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3T3L1
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Just to keep the catfight going, Duncan, actually the King James Bible was translated from the Koine Greek Textus Receptus (TR). (The New Testament was written in the trade language of the time, Koine Greek--not Latin, Aramaic or Hebrew.) Since the seventeenth century, older Greek texts have become available, and where those differ from the TR, their reading is usually preferred. God did not permit any of the original manuscripts to survive (maybe we would have worshipped the parchments instead of following the teachings written on them), so all of our Greek texts are copies of earlier manuscripts. Consequently, the older the manuscript, the closer it is assumed to be to the originals.
In spite of the fact that the translators of the King James Version were only able to use older Koine Greek manuscripts, the work they did was still very good. In fact, you can use any of the available Koine Greek manuscripts as your source text without making a change in any major doctrine of the Christian faith.
As you pointed out in your discussion of "Thou shalt do no murder," the big problem with the KJV is that the meanings of English words have changed substantially since 1611. Another example is Paul's account of his conversion encounter with Jesus. In Acts 26:14, Jesus tells Paul, "It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks." It's not exactly obvious to 21st century English speakers that Jesus was making an allusion to an ox kicking at ox goads in this passage, but he was.
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penumbra
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Thu Oct 11, 2001 7:51 pm
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Straight from the horses.....
Presenting the Bible to Master Masons
The following is the text which we use to present Bibles to MM's in our Lodge. It is done right after the working tools and presented open: Many Craft Lodges traditionally present a copy of the Holy Bible to their newly obligated brothers. This is normally done when these brethren have just been initiated into Masonic light. Smithtown Lodge has done this after the brother has received further light in order that he may have a better perspective on the meaning of the Great Light in Masonry. There are three vital understandings to be gained and re-affirmed through this presentation: First, that if the Holy Bible is at the center of the Lodge, the Lodge is a holy place. Holy is not to be construed as divine or even divinely-inspired, but, as we are told, separate. Thus, God told Moses to take off his shoes: he was standing in a holy place which should not be profaned with the dirt and dung which shoes collect. In like manner, Masons should view their spirits and their Lodges as holy places where the highest hopes of humanity are as resplendent as the blazing star. Second, that this book presented to you, like paper money, is worthwhile only for what it represents and not for itself. Masonry accepts the Bhagavad Gîtà, the Douay Bible, the King James Version, the Koran, and the Pentateuch among many others which acknowledge and revere a Supreme Architect of the Universe. This book, now given to you in brotherly love, is symbolic of your own faith and not an official version endorsed by Masonry. And third, that if we as upright men and Masons accept and acknowledge a Supreme Architect who is Father of us all, then it must follow that all peace-loving people are truly brothers and should be treated with justice and love. --Bro. Joel Berg, DSA Smithtown #1127 http://www.americanmason.com/didnt.ihtml |
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FLKook
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Fri Oct 12, 2001 12:16 am
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Duncan: Sorry, I can't help you with the additions and subtraction quotes. My memory isn't that good and my dog (puppy at the time shredded it over six years ago). KJV is my Grammy's favorite and I keep that version of New Test. in my purse. It is beautiful language, but hard from me to grasp. I read NIV mostly because of the modern language. I think if you pray for God's Word to touch you and guide you it will.
Cat fight could go on for ever over the different versions. There were not just pages for births, deaths, etc added...there were acutual text differences that my (now gone home to the Lord) grandmother pointed out to me.
Ajax seemed to think it quite palatable though. (He is American Eskimo, Pointer and Pit Bull mix, ate a metal air conditioning vent right off the wall, shredded it without so much as cutting a gum when he was six months old!).
Also, it is my understanding that 95% of the Masons are kept in the dark about the top 5%'s doings. Most think it is a Christian organization, do gooders because of charity involvement. I'm no expert, but I've read some pretty horrific stuff about the organizations upper echelon. Do a search there's tons online about them. As always you've got to wade through the BS and discern for yourself.
Thanks for clearing up the launch mystery. It is hilarious that the news says no launch today, and it shakes the whole house and blazes through the sky...Like we're not going to notice! Ha! |
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Delphi
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Fri Oct 12, 2001 12:27 am
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Delphi
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Fri Oct 12, 2001 1:37 am
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FLKook, Excellent comments! You and I must have been thinking and typing about the same stuff at about the same time or thinking same anyway. It is quite true...Only the highest echelon members know the real "dirt" on what it's all about...some is most unpleasant. Blessings, Jo ^j^ |
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defender
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Fri Oct 12, 2001 1:41 pm
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Delphi,
I knew what you meant by SNL, I usually post it as S&L rip-off! I'd be surprised to see any mention of it at all in future history books for grade school or high school.
All of those BILLIONS of $$$ stolen from FDIC "secured" bank accounts of average and low-income Americans just prior to the Gulf War bought a lot of silence from complicit Media Giants (make that media puppets!). |
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Delphi
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Fri Oct 12, 2001 10:40 pm
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Scanner
Joined: 06 Sep 2001
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Location: Shreveport, LA |
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Fri Oct 12, 2001 11:04 pm
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Joanne, you were looking for a simple answer? Can't speak for everyone who claims to be a Christian, but as for moi...guess I just know where I came from and figure it's possible for anyone to change. I usually take people at their word and give them the benefit of the doubt, then watch and see if their actions match their claims. I had read about GWB's supposed history, but hoped that he had overcome it. I've got lots of doubts now. Just hope I'm wrong. There's not much glory in being "right" when things are as crazy as they are now.
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Delphi
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Fri Oct 12, 2001 11:22 pm
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defender
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Sat Oct 13, 2001 12:15 am
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That's how I feel about the Bushes. I've heard and read some really bad stuff about them involving narco-trafficking, blackmail involving children, the Skull & Bones thing, as I'm sure most of us have.
I really don't want to believe that, so I guess I'm choosing not to. If that were true, the U.S. really could be "The Great Satan" as Khomeni once said.
I can't help but think there are demonic forces at work, as there always must be in times of war, (which I guess is always happening somewhere in the world) and I really pray that our leaders (even though they were never elected as far as I'm concerned, nor have any American presidents since the Electoral College), are not part of the evil.
I believe that God (forces of light) has the power to overcome any evil, though I hope we can see justice in our lifetime, not just in the hereafter? I believe that no person, or organization or country is omnipotent. God will make the final judgement (IMO).
Hope that didn't sound too preachy? Thought I should clarify some things to myself and maybe anyone else who cares? 
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