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Bush said to be 'screwing his own party'

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Swamp Gas





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PostFri Mar 07, 2003 11:12 pm  Reply with quote  

Aha,
Just as I thought, you do have some left leaning tendencies.

Funny, I think some people are born bad too, and no amount of rehab will cure them.

Man, I have some right leaning tendencies. Well, Whole Bird it is.
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theseeker





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PostFri Mar 07, 2003 11:23 pm  Reply with quote  

be interesting to see how kook and mech rate on this quiz poll thingy...

think I'll change my message below my avatar to "left leaning libertarian"

wow
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Mech





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PostSat Mar 08, 2003 1:28 am  Reply with quote  

No...you are a NEO-CON...and you always will be.

I consider myself 100% CONSTITUTIONALIST.

Nothing else.

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FLKook





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PostSat Mar 08, 2003 1:31 am  Reply with quote  

Economic Left/Right: 3.50
Authoritarian/Libertarian: 0.92

Pushing nicely to the right with a surprising authoritarian bent. Hmmmm thought I'd flush myself out as more libertarian than that, especially since I voted as expected on the weed question.

Seeker, did Alan Colmes help write this or just recommend it? He must have had some help from the looks of the European spelling of globalization in the first question.

Now about the questions I had a problem with more than a few. In many queations the perimeter is too absolute or presumptive to really give an honest answer. but here is a sample of my dilema.


quote:
If globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations.


I don't think globalization could or would serve either individuals or commerce, only tyranny.


quote:
Schools pay too much attention to the arts and not enough towards their real function - equipping the future generation to find jobs.


What about educating them in critical thinking, deductive reasoning, mathematics, science, spelling, reading and grammar. Then they will be equipped to CREATE jobs!


quote:
The most important lesson for all children is discipline and respect for authority.


Why couple these? Discipline especially self discipline, then they will respect themselves enough to question authority.


quote:
What's good for the most successful corporations is always, ultimately, good for all of us.


“Always” not much in this world is always now is it.

All and all an interesting link, it speaks volumes to me in the way it is worded.

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theseeker





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PostSat Mar 08, 2003 4:15 am  Reply with quote  

I had trouble with a few...too...oddly enough some of the same ones you did..."always" is a closed ended word...but if business is successful then people have jobs...the economy is good and the standard of living rises...

schools here don't even do art until later grades and music is once a week...so that question is irrelevant here...

len horowitz (dentist) said in 95' that the biggest trouble with parents is that the child acts up and they (parents) say "stop it or I'm going to bust you" and they never do...children figure this out and thus the *authority* is gradually erroded...

I believe this to be very true...

the poll was a UK deal from what I can tell...and skewd towards a liberal slant...but still interesting...to bad mech's a chicken to try it....

a chicken constitutionalist BOK !!! BOK!!!!

odd your right of me on authority kook...

must be the glen beck show

just have a few minutes...thats all I can offer...

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FLKook





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PostSat Mar 08, 2003 4:35 am  Reply with quote  


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len horowitz (dentist) said in 95' that the biggest trouble with parents is that the child acts up and they (parents) say "stop it or I'm going to bust you" and they never do...children figure this out and thus the *authority* is gradually erroded...


Not that I find that bunch of globalists relevant but doesn't this analogy remind you of Saddam Hussein and the U.N resolutions?
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David





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PostSat Mar 08, 2003 5:27 am  Reply with quote  

Lets see. David is advocating peace and not an useless war on Iraq.
Seeker advocates blowing the s!@# out of Iraq and it's people, more than likely taking the lives of many, many Americans.

But I'm the one with the cold heart.

David is against the taking away of our rights and liberties, seeker is all for the taking away of rights and the jailing of those that speak their mind, a constitutional right.
But again, I'm the one with the cold heart.

Did I miss something here? How exactly does that work?
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Lulu





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PostSat Mar 08, 2003 7:28 am  Reply with quote  

If Bush is screwing his own party, does that make him a Bush licker or Bush basher?
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theseeker





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PostSat Mar 08, 2003 8:20 am  Reply with quote  

yeah david that about sums it up....

exactly kook...the U.S is the proverbial paddle in this case and saddam's gettin' a spankin' and the world is watching...I say the coming war will shut down terrorism by proxy and rogue states will become rather compliant when dealing with the U.S....(realizing what authority can do)

the UN has no authority it is a paper tiger...and another reason the NWO will never get legs...too many different people...to many different politics...people (countries) can never agree...they can only agree to disagree...

much like this board...we have the yea's and nay's...and the only positive either side gets is an occasional agreement on smaller issues....

of which I can deal

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Mech





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PostSat Mar 08, 2003 3:06 pm  Reply with quote  

ROFLMAO Lulu!!!
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FLKook





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PostSat Mar 08, 2003 3:47 pm  Reply with quote  


quote:
NWO will never get legs...too many different people...to many different politics


I disagree, the elite among the globalists have but one agenda...one world government. It's already got the legs of a centipede.

Look what has happened to our bill of rights thus far. World Heritage Sites, another example. U.S. no longer owns the statue of liberty, yellowstone or many other national treasures. The usurping of our monetary system by international private bankers. The encroaching disarmament of the american people.

Seeker we've posted thread after thread of the NWO "legs". You just simply refuse to believe it.

They even referenced New World Order by name this morning on Fox and Friends. The black guy on the weekend crew (I forget his name)said "It's all part of the New World Order" Did anyone else happpen to catch that?

We were all called crazy who said it even existed a few years ago, except of course all of those politicians that boldly proclaimed it in speeches or warned about it on the house floor.(see quote below) Now it becomes part of the every day language where they can toss the phrase around like it's no big deal and it's "inevitable" to quote the political compass survey.

Talk about conditioning!

"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all." Strobe Talbot, President Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, l992.

quote:
United States Congressional Record January 19, 1976, page 240, Representative Marjorie S. Holt (Maryland):
"Mr. Speaker, many of us recently received a letter from the World Affairs Council of Philadelphia, inviting members of Congress to participate in a ceremonial signing of "A Declaration of Interdependence" on January 30 in Congress Hall, adjacent to Independence Hall in Philadelphia.

A number of Members of Congress have been invited to sign this document, lending their prestige to its theme, but I want the record to show my strong opposition to this declaration.

It calls for the surrender of our national sovereignty to international organizations. It declares that our economy should be regulated by international authorities. It proposes that we enter a "New World Order" that would redistribute the wealth created by the American people.

Mr. Speaker, this is an obscenity that defiles our Declaration of Independence, signed 200 years ago in Philadelphia. We fought a great Revolution for independence and individual liberty, but now it is proposed that we participate in a world socialist order.

Are we a proud and free people, or are we a carcass to be picked by the jackals of the world, who want to destroy us? When one cuts through the high-flown rhetoric of this "Declaration of Interdependence," one finds key phrases that tell the story.

For example, it states that 'The economy of all nations is a seamless web, and that no one nation can any longer effectively maintain its processes of production and monetary systems without recognizing the necessity for collaborative regulation by international authorities.' How do you like the idea of "international authorities" controlling our production and our monetary system, Mr. Speaker?

How could any American dedicated to our national independence and freedom tolerate such an idea? . . . America should never subject her fate to decisions by such an assembly, unless we long for national suicide. Instead, let us have independence and freedom . . . If we surrender our independence to a "new world order" . . . we will be betraying our historic ideals of freedom and self-government. Freedom and self-government are not outdated. The fathers of our Republic fought a revolution for those ideals, which are as valid today as they ever were. Let us not betray freedom by embracing slave masters; let us not betray self-government with world government; let us celebrate Jefferson and Madison, not Marx and Lenin."


"The world can therefore seize the opportunity [Persian Gulf crisis] to fulfill the long-held promise of a New World Order where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind."
George Herbert Walker Bush



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