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ChemCaptain
Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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 Wed Jun 11, 2003 3:25 pm
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It's a joke to say because the military has done biological testing, that chemtrails must be true. It's more ass-backward thinking. The miliary's past in biological experiments in no way, remotely, is evidence for chemtrails.
As for the 910th Airwing, what do you want to question them about? They have a website I believe, check them out.
C-130 aircraft would not be involved in the type of 'chemtrail' activitity we are talking about on this website.. So why do you even relate them? I mean, it is really an underhanded move.
In July 2000, an Air Force press release bragged, "Fifteen service members from military installations in Germany and England were at Ramstein Air Base, Germany, 8-12 May, learning how to use chemicals to destroy the enemy. The seven airmen and eight soldiers learned how to plan, execute and oversee the entire process of applying pesticides by air." The press release said the Youngstown air unit will only be used against "insects with their deadly diseases"
Sounds like someone trying to be funny  . The 910th does aeriel spray operations, pestisides being the major. Thus the joke about 'learning to spray chemicals' at the 'enemy' (bugs).
Proof they like to try and be funny: http://www.af.mil/news/airman/0298/spray.htm
What the 910th does:
As you can obviously see, NOT what is attributed to 'chemtrails'.
910th Website: http://www.afrc.af.mil/910aw/Aerial%20Spray/AERIALSPRAY/index.htm
Moving on.
About the bill? Probably removed to give the bill a *remote* chance of passing, and to avoid political suicide.
[Edited 10 times, lastly by Thermit on 06-11-2003] |
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graeme
Joined: 02 May 2003
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Location: Sebastopol, CA, USA |
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Wed Jun 11, 2003 4:33 pm
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US Rep. and Presidential Candidate Dennis Kucinich was in my area of CA before I moved. I didn't get a chance to see him speak because of the move. I read that he was in Santa Cruz a couple days later and was asked "What about chemtrails?" and he responded "Chemtrails are real". If he was wrong, what would Kucinich gain from saying that? That's probably not a popular platform to run on. |
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ChemCaptain
Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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Wed Jun 11, 2003 4:42 pm
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hard to tell what he mean't as well, I don't know the context.
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graeme
Joined: 02 May 2003
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Location: Sebastopol, CA, USA |
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Wed Jun 11, 2003 4:58 pm
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What I stated is the only thing I know. I have a friend at UCSC and am going to contact him to see if he or one of his friends were there to fill in the blanks. Don't know if you've seen it, but Kucinich was the author of the bill brought to Congress banning space-based weapons, and he named 'chemtrails' in the bill. Have you seen that? |
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ChemCaptain
Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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Wed Jun 11, 2003 5:25 pm
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Yes I've seen the bill. When someone posted something on it (back when the main forum was open to everyone), I immediately said it won't have a chance to pass with chemtrails in the bill, and laughed that they'd include something unproven.
Since then as has been discussed they apparently removed 'chemtrails' from the bill. I am guessing whoever had them added originally didn't actually know what they were and were lobbied into it.. 'chemtrails' as described wouldn't even be in space weapons!
But who knows, maybe that politician is willing to risk his career on it... To be honest with ya, California is turning to shambles anyway.
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graeme
Joined: 02 May 2003
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Location: Sebastopol, CA, USA |
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Wed Jun 11, 2003 6:25 pm
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California is a wonderful place in a lot of aspects, but they will be the first card in the house of cards to come tumbling down. I'm really glad to be out of there. I'm betting Northern Cal is going to attempt to split off from SoCal again soon and become its own state. Water is going to be a huge issue in a few years and that is really going to divide the state.
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msu94
Joined: 16 Feb 2002
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Location: Tucson, AZ |
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Sat Jun 14, 2003 1:23 am
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quote:
Originally posted by graeme:
msu-
you're the first pilot I've been able to ask this (at least that I'm aware of): what do you say "chemtrails" are? How often do you fly, and do you come across what people consider 'chemtrails'? What are they to you?
Well I did not invent the term, but I suppose "chemtrails" are trails from aircraft that persist longer than a few seconds, but also are anything that a chemtrail activist wants them to be, like aerodynamic contrails in humid air at lower speeds and low altitudes.
Right now I do not fly a lot, since I have been doing on an call pilot job. I am going to fly even less for a while as I temporarily will go fight forest fires on the ground. But I do have close to 3000 hours flight time so far.
Rarely have I ever heard of anyone in the aviation community who had heard the term, and if I did, they were making fun of the whole concept of chemtrails.
I have even done cloud seeding before too, which released small amounts of silver iodide too. But no, never seen any evidence of a government conspiracy to spray people.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by msu94 on 06-13-2003] |
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msu94
Joined: 16 Feb 2002
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Location: Tucson, AZ |
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Sat Jun 14, 2003 1:52 am
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quote:
Originally posted by Hornblower:
I, for one, do not blame the military pilots for doing their job.
Here we go again with the chemtrail activist belief that military personnel are just robots, carrying out orders without thought or concern.
Yes they are told to follow legal orders, but they are also not to follow illegal orders. They can and have been prosecuted for doing that.
There is no automatic blanket UCMJ immunity clause for when someone higher in rank told you to do something.
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