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RidesTheWind
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Anyone seen this plane???
 Tue Mar 20, 2001 2:29 pm
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Well the mid Atlantic coastline is getting it again today. As i thought they would,they
came early to prepare for the mini Nor'Easter that is due up the coast today.
Has anyone encountered a white plane with bright orange engines??? Its up there cruisin
around. Three white planes went over in a V
shape formation with no contrails at all...I
wonder what that was all about. Its clouding over so fast now I can no longer see them, only hear them. Ghost riders in the sky.It gives a whole new meaning to the song...I wish I felt like singing...... |
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Dirk Digler
Joined: 16 Mar 2001
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Wed Mar 21, 2001 5:44 pm
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hello rides the wind,
not exactly sure what aircraft you were observing. how many engines did it have? were the wing mounted or fuselage mounted?
my best guess would be Virgin Atlantic as they are painted white and have bright red engines that can appear orange tinted at times. they are also well traveled up and down the east coast of the U.S.
i wouldnt put too much into the fact that one aircraft had trails and others different. this is probably explained by them being at different altitudes.
just curious, but why were you startled by the amount of traffic on the eastern seaboard? i do not know exactly where you are located but i can tell you that the eastern coast of the U.S. is one of the busiest airspaces in the entire world. do you not normally see heavy traffic from your location?
hope this helps
DD
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Thermit
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Wed Mar 21, 2001 6:51 pm
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Delphi
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Thu Mar 22, 2001 7:04 am
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Ridesthewind, I have been seeing "dull-white" chemplanes but some have a bright orangish, red under-belly only with only 2 wing mounted engines and a sleek fuselage. Not sure whose or what kinda plane that one is?? Have also seen a few with orangish tail, wings, and sometimes, orange on the engines?? Weird ones. They also have just 2 wing mounted engines. Got a picture today of a strange black, thin jet in amoungst the trails...a different kind still. Busy skies anymore. Even had particulate matter coming out of chems today and draping strands on trees and such. Creepy! Take care and Blessings. |
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Dirk Digler
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Thu Mar 22, 2001 6:38 pm
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delphi,
without seeing photos it is hard to tell what type of aircraft you are seeing. i would imagine that the majority of aircraft that you see at high altitude have two engines as this is the prevelent configuration of modern airliners (737,757,767,a320...)
i would also caution you about making assumptions regarding white fuselages. one of the unfortunate marketing trends in aviation is the use of all white fuselages with just the name of the airline on the side. there are numerous airlines flying with this scheme.
-"Have also seen a few with orangish tail, wings, and sometimes, orange on the engines?? Weird ones. They also have just 2 wing mounted engines."
why is the "weird"? aircraft engines are painted all kinds of colors includeing orange.
"They also have just 2 wing mounted engines."
see my above comment. most airliners have just two engines nowadays
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Dirk Digler on 03-22-2001] |
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Delphi
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Fri Mar 23, 2001 5:21 am
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Dirk, The planes weren't so weird as what they were doing and how low some of them were flying and flying in formation and breaking FAA regs. I know lots of planes only have 2 engines, but the ones I'm concerned about are "spewing" something other than contrails. Debunker, eh, I've argued with a few. No more responses from me to you, my time is too prescious to waste and I can see you are a "company" man...NSA planes also have a certain distinct "look". The public is not as stupid as moe-moes think. Yeh, planes are white but again, it is what they do that makes the difference. I was asked if I'd seen certain types of planes and that's what I answered. |
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RidesTheWind
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Fri Mar 23, 2001 12:16 pm
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Dear Delphi.....Thanks...I don't answer such foolishness in here...You know 'THEY'are
answering these boards and so I just read and laugh at these notes sometimes...Being so close to Washington we get alot of activity in our skies here, but I certainly know the difference between normal flight patterns and planes and what the sky taggers are doing,just as you. Thanks for using your energy in answering that email and not me.
Keep up the good work. |
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Dirk Digler
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Fri Mar 23, 2001 7:55 pm
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mr or ms delphi,
-"The planes weren't so weird as what they were doing and how low some of them were flying and flying in formation and breaking FAA regs."
it is these type if reports that have gotten my attention. all i am saying is that i would like to see some photos or better yet a video of these low flying aircraft spewing some substance so that it can be researched.
in all honesty, all i have seen so far is pictures of upper level trails (whether they be chem- or con-)
i am not a debunker and i do not believe that the public are stupid. sometimes the public are not educated well enough on every subject.
i am not sure if i have seen an NSA aircraft. do you have a photo of one? how do you know that it belongs to the NSA? what type of "distinct look" does it have? are they some sort of futuristic looking stealth aircraft?
you also mention FAA regs. i am just wondering how familiar you are with FAA regs and procedures and what regs were being broken.
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Dirk Digler
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Fri Mar 23, 2001 8:00 pm
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rides the wind,
i am not sure why the tone on this board has turned so sour towards me. i have clearly stated that i have come here with an open mind and concerns.
could you please point out something in one of my posts that demonstrates "foolishness". since all of my posts have been aviation related (because that is my area of knowledge and education) i take it that you feel that your are more knowledgable than I in aviation matters. that is fine. what is your aviation background? |
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Thermit
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Fri Mar 23, 2001 8:13 pm
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Dirk, the FAA rules don't matter much in this case since these trails seem to always be coming from flights not appearing on Flight Explorer, which implies that they are military. There isn't any evidence of NSA planes being involved, if there is such a thing. These birds are most likely AF tankers, but at this time, I can only say that they seem to be military according to my research. You read the report, right? |
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Dirk Digler
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Fri Mar 23, 2001 8:39 pm
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thermit,
thanks for the clarification. i didnt understood what was being implied by the other post.
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mark sky
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Fri Mar 23, 2001 9:57 pm
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Dirk, you say
“in all honesty, all i have seen so far is pictures of upper level trails (whether they be chem- or con-)”
SO TAKE A LOOK AT THESE PHOTOS
This photo was taken from a location two miles from the top of the hill in the background.
The top of the hill is 3011 feet. My position with the camera is at 1200’ standing on the Kerby Oregon bridge over the Illinnios River.
Notice the trails are slightly below the elevation of the top of the hill at some points and definitely not at the 35000 foot elevation that the experts say they can form. For these trails to be at 35000 feet elevation, they would have to be 50 to 60 miles in the distance. You can do the math, or you can just believe what your eyes already tell you, these are low elevation (and I might say a bit strange) trails. They should not form in the first place, and should not grow and persist either.
This is in the middle of a warm spell in May of 1999, I can tell you the temperature on top of this hill is in the 70’s.
This photo of the same trails was taken a half-hour later and 20 miles down wind.
The trails are spreading and not dissipating.
This photo of the same trails {right side circle of original shot} was taken 50 miles down wind and one and a half hours after they were sprayed. I know I have never witnessed so many unusual trails as I have in the last 2 years. I have worked outdoors my whole life, and often check the sky so I don’t get caught by the weather (I live where we normally get 70-100 inches of rain)
[Edited 1 times, lastly by mark sky on 12-13-2001] |
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Dirk Digler
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Fri Mar 23, 2001 11:24 pm
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mark sky,
i have seen this photo before. the contrails are behind the hills at some distance. the distance to the hill is irrelavent. how far is the contrail from the hill? there is now one of telling. it does not touch the hill. it appears to me that these are upper level contrails with a hill in between the camera and the trail. as you know, in order to determine the altitude of the trail in question you need the other two sides of the triangle. you know the distance to the hill but not to the contrail.
mark sky,
if you see the sun behind a building, do you assume that the distance the sun is the same as the distance to the building? then why would you assume that the distance to the trail is relevent to the distance to the hill?
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Dirk Digler
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Fri Mar 23, 2001 11:28 pm
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mark sky,
just a follow up. the patterns can be explained by holding patterns or military training.
looking at the first picture. assuming that you are correct and they are very low chemtrails around the hill, who are they trying to spray in the photo? there is nothing around that hill. looks to be a total wilderness area. |
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RidesTheWind
Joined: 27 Feb 2001
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Sat Mar 24, 2001 1:47 am
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It would appear that we are straying away from the important issue here and that being that we are all together here to bring awareness to chemtrails and try to educate the public to their existence and possible dangers.To squabble over words and insinuations between us all is to waste much needed energy we will need to fight the good fight.Any one posting here should not have to feel the need to defend themselves. A good healthy discussion is vital to our cause and keeps the flow of movement generating,but we must remain open to all possibilities until proof positive of what is really taking place with chemtrails can be made.Until then lets stay together on this and use our collective minds positively to move forward in our push to end chemtrail abuse.Perhaps its time to circle the truckers together to make their move on washington and cars too.What in the world is everyone waiting for? This has got to stop!
We have a right to know the answers as to what is being done to us and why. Let us not loose sight of that.Its what brought us all together in the first place.I for one am very thankful that Chemtrail Central is here for all of us to gather together and share this hideous experience.Now its time for words to become action... |
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