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halva
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The yeah, sure, was precisely that. Friendly acceptance. I've got nothing more to add at the moment.
I find both your and Mark's orgone activities quite mysterious and unuseful for my purposes but so what?
Are you interested in my religious views? ?
Take things as they come.
I thought you might like to strike up a conversation with David Stewart at cicdd in order to provide some relief from the blather that so many of the rest of them there engage in, continually.
Or alternatively you could ask Reynolds why he has come back when he had bid the forum adieu, (his ultimatum that I had to shut up about chemtrails or leave having been complied with).
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halva
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Tue Oct 07, 2003 10:57 am
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I must say, though, that I was rather nonplussed by the "you people". That's debunker talk.
Not that I think you are a debunker. I believe I understand at least that much about you.
You will be interested in the details of a political dispute at present racking the island of Aigina.
If you send me a private e-mail I'll tell you about it.
Look me up in the members list.
[Edited 3 times, lastly by halva on 10-07-2003] |
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orgonote
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Tue Oct 07, 2003 3:00 pm
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"The yeah, sure, was precisely that. Friendly acceptance. I've got nothing more to add at the moment."
(P) Sorry. I start to see ill intent even when it isn't there, after a year of it. Not fair.
"I find both your and Mark's orgone activities quite mysterious and unuseful for my purposes but so what?"
(P) With CTs there seem to be so many different positions people take as to what might be done. Early this year i had an email exchange with Michael (world action guy) and wondered why he wouldn't try the CB approach, or even acknowledge it was out there. His final position was that he didn't want anything to counteract or disperse them (CTs) because then they wouldn't be there. Evidence in fact to base his campaign work on was his primary need--it seemed. It's like a constant 'churning of the problem' while not in reality wanting a remedy can appear to be the actual 'game'people are engaged in. I find *that* mysterious. But in the end as you say "so what"---which is why i've not been here this past year.
"Are you interested in my religious views? ?
Take things as they come."
(P) Not especially, except as it might emerge in context--as mine have been forced to somewhat. And yes i should.
"I thought you might like to strike up a conversation with David Stewart at cicdd in order to provide some relief from the blather that so many of the rest of them there engage in, continually."
(P) I may be inclined to when i learn who he is.
"Or alternatively you could ask Reynolds why he has come back when he had bid the forum adieu, (his ultimatum that I had to shut up about chemtrails or leave having been complied with)."
(P) Remember i know nothing personally of this man prior to these days. I shall as you say 'take it as it comes'
"I must say, though, that I was rather nonplussed by the "you people". That's debunker talk."
(P) Call it an ill considered expression from someone unjustly and unremittingly oppressed by ignorance and delusion--you get like that, put it down to paranoia. But again, not fair. I imagine it might characterise 'debunker talk' which is why on the whole i've not bothered talking with them, any more than i discuss religion with atheists--futile.
"Not that I think you are a debunker. I believe I understand at least that much about you."
(P) Well that's a relief to hear at least. I would think the agent case gets difficult to make after that--but that's the insanity in it because the believers in fact never make 'a case' (at least never in my direction), it's an article of faith i guess, a religion in fact, the tenets of which are a believers secret. s!@#!! it IS a secret society, it has just dawned on me--like the masons or something. Perhaps they have codes and handshakes and all of that 
"You will be interested in the details of a political dispute at present racking the island of Aigina.
If you send me a private e-mail I'll tell you about it.
Look me up in the members list."
(P) I shall.
Cheers
phil
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halva
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Tue Oct 07, 2003 9:53 pm
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Phil wrote:
"Early this year i had an email exchange with Michael (world action guy) and wondered why he wouldn't try the CB approach, or even acknowledge it was out there. His final position was that he didn't want anything to counteract or disperse them (CTs) because then they wouldn't be there. Evidence in fact to base his campaign work on was his primary need--it seemed. It's like a constant 'churning of the problem' while not in reality wanting a remedy can appear to be the actual 'game'people are engaged in."
WH: Michael has yet to come to grips with the fact that there is nothing and nobody there to be petitioned with this evidence. The whole point is to construct the political subject that is prepared to face the "evidence". Thus the hanging around with unpromising groups like cicdd which at least pay lip service to alternatives to representative democracy.
Michael was at cicdd until about six months ago when he allowed himself to be driven away by John Suhr. He also accused me of being "parental" when I tried to find a compromise between John Suhr's essentially non-negotiable demands and Michael's incessant cut and pastes and apparent unwillingness or inability to engage in political debate. He himself said he despised politics and if "politics" is what they do and say at cicdd then there are good reasons to despise it. But none of that gets us anywhere.
Do you think there would be any point in giving them some more cut and pastes? Like the info on the blackouts in Italy for example?
Your and David's more low key approach might get you further with cicdd than I or Mark or Michael were able to get.
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orgonote
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Wed Oct 08, 2003 3:12 am
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Wayne wrote:
"WH: Michael has yet to come to grips with the fact that there is nothing and nobody there to be petitioned with this evidence."
(P) Yeah i think that is about right--my impression anyway.
" The whole point is to construct the political subject that is prepared to face the "evidence". Thus the hanging around with unpromising groups like cicdd which at least pay lip service to alternatives to representative democracy."
(P) Ah! I begin to see how we think and approach this stuff a little differently. I am maybe a bit more cynical about the possibilities of politics than you. I am only at cicdd for the reasons i've stated there, not with the prime intent of shipping in other issues for them to bite on. Probably on a list of things that make me go "WTF!" the freeenergy 'thing' abuses of big pharma, and locally at least, housing issues are probably nearer the top than CTs. So i may bring in other things--i don't know, if so it will be in an in context and on topic way. For the present they are a little like a collection of exotic and friendly political 'animals' of a sort i've not encountered before, and i am fascinated to see them wrestling with a set of notions which i think are frankly impossible (whisper it quietly, but if pressed i am rather inclined to believe in the notion of kings--not that humanity has ever got that right anymore than democracy, and even more impossible too. I guess i just destroyed any credibility i may have garnered, eh?  )
"Michael was at cicdd until about six months ago when he allowed himself to be driven away by John Suhr. He also accused me of being "parental" when I tried to find a compromise between John Suhr's essentially non-negotiable demands and Michael's incessant cut and pastes and apparent unwillingness or inability to engage in political debate. He himself said he despised politics and if "politics" is what they do and say at cicdd then there are good reasons to despise it. But none of that gets us anywhere."
(P) Overdoing that cut'n paste routine is definitely counter productive, and people just scroll through it. He got booted off E-Y for that, not because of the topics by any means but because he refused to respect Ken's needs regarding the amount and bandwidth. Just silly.
"Do you think there would be any point in giving them some more cut and pastes? Like the info on the blackouts in Italy for example?"
(P) Not a lot of point i suspect unless it could be presented sincerely as relevant to their list concerns. I think it is also FAR more effective (i know this from my own browsing) to offer a few informative and enticing lines and a link to the rest,rather than to paste in a daunting 2 foot scroll, or a link with the only comment "this is interesting" with no hint why it might be.This is so unless, as they say, you are preaching to the choir--another approach represented by an "iron fisted" moderating style.
"Your and David's more low key approach might get you further with cicdd than I or Mark or Michael were able to get."
(P) Maybe. I've sussed who David is, btw.
Cheers
phil
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halva
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Wed Oct 08, 2003 5:43 am
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Philip wrote: "if pressed i am rather inclined to believe in the notion of kings--not that humanity has ever got that right anymore than democracy, and even more impossible too. I guess i just destroyed any credibility i may have garnered, eh?)"
Philip, I voted for the retention of the monarchy in Australia at the 1999 national referendum on that subject.
Brian Holmes, of the Canadian anti-chemtrail site "Holmestead" is a declared monarchist. Explore his site a little and you will see this.
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halva
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Wed Oct 08, 2003 8:20 am
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New World Order: Schwarzenegger rules the United States. The Vatican rules everywhere else. |
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orgonote
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Wed Oct 08, 2003 11:03 pm
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Didn't know that about the Holmestead guy.
Arnie and the pope. Sheesh!! 
Strange days. |
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halva
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Fri Oct 10, 2003 4:00 am
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Just booted Jay Reynolds off my Ama Lahi forum for the third time, before he had the chance to say anything.
He might have registered just to see if we are talking about him.
I overlooked to ban him, though, so he'll probably be back. |
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halva
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Fri Oct 10, 2003 4:38 am
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If I were still at cicdd I might post this link for John Suhr's edification.
Not that there is any point talking to him about anything, but it would trigger an argument between Bernard Clayson and him.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm
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halva
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Fri Oct 10, 2003 6:25 am
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Chem 11 has this to say at Megasprayer:
"No way this story is going to disappear. I've seen it mirrored on a dozen websites, already (make that a baker's dozen). March and Harris have truly ripped the curtain back and exposed the wizard completley (and managed to keep the information flowing despite DieBOLD's worst efforts).
Interesting commentary on Arnold the Barabarian from an x-.mil over at Scoop. Actually what is interesting is that he bailed out of the US, preferring New Zealand to California and "Bush's police state".
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0310/S00070.htm
Not good. People used to come from all over the world to California to chase the American Dream. In fifty years it won't likely even be part of America anymore."
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halva
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Fri Oct 10, 2003 11:47 am
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Just to prove me right, Reynolds did register again at Ama Lahi, so I've banned him now.
He does seem to have a lot of free time.
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halva
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Fri Oct 10, 2003 11:57 am
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George Kokkas, who has the technical capacity as one of the list owners of cicdd to moderate if he decides to, has just struck a conciliatory note and indicated that he would like to bring the chemtrails discussions back into the forum.
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halva
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Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:04 pm
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My conditions for return to the CICDD forum are the expulsion, in perpetuity, of Jay Reynolds and Stuart Allsop and of anyone not already a member of the forum yesterday 9th October 2003 who asserts in future that the atmosphere of the earth is not being deliberately sprayed on a large scale from aircraft with poisons. (i.e. that "chemtrails" are a myth).
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halva
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Sun Oct 12, 2003 5:59 pm
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The man who wants to be moderator at CICDD has recapitulated what is really at stake at that forum. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cicdd/message/8393
The debunkers and confusers are somewhat at a loss and are not commenting.
It would be a very appropriate time for outside intervention, including from here.
Anyone who wants to get involved will be doing a favour not just to me but also to our common cause. |
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