to the political and motivational
functions" [and] "the frequency of occurrence, length of phase, intensity
of physical destruction, extensiveness of geographical involvement, and
optimum mean loss of life". This is the deeply imbalanced state of mind
behind those who promote and manipulate into being the New World Order, and
conflicts are created to fit in with this plan - the war in the former
Yugoslavia being another example.

In this chapter, I have described the network of Round Table-Royal
Institute of International Affairs-Council on Foreign Relations-Bilderberg
Group-Trilateral Commission-United Nations-European Union-Club of Rome,
which together constitute a secret government of the world acting outside
and above what laughably passes as the 'democratic process'. I have further
shown that the members of these groups follow a long tradition of
manipulators working from the same agenda of world government, central
bank, currency, and army, and a genetically engineered, microchipped
population. But the organisation behind the New World Order coup d'etat is
far wider and more complex than this network of front organisations. They
are a vital part, but only a part, of the Pyramid of Deceit.

Notes

(70) "Report From Iron Mountain on the Possibility and Desirability of
Peace". With introductory material from Leonard C. Lewin (Pirate Press,
England).

(71) According to the foreword to the document I have, "John Doe" was a
professor at a large university in the mid-west of America. His field of
work was one of the social sciences.

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