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orgonote
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Yo Halva, i'm here. Wassup!
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I signed up here because Wayne Hall asked me to in the wake of 'matters arising' from an ongoing chemtrail fracas at the CICDD forum he is involved with.
Right off the bat it seems appropriate to do a little laundry--i come with baggage, so you may as well hear it from me first (Halva knows this i think)
I was booted from cloud-busters.com back on 3/3/03. None of that forum's elite ever responded to querying email, but a raft of subsequent posts revealed the startling 'facts' that i am a heinous MI6 agent, a killer to boot with the famous 00 license to kill. My name apparently is not Phil Ahearne but Lance Thorogood. Dragon farstar is an expert in these things and has conducted a couple of his famous 'teach ins' on this topic. It seems i fitted one of their top canadian people with not just one but two implants and programmed him in such a way as to render him a "monster". I did this when he stayed with me some days in the uk when enroute to elsewhere.
While this guy was with me we did some orgonite gifting around Windsor Castle and Buckingham Palace. Don Croft has put it about that i later went back over the ground and retrieved those gifts. He has of course the failsafe back up for these opinions of those veritable popes of psychism Carol Croft and the amazing cbswork. It must all be true then.
More recently on seeing that Don with his new internet, ah, partner Mark Davey had a section just for agents, i joined up and made a friendly post. It was deleted and account closed inside the hour. Logic suggests i'm not an agent after all or perhaps the section was insincerely labelled.
Mark Davey until recently didn't know me from adam. I emailed him privately in response to a foolish post of his on the c-b forum. Without the courtesy of a reply he posted the entire email, which contained a version of this story written as satire for another cb forum on yahoo back in the summer. That was of course, and properly deleted. Subsequent emails asking the reasons for this shabby behaviour have elicited no replies. He is learning well from his new mentor Don Croft who never replies to email either. Since i am not an agent, no evidence exists to show that i am. Mark's opinion is just the one he has borrowed from Don Croft, which is rooted in lie or delusion--i hardly know which.
Consider, Mark, if that absurd opinion and your gullibility had not made us enemies--in the same country, what might have flowed from collaboration? who benefits from the present state of affairs, eh? Do you get it yet?
That's right--THE DARK ONES
Btw, in case i'd not made it plain, and although it's futile to do so i deny that i am an agent (other than an agent for god and truth)
Apart from all that what have i done? I built a CB which is presently in north east england. When funds allow have plans for another. Fair amount of gifted orgonite now running into hundreds of deployed HHgs and TBs, in England and Ireland (and fyi, Don and Mark, none of it picked up by any friggin agents in spite of dons constant refrain that virtually every uk citizen who is not Mark Davey, is working for the secret services)
Well Halva, that's got that out of the way, what else did you want to talk about?
Cheers
phil
"Life is real, only then, when i am"
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halva
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Hi Phil. You have shed the aura of mystery you projected at CICDD and are a little more a human being like the rest of us.
What I was going to ask you about, firstly, is how you explain the presence of chemtrails without the prior presence of aircraft? (You mentioned one such incident you had experienced.)I myself notice that far few chemtrail spraying aircraft seem to be visible over Athens but there is no proportional diminution in the amount of chemtrail cover.
But apart from that I am curious to know what it is that is causing the friction and disagreement you now describe openly rather than mysteriously and allusively.
I am not at all an initiate in the technologies you describe and wonder what it is that attracted both you and Mark Davey to them.
These may seem banal questions after the high drama of CICDD.
Do you have any hope that the chemtrails question will penetrate the public consciousness any time soon?
Have you heard of Councillor Al Snow of La Verkin, Utah, world's second known councillor to take a public stance on chemtrails after one of our councillors here on the island of Aigina? |
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orgonote
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Mon Sep 29, 2003 10:15 pm
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""Hi Phil. You have shed the aura of mystery you projected at CICDD and are a little more a human being like the rest of us.""
(P)Aura of mystery eh! Quite unintentional, really. I was simply very aware of the off topic nature of the chemtrail thing and determined not to get into the usual futile ding-dong with the likes of Jay (though i confess that guys style cracks me up) and Stuart. All too human otherwise
""What I was going to ask you about, firstly, is how you explain the presence of chemtrails without the prior presence of aircraft? (You mentioned one such incident you had experienced.)I myself notice that far few chemtrail spraying aircraft seem to be visible over Athens but there is no proportional diminution in the amount of chemtrail cover.""
(P)I can't explain it but the prospect of finding the whole sky latticed with the things at dawn when i had been up all night and heard no plane noise was very weird. Generally when a jet flies over at the sort of height those trails looked to be one hears it. There are many accounts out there of planes that appear as if they are UFOs disguised as planes, i neither leap to accept these as fact but don't dismiss them either.
""But apart from that I am curious to know what it is that is causing the friction and disagreement you now describe openly rather than mysteriously and allusively.""
(P)the short answer to that is i truly don't know. No one will tell me anything, and for me it is all surmise. Since the booting i have been strenuous in my efforts to find out by email, without getting one reply. Since my accusers have posted in public and also (lyingly) characterised those mails as backbiting, malicious calumny i too have gone public on other fora--i did not do so before them. I shall make a further post after this which will shed a little more light on it, maybe, since i have 'joined a few more dots' since march.
""I am not at all an initiate in the technologies you describe and wonder what it is that attracted both you and Mark Davey to them.""
(P)This issue is absolutely cardinal but, imo, hugely misunderstood (not least by Don Croft, i think). I will be delighted to go into it more in another post too. I'm no great expert mind but i have taken a hopefully intelligent interest in it since childhood and picked up a bit of what's going on out there.
""These may seem banal questions after the high drama of CICDD.
Do you have any hope that the chemtrails question will penetrate the public consciousness any time soon?""
(P)No Way!
Some hope, yeah. My sense at this time is that a lot of things are polarising quite fast. Crazy people are getting crazier--more slipping over that edge. Others are waking up to all sorts of things. The most ordinary red top reading people are open to all manner of ideas they would have shut their minds to even 2 or 3 years ago. Chemtrails may be one of the last because only the older folk (i'm 61)remember what skies and ordinary contrails looked like, along with the huge relative increase in air traffic of all types.
""Have you heard of Councillor Al Snow of La Verkin, Utah, world's second known councillor to take a public stance on chemtrails after one of our councillors here on the island of Aigina?""
(P)I recall a post on cloud-busters i think about an american politician 'coming out' on the issue though not the name. I guess this is the guy. Is there a post here you could point me at?
Cheers. It's nice to feel welcome and not like some pariah, thanks.
phil
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orgonote
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Mon Sep 29, 2003 10:32 pm
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I clearly have some things to learn about how this forum works!!
"No way" was meant to apply to your banal comment only, not the question of people waking up to chemtrails.
I guess if i'd used the 'quote button' at the top of the box i could have inserted my bits like i thought i was doing??
And how did it suddenly go into italics???
A-n-d how does one get the smilies to appear within the text as i see. Just clicking on one doesn't seem to do it.
Since i'm asking how the forum works type questions (probably in the wrong place, sorry), is there any way to see the various avatars before choosing one?
And what qualifies members with authority to post in the chemtrail activist section?
And what does that moving flame type icon to the left of some listed posts signify?
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Lulu
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Hi orgonote, and welcome aboard!
I clicked "edit" on your thread in question, but see no italics brackets before or after the passage that was mysteriously italicized. Strange...but from time to time there are odd glitches here. Maybe Thermit could help you further as to why the passage went to italics?
You could use quote button I'm sure, or surround your quote in proper brackets like so
quote:
. Piece of cake right?
For the smilies, actually click the blue high-lighted words Smilies Legend right above the smilies to see what to type to make them appear, usually : : on either side of say "rolleyes" will give you  Fun stuff, go nuts!
As for avatars, yes you can scroll through them before choosing no problemo. On the registration page after you click "agree" it takes you here http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi where you may choose your avatar near top of page. Since you missed this, you can add an avatar from Your Profile, as stated by thermit here http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000026.html to get to Your Profile, look top right page, right under New Topic. The AVATAR is first option listed. You can't see before choosing, I don't think, excuse my foggy brain today, but feel free to choose as many as you like before you find one you like. You can even have a different avatar every day, or a custom avatar. If you are real nice to Thermit, he may customize an image for you...
In order to post in the main Chemtrails Forum you must be a chemtrail activist (believer) as opposed to a non-believer (debunker). either past history on other boards would demonstrate this, or your posts here. Are you an activist orgonote?
The moving flame icon indicates the topic is hot and received over 15 replies. The views indicator can be misleading, as there is a view glitch on board that Thermit has been unable to rectify.
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Do I understand correctly that the corruption of the "views" file and resultant re-setting of the number of views has to do with end-users' opening of more than one browser window simultaneously while in this forum?
Well, more specifically, since this site has many people simultaneously browsing across the Internet, and each view of a thread from a browser causes a file to be opened and written to, there sometimes occurs a situation, despite the file locking mechanisms in place to prevent such, where the file is opened and written to by multiple threads of execution on the server, which generally causes one or more counts to be lost. Perhaps if I can redesign the view counts to be written to separate files for each forum it would reduce the likelyhood of the problem, and reduce the damage when it does occur. However, the Who's Online system uses the same basic design and virtually never has this problem, since I tweaked the code a good while back. I going to try to fix this again...!
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001525-2.html#48
More here... http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000043.html
You can also add colored font, let me know if you need help with this;
or MIDIs to a post http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000039.html and look at my last post in topic, click edit in that post, (found right about post) to see how to embed, or
change your password so it is easier to remember http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000010.html
Will wonders ever cease on this wonderful forum? 
Click "edit: on this post for additional insight orgonote, such as the big grin
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orgonote
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Tue Sep 30, 2003 7:33 pm
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Thanks a bunch Lulu. Got a handle on it now i think 
The activist thing....this is a snip from my first post at the CICDD forum about which Halva wanted to ask me those questions. They seemed like a couple of hard to debunk things.
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Just a couple of personal observations. Having been up all night and
working one time late last summer, i took the dog out just as dawn
was about to rise (this is in south west uk)It was at that time when
the ball of the sun has yet to appear above the horizon but already
any clouds in the sky are illumined bright red. On this occassion
there were no clouds of an ordinary sort in the sky. Instead their
were about 20 chemtrails all parrallel going roughly from north to
south, horizon to horizon, and a like number at right angles agin
from horizon to horizon going roughly east to west, all illumined
lurid red, with off to the east (in the trail of the orgone flow) 2
vortices one clockwise, one anti cw, curling to the ground.
Throughout the previous night when i had been up not the merest sound
of an aircraft engine had broken the silence of the night.
As the day wore on all these trails joined up and the gloomy cover
remained in place, fading seamlessly into autumn. Rain from that
period brought the usual filthy deposits down on everything which the
years educate one to associate with these events.
What regular schedule of commercial, even legal, air traffic could
account for that phenomena?
Second observation. Barely a week after placing a cloud or chemtrail
buster out in the back garden earlier this year, in an otherwise
cloudless blue sky appeared an enormous white chemtrail cross
directly overhead of it. That clearly indicates that some body with
the authority to muster the aircraft which laid it also had the
capacity to recognise the energy signature of the thing. It also
clearly indicates that the pilot or crew had the capacity to turn on
and turn off the chemtrail feature of that flight. It is also clear
that such a flight pattern again, can have nothing to do with regular
flight paths.
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Of course they (Jay Reynolds and Stuart Allsop) did come back....all that cross hatching was regular flight paths....yeah right, neat as a checker board, never overlapping, etc. And the cross above my CB was just a special bit of sky that did the thing of ordinary trails at just that spot, bla bla..hmm!
I first picked up on chemtrails through Nexus magazine around 96 or 97 and here and there since. The opinions i have about the why and wherefore of it all shift around and are generally lightly held. For now the Jim Phelps stuff is compelling and i don't entirely dismiss the Deep shiel;d perspective as all disinfo--right now who really knows?
What i am sure of is that even taking the huge increase over the years in the amount of air traffic and the changing fuel formulas, engine physics etc, i remain UNconvinced by the debunking arguments. There are just too many anomalies and personal stories, albeit anecdotal, for them to account for.
Another point even if the debunking position made sense (which fo me it doesn't) does that make it ok? Are we then supposed to say "oh it's good honest filth falling out of the sky--that's all right then" IF it was the reality, it makes a case for taxing air fares at about 200% doesn't it?
That's like the thinking which freaks out about 100 people dying from SARS but saying nothing beyond "tuff s!@#" about the xx000s killed in road accidents, or the discounting of myriads dead for want of clean water, say, because they are just primitives in Africa or somewhere and just don't figure.
What i mean is, even were Jay Reynolds et al correct, the attitude that comes with that position stinks anyway.
Enuff
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Great Phil, glad you figured things out. It sounds like you should be granted access to the main Chemtrail Forum, which I will do now, please feel free to post your observations there!
Just a reminder if any other new members feel they should have access to posting in main forum, let an Admin know, thx.
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How do you feel about developments at CICDD, Phil.
Why did you support the idea of the forum remaining unmoderated?
Franz Isemann's undermining of George Kokkas' initiative to undertake moderating tasks was the straw that broke the camel's back for that forum, if their purpose was to intervene in the real world. |
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Sun Oct 05, 2003 8:00 pm
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orgonote wrote:
.....Another point even if the debunking position made sense (which to me it doesn't) does that make it ok? Are we then supposed to say "oh it's good honest filth falling out of the sky--that's all right then" IF it was the reality, it makes a case for taxing air fares at about 200% doesn't it?
That's like the thinking which freaks out about 100 people dying from SARS but saying nothing beyond "tuff s!@#" about the xx000s killed in road accidents, or the discounting of myriads dead for want of clean water, say, because they are just primitives in Africa or somewhere and just don't figure.....
THANK YOU for this commentary. I could not be more in agreement with every single word of it.
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halva
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Phil, you might like to get a bit of dialogue going there with David Stewart at cicdd about Jay Reynolds or any other related subject. Any of the subjects that interest us on this undemocratic exclusivist CTC forum. (Not saying that Jay Reynolds is really one of those.)
See how they like it, there on their democratic unmoderated CICDD forum.
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orgonote
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Mon Oct 06, 2003 6:46 pm
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Hey ! Thanks for the upgrade, Lulu. That's ace
And Deborah, i'm glad you picked up on that point, it's the truth ain't it, gets lost in the rush
And wayne, you said.....
"How do you feel about developments at CICDD, Phil."
No more yet than what i've said there. Very much early days. Still figuring out what they are really about.
"Why did you support the idea of the forum remaining unmoderated?"
It's just an instinct--pretty much as i expressed it. I don't understand all the background of the conference and so on obviously and i don't think i will ever be as earnest and active about those matters as the people there mostly are. As i understand it you have the other bodies wmdd (is that it?) which is about getting rigorous with the real business. cicdd is set up simply as a talking shop yeah? To maximise the chances of properly seeing what the talk is you need to maximise the degrees of freedom within the forum in which the talk emerges. If you moderate it you instantly introduce an alternative agenda, by definition, imo, this must be counter to the aims of discovering the real possibilties of DD that might exist. If without moderation, what some fear comes to pass and the thing is overwhelmed with spammers say, then you at least learn the extent of that scourge--if you had already moderated it, then you will never find out.
One of my favourite forums--not to everyones taste--is godlike productions. It's actually my home page. I spend very little time there in fact, but like to see what they are talking about. Mostly they are talking about nothing, or crap. Often something is serious and out come the trolls. BUT there is something fascinating to observe which happens there. When the topic is being handled really deeply and gets true--the trolls fade out, they get bored. They only troll what is actually pretensive--as if they had some unconscious (probably) instinct that that was actually the case. The upshot is that from time to time something is expressed there which is really fine. Such is the alchemy of the place i don't believe those gems would emerge if there was heavy moderation.
An analogy. You can stretch out a rubber band. If you take the tension of one end, you have also taken it off the other. Fora are like this too, imo. If you moderate to remove the gutter, you will by default have also moderated the heights. Trouble is you'll never know it because it won't even emerge or show itself. You end up with a nice bland talking shop in which nothing valuable ever emerges. Fine,, if that's what folk want.
"Franz Isemann's undermining of George Kokkas' initiative to undertake moderating tasks was the straw that broke the camel's back for that forum, if their purpose was to intervene in the real world."
That's an opinion. I don't know enough to feel confidant it's the case. I just see alternative opinions.
Is it the purpose of that forum to intervene in the real world? That is not my take. I thought that was the hoped for function of the other body--the 'doing' wing of the whole DD effort. Have i got that right?
Which one is David Stewart? I've not picked up on that name yet i don't think.
To leave the right tone with you here, i should say that any opinions i seem to express are generally lightly held and constantly subject to review. As a general approach to life i am more concerned to shed opinions than collect them.
The more i come to know, so the less i am able to lock down with tight opinions.
Paradox again
Cheers
phil
p.s. I said at the start of the thread, responding to your comment about it, that i would post something about the free energy question. In due course i shall. In the interim this link is to (a not too long) a very good 'primer' on the topic. It gives a brief run down of some of the real possibilities out there, and perhaps more importantly an analysis of the forces in society which prevent it emerging to the mainstream. It is a huge threat to tptb.
http://www.luisprada.com/Protected/the_world_of_free_energy.htm
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It's been a busy day here in Athens. In the morning a journalist from one of the mass circulation newspapers rang and told me that Nikos Katsaros from the Democritus research center had sent her a fax with a short article by the Croat anti-chemtrail researcher Isakovic, claiming that chemtrails played a role in the Italian blackouts.
I've posted it at: http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001426-3.html
(Halfway down the thread.)
Deborah won't respect me more for my having submitted it for approval by our resident inscrutable HAARP insider Gaiacomm, whom not many others on this forum approach in the light-hearted empirical way I do.
After all this speculation on chemtrails, atmospheric moisture and power blackouts in the evening news there were reports of widespread blackouts in Attica due to atmospheric moisture.
I would say that Dr. Katsaros will be getting chemtrails onto television in the next weeks on the strength of all this.
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I've just read the whole of that thread which you posted the link to. It's fascinating. You guys really like to argue, eh? And categorise each other--and when you can't, you seem to really want to. That's ok, it's a way of being--i just note it.
The Giacomm character i don't know him yet, but i can't rapidly discern the bogeyman Mark and perhaps yourself see there, though you may be right. He seems to want folk to believe he is involved with setting up a life friendly project to help ameliorate the baleful effects of haarp. It would be nice to think that was true, i don't know but will wait and see. Old paradigm big science usually gets it wrong even if they start with sound intentions, that's automatic if you like. I suppose i'm a cynic to that extent.
The chemcloud/atmospheric humidity connection with power outages is feasible (even as G-comm accedes) but as part of any "they" did it scenario it starts to get wobbly, 'cos you couldn't predict where the shorts would occur or even be certain they would. That aside i am fairly certain that most of the recent spate of power outages have been engineered--less certain how.
Fwiw, i mend washing machines and as this unusually hot summer wore on i had a number of machines to look at where component failures (usually in the timers) were due to mysterious short cicuits. In every case these machines were in poorly ventilated and damp basements or cellars which as the space got hotter and hotter so the humidity rose--so i'm quite sure it could be a factor.
If i can see how i may be able to contribute some clarity to the orgone/orgonite effective or not, and if so how, theme on that thread. It needs it. And it's more than a placebo i'm sure.
I've replied here rather than there to say this.
I was amused a little to come on your comments about not being sure about me. Mark is pre-convinced before even knowing me that i am this MI6 guy of his imagination. Based on anothers opinion and zero evidence. That being so if i say 2+2=4 he is obliged to think 'ah! it must =5 then', or 'i am being suckered with this truth in order to be fed a lie further on'. When you buy falsehood, you are completely lumbered and can see nothing else. A morbid condition!
You, on the other hand confess to being none the wiser for what he has written about me. Whether that means just forum posts or includes private mails i don't know. You comment that i am at cicdd with a low-profile strategy, i think you said.
I will tell you this now. I am not here, or there, nor anywhere else with any strategy whatsoever. Nor have i ever been. Simply put, i do not "do" strategy, i do not "have" agendas. It is all transparent, what you see is what you get. That's it, that's all. This confuses strategists no end. They don't think it's credible. That is their problem. They generally think i am an agent, this seems the only way they can handle the mental discord. Depending on the forum i am MI6 or a christian plant sent to disrupt. The fact that i don't promote discord or flame all and sundry, can never suggest innocence to this mindset. Rather it is just the marker for a deeper sort of guile than they've hitherto encountered.
Mark is convinced that i am only here to "lay my MC foundations". The possibility that i am here simply because you asked me to enter a little discussion and now here hang about a little to see if i can contribute or not, is not a notion he can entertain. His problem, his loss.
There you go--i just wanted to say that. With the passage of time and events you can see if these assertions hold water, alright?
Cheers
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halva
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orgonote
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Yeah, sure. It's the aspiration certainly. If you think i'm a phony--spit it out.
Who is "laying MC foundations now?"
First i was "mysterious", then i became more "human", now what am i?
What is your "strategy"? Or is this the stage when YOU go self righteously silent?
What do you call this stance of yours, it wouldn't be "obfuscation" would it 'cos it's only the ones you take against do that, but it isn't sincerity that's apparent.
Wtf IS it with all you people?
If i was this guileful MI6 dude of fevered imagination why wasn't i here a year ago doing the MC thing? A bit slack, eh?
And i ask again, who is this David Stewart guy, and why might i like to get a bit of dialogue going with him at cicdd? Or don't you do courtesy either?
What do you want to know to be 'the wiser about me'?
So are these questions of mine MC subterfuge or just the response of a human being who hasn't liked CTs since '97 but is now wondering if he hasn't stepped into another asylum, and whose instinct to avoid it and just get on with pouring resin a year ago was probably the right one?
And the biggy---will you answer ANY of these questions? 
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P.S. I'm editing in this p.s. because there is the slim possibility that your "Yeah, sure" was just that--friendly acceptance, and i might have been losing sight of it. You need to make allowances, i have been wrestling with the ''muddy pig'' of croftian delusion for nearly a year, Mark Davey just being the latest crackpot on the scene, who has wound it all up again. Imagine being accused of child abuse or something--that will give you the flavour.
phil.
P.P.S. *Are* there any cloud-buster people here?? or if so are they all of delusional persuasion also or is it taint by association that keeps them away. I wonder them being all so stand up brave and all. Do your little hearts sing to see i'm getting antsi?
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