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Swamp Gas
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Seeker,
Individual buyers can't prop the economy up forever, and since manufacturing is all going to countries that pay 1-5% of what they pay here, the CEO's are getting hit. The buyers love cheaper goods, even if some of it is inferior. The problem lies in high level financiers taking everybody down in their sinking ship. Could deflation be the next step? This is where libs and cons diverge. One says equality for all......SOCIALISM. The other says you get what you work for........CAPIALISM. Now seriously, Seeker, do you personally know anyone who is extreme in either direction? Socialized Capitalist Proxy Democracy is what I'd like to see. Everyone votes for every issue, no leaders, just honest data collectors. Fines if you don't vote. You can make as much money as you want. Everyone gets a basic living quarters with minimal luxury. Sick, injured, and old never have to worry about being abandoned. If you are young and capable, no welfare. Legalize Pot and make other drugs available through prescription. Close the boarders to cheap laborers and let in scientists and artists. Put art and science back as important subjects in school. Cut off the Arabs life line.....OIL. Develop hydrogen and solar on a Manhattan Project level. Again, it'll take a lot more than shopping at Wal-Mart to get everyone happy.
BTW,
Kwanzaa was "invented" in 1966, just the same as Christmas was "invented" by the Romans. The date of December 25th probably originated with the ancient "birthday" of the son-god, Mithra, a pagan deity whose religious influence became widespread in the Roman Empire during the first few centuries A.D. Mithra was related to the Semitic sun-god, Shamash, and his worship spread throughout Asia to Europe where he was called Deus Sol Invictus Mithras. Rome was well-known for absorbing the pagan religions and rituals of its widespread empire. As such, Rome converted this pagan legacy to a celebration of the god, Saturn, and the rebirth of the sun god during the winter solstice period. The winter holiday became known as Saturnalia and began the week prior to December 25th. The festival was characterized by gift-giving, feasting, singing and downright debauchery, as the priests of Saturn carried wreaths of evergreen boughs in procession throughout the Roman temples. Is it a problem that Africans have their own holiday, as do the Jewish, Muslims, Pagans, and Christians, Pagans? |
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Mech
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Sat Dec 28, 2002 7:32 pm
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Talking to Seeker about economics is like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
You are talking to a wall. Seeker has his Wall Street traded nesting egg. I sincerely doubt he gives a rats @$$ about the next man. He's in La la land.
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Mech
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Sat Dec 28, 2002 7:47 pm
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Nearly 800,000 jobless lose aid
In California, 100,000 are affected. Congress could restore funds next month.
By ANDREW GALVIN
The Orange County Register
Nearly 800,000 jobless Americans - already facing a bleak hiring outlook - are today losing their federal unemployment benefits.
A temporary law that allowed workers who had exhausted their 26 weeks of regular unemployment-insurance benefits to get an additional 13 weeks of payments expires today. Congress was unable to agree on a continuation of the program before adjourning this month.
About 100,000 Californians who have been collecting unemployment on the 13-week extension will lose their benefits, said Suzanne Schroeder, a spokeswoman for the state's Employment Development Department. Schroeder didn't know how many of those people are in Orange County.
Unemployment in Orange County stood at 3.9 percent, or 61,000 people, in November, according to state figures released this month.
Alfred Carrillo, a 44-year-old father of four from Orange who lost his $18-an-hour machinist job in July, still has a month of benefits left under the regular 26-week program. But he will stop getting the $330 weekly checks next month unless Congress acts.
"I don't see why they can't do it," he said. "There's money everywhere. There's money in the budget for this, money in the budget for that. We ought to be able to get money out of the pot for an extension."
Democrats and labor unions, sensing political opportunity, are blaming the cuts on President George W. Bush and Republicans in Congress. Bush, in a late show of support for an extension, urged Congress last week to get it done when lawmakers return to work next month.
"Regrettably, the House Republican leadership refused to act, and the administration chose not to intervene before Congress adjourned," Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle said.
Bush has now sent a "very strong message" to Congress to extend the benefits and make them retroactive, said Labor Department spokeswoman Kathleen Harrington.
The agency is confident that benefits will be extended, she said, and has been relaying that to many governors who are calling with questions.
Some states will continue to process claims for benefits and at least one state, Idaho, will keep paying them with the expectation that funding will be available early next year, she said.
California has no plan to extend the benefits until Congress acts, said EDD's Schroeder. "Congress will be meeting about it shortly and presumably will pass something. It could be retroactive, but at this point we just don't know," she said.
Scott Carmichael, 45, of Rowlett, Texas, was laid off in June from his job at WorldCom, where he had worked for 17 years.
Carmichael's state benefits are running out and he had counted on an extra 13 weeks of federal benefits that he now won't get because of Congress' inaction on the extension. The biweekly check of $574 helped him and his wife, Laurie, pay the mortgage and health-care costs for their two children, ages 1 and 3.
"It's really an act of discrimination," Laurie Carmichael said, expressing anger at Congress. "They give themselves a raise before they leave and they leave all of us Americans high and dry."
Congress authorized a 3.1 percent pay raise for themselves to $154,700 next year. Lawmakers' salaries have risen $18,000 since 1999.
Catolina Campbell, 60, has been living part-time with her daughter in Anaheim and part-time in her car since losing her job with a medical insurance billing company a month ago. "I'm beating the bushes again," looking for a new job, she said.
She's still getting $500 a month in unemployment benefits, but said the money doesn't go very far. "I can't live on $500 a month. It's pathetic."
THIS IS CONCENTRATION OF WEALTH AND POWER INTO THE HANDS OF THE GLOBALISTS...IT WILL CREATE VAST MONOPOLIES...THIS IS WHY THE ECONOMY IS BEING IMPLODED
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theseeker
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Sun Dec 29, 2002 9:48 am
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well yes kwanza it is a problem when it's rammed down my throat...taught at schools etc. and it is...isn't that what kwanza people need to teach ?
anyway mechs an looney when it comes to economics...gas....our system is simple based on consumption....people drive it...and companies produce stuff we want...your idea is rather trekish...and pie in the sky...good intentions...but not feasible...see, our government "representative republic" keeps radical swings of thought in check...providing balance...whereas if everyone had a vote on everything nothing would ever get done because all we would do is vote all the time...and imagine what a *lobby* TV would become...oh...the horror...
we have the best system world wide...it's not perfect and folks just need to understand that...work hard, educate their minds and lift themselves up...it can be done...
I'm with you on the borders, and the alternative fuel...needs to be done...but how bad would that cripple the middle east economy's ? we are stuck with fossil fuels for a long great while I'm afraid...
I'll regret this...but here we go anyway...mech why would it take 26 weeks to find a job ?
Merry Christmas and a healthy new year... gas...In case I forgot 
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Swamp Gas
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Sun Dec 29, 2002 5:26 pm
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Here in Jersey City, the schools definitely teach Kwanzaa, but they also teach other holidays. I don't see it as a problem. It's like the dial on your radio. Tune it if you don't like it.
Voting by proxy could have potential. Just imagine if people voted for their own issues instead of surfing for porn or watching sports. But that would be to much for sleeping America, to THINK FOR ITSELF.
Seeker, that's for the salutations. I happened to see a tree that looked just like that on Solstice Day ( DEC 21). You know the thing about Pagans dancing naked around trees. |
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Mech
Joined: 06 Jun 2001
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Location: THE 4th REICH USA |
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Sun Dec 29, 2002 5:27 pm
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Again, it's none of your buisness how I make a living. I have a source of income so BITE ME.
Yep, you ARE living in La la land. Stop smoking so much grass and get your head out of your @$$.People are hurting financially. Only a bonehead would think otherwise.
You support a 100% iligitimate and 100% CORRUPT...through-and-through...corporate government that is busy bleeding the system DRY with big payoffs to corporations that contributed to BUSH being "elected" (pfff). That prep-school little $#!+ iscreating debt unseen in decades and starting World War 3...burning EVERY bridge of good will in the middle east we ever had and ensuring further "terrorist attacks" here as well. But hey....the CIA will let it happen.They have before. After all, there HAS to be an excuse to bring in the police state and a world government. All we need are a few more WACO's, OKLAHOMA CITIES, 9/11's mabey even a DIRTY BO^^B?
Yeah...you are just Sooooooo patriotic and such a good little consumer aren't you Seeker.Why don't you just go get your microchip right now like a good PAN-AMERICAN-UNION citizen?
The system need to be 100% overthrown and constitutional law restored. Bush stands accused of high treason and is 100% GUILTY.
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