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POWELLS Iraq claims A SHAM!!!!!
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http://www.accuracy.org/new.htm
February 7, 2003
Powell Cited Sham "Fine Paper"
My colleagues, every statement I make today is backed up by sources, solid sources. These are not assertions. What we are giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence...
I would call my colleagues' attention to the fine paper that the United Kingdom distributed yesterday which describes in exquisite detail Iraqi deception activities.
-- Secretary of State Colin Powell to the United Nations Security Council, Feb. 5
# GLEN RANGWALA, gr10009@cam.ac.uk, www.middleeastreference.org.uk/iraqweapons.html
Rangwala is a lecturer in politics at Cambridge University in Britain. He has written a report: "A First Response to Secretary Colin Powell's Presentation Concerning Iraq" [available at ]www.traprockpeace.org/firstresponse.html] which takes issue with many of Powell's assertions.
In his analysis of Powell's claims, Rangwala found that substantial portions of "the fine paper that the United Kingdom distributed yesterday" referred to by Powell on Wednesday before the Council (entitled "Iraq: Its Infrastructure Of Concealment, Deception And Intimidation") were plagiarized from pre-existing sources including a paper by a postgraduate student, Ibrahim Al-Marashi, in California. Rangwala noted: "It's quite striking that even Al-Marashi's typographical errors and anomalous uses of grammar are incorporated into the Blair government document. Al-Marashi has confirmed to me that his permission was not sought; in fact, he didn't even know about the British document until I mentioned it to him.... None of the sources [in the Blair government document] are acknowledged, leading the reader to believe it is a result of direct investigative work, rather than simply copied from pre-existing Internet sources."
For more information, see: www.casi.org.uk/discuss/2003/msg00457.html
# WILLIAM RIVERS PITT, william.pitt@truthout.org, www.truthout.org/docs_02/020803A.htm
Author of the book War on Iraq: What Team Bush Doesn't Want You to Know, Pitt said today: "An analysis of the footnotes for the Al-Marashi essay clearly demonstrates that his work was meant to describe Iraq's intelligence apparatus and military situation in the 1990s. The British dossier was presented as an up-to-date report on the status of Iraq's weapons and terrorist ties.... Between other questionable sources and the unreliable data from the British, it seems all too clear that Powell's presentation was based upon information that is questionable to say the least."
# JOHN QUIGLEY, quigley.2@osu.edu
Professor of international law at Ohio State University, Quigley said today: "The U.S. has presented information to the Security Council on war and peace issues that later turned out to be false...."
Note: This morning, Norman Solomon, the Institute for Public Accuracy's executive director and coauthor of the new book Target Iraq, took calls from people who agree with Bush policy for one hour on C-Span. To watch the "Washington Journal" interview, click on the following link: http://video.c-span.org:8080/ramgen/jdrive/wj020703_solomon.rm
This video requires a Real media player. If you don't have one, you can download it free at: http://forms.real.com/netzip/getrde601.html?h=207.188.7.150&f=windows/RealOnePlayerV2GOLD.exe&p=RealOne+Player&oem=dl&tagtype=ie&type=dl
For more information, contact at the Institute for Public Accuracy:
Sam Husseini, (202) 347-0020; or David Zupan, (541) 484-9167
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Billy Joe McAllister
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Sun Feb 09, 2003 9:21 am
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Well, woo hoo...I guess we can conclude from this posting that Mech now sides with France, Germany and China. Big surprise here..
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Mech
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Sun Feb 09, 2003 9:24 am
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Say what?
NO..I'm a CONSTITUTIONALIST.
Are you DENYING (again) the FACTS presented before you? |
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Billy Joe McAllister
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Sun Feb 09, 2003 9:28 am
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I guess it's all a question of what is considered fact, isn't it?
Here's an olive branch....
Mech, Believe it or not, I like you. I like you because I can feel empathy for anyone living with all that anger and hatred bottled up (Obviously, it’s not completely bottled as you seem to have found an outlet for your expression on this message board). But, never-the-less, it must be hell thinking like you do all the time.
And I do think guys like you serve a necessary purpose, because government should be questioned. I just wish you’d take a more rational, honest and logical approach.
Let’s look at some areas where we may have some common agreements;
For one, I do believe as you do that there should be a small federal government, and that government has grown extremely large and out of control.
I do believe as you probably do, that war is a terrible, horrendous thing, and killing other human beings is probably the most repulsive thing that we humans sometimes do….although I probably differ from you in that I believe that wars like the coming one, are sometimes necessary for the survival of civilized man….(as ironic as that might seem).
OK…so give me credit. I found at least one and a half things we can probably agree on.
Ironic now, how Powell, champion of the moderates is now suddenly a liar in your view when he takes an anti-Iraq stance...
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Mech
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Sun Feb 09, 2003 9:34 am
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NOT JUST POWELL Billy. You have to see beyond this left/right paradigm. The future of our Constitutional Republic is at stake.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/08/international/europe/08BRIT.html?ex=1045717449&ei=1&en=9164210aa44bb7a1
Britain Admits That Much of Its Report on Iraq Came From Magazines
By SARAH LYALL
LONDON, Feb. 7 — The British government admitted today that large sections of its most recent report on Iraq, praised by Secretary of State Colin L. Powell as "a fine paper" in his speech to the United Nations on Wednesday, had been lifted from magazines and academic journals.
But while acknowledging that the 19-page report was indeed a "pull-together of a variety of sources," a spokesman for Prime Minister Tony Blair defended it as "solid" and "accurate."
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The document, "Iraq: Its Infrastructure of Concealment, Deception and Intimidation," was posted on No. 10 Downing Street's Web site on Monday. It was depicted as an up-to-date and unsettling assessment by the British intelligence services of Iraq's security apparatus and its efforts to hide its activities from weapons inspectors and to resist international efforts to force it to disarm.
But much of the material actually came, sometimes verbatim, from several nonsecret published articles, according to critics of the government's policy who have studied the documents. These include an article published in the Middle East Review of International Affairs in September 2002, as well as three articles from Jane's Intelligence Review, two of them published in the summer of 1997 and one in November 2002.
In some cases, the critics said, parts of the articles — or of summaries posted on the Internet — were paraphrased in the report. In other cases, they were plagiarized — to the extent that even spelling and punctuation errors in the originals were reproduced.
The Blair government did not deny that any of this had happened. But its spokesman insisted today that the government believed "the text as published to be accurate" and that the document had been published because "we wanted to show people not only the kind of regime we were dealing with, but also how Saddam Hussein had pursued a policy of deliberate deception."
He added: "In retrospect, we should, to clear up any confusion, have acknowledged which bits came from public sources and which bits came from other sources." He said the document had been written by government officials and drawn from "a number of sources, including intelligence sources."
"The overall objective was to give the full picture without compromising intelligence sources," he said.
But critics of the government said that not only did the document appear to have been largely cut and pasted together, but also that the articles it relied on were based on information that is, by now, obsolete.
For instance, the second section of the three-part report, which is described on the Downing Street Web site as providing "up-to-date details of Iraq's network of intelligence and security," was drawn in large part from "Iraq's Security and Intelligence Network: a Guide," an article about the activities of Iraqi intelligence in Kuwait in 1990 and 1991, which appeared in the Middle East Review of International Affairs last September. Its author was Ibrahim al-Marashi, a postgraduate student at the Monterey Institute of International Studies in California.
Mr. Marashi told Channel 4 News, which first reported the plagiarism charges, that his research had been drawn primarily from two huge sets of documents: "one taken from Kurdish rebels in the north of Iraq — around four million documents — as well as 300,000 documents left by Iraqi security services in Kuwait." He also said that while he had no reason to doubt the truth of anything he had written and believed the government report to be accurate, no one had asked permission or informed him about using his work.
"I am surprised, flattered as well, that this information got used in a U.K. government dossier," Mr. Marashi said in an interview with Reuters. "Had they consulted me, I could have provided them with more updated information."
Dr. Glen Rangwala, a lecturer in politics at Cambridge University who has compared the British report with the articles it used as sources, said that in some cases, the authors apparently changed phrases from the original articles to make the case against Iraq seem more extreme.
For instance, Dr. Rangwala said, a section on the Mukhabarat, the Iraqi directorate of general intelligence, appeared to have been lifted verbatim from Mr. Marashi's article, except for a few tweaks. Where Mr. Marashi mentions that the Mukhabarat's responsibilities include "monitoring foreign embassies in Iraq," the government document speaks of "spying on foreign embassies in Iraq." Mr. Marashi's description of the Mukhabarat's role in "aiding opposition groups in hostile regimes" becomes "supporting terrorist organizations in hostile regimes."
Critics of the British and American policy toward Iraq said the report showed how little concrete evidence the two governments actually have against Iraq, as well as how poor their intelligence sources were.
"Both governments seem so desperate to create a pretext to attack Iraq that they are willing to say anything," said Nathaniel Hurd, a consultant on Iraq and a critic of the American position. "This U.K. dossier, which deceptively uses outdated material and plagiarizes, is just the latest example of official dishonesty."
Opposition politicians here attacked the report as the deceptive work of a bumbling government clutching at straws as it tries to make a case for war.
"This is the intelligence equivalent of being caught stealing the spoons," said Menzies Campbell, the foreign affairs spokesman for the Liberal Democrats. "The dossier may not amount to much, but this is a considerable embarrassment for a government trying still to make a case for war."
Bernard Jenkin, the Conservative Party's shadow defense secretary, said the government had not satisfactorily addressed the concerns raised by the disclosures.
"The government's reaction utterly fails to explain, deny or excuse the allegations," Mr. Jenkin said. "The document has been cited by the prime minister and Colin Powell as the basis for a possible war. Who is responsible for such an incredible failure of judgment?"
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Mech
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Sun Feb 09, 2003 9:37 am
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REAL AUTHORS OF IRAQ DOSSIER BLAST BLAIR
Feb 8 2003
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12620001&method=full&siteid=50143
Exclusive By Gary Jones And Alexandra Williams In Los Angeles
JOURNALIST Sean Boyne and student Ibrahim al-Marashi have attacked Tony Blair for using their reports to call for war against Iraq.
Mr Boyne, who works for military magazine Jane's Intelligence Review, said he was shocked his work had been used in the Government's dossier.
Articles he wrote in 1997 were plagiarised for a 19-page intelligence document entitled Iraq: Its Infrastructure Of Concealment, Deception And Intimidation to add weight to the PM's warmongering.
He said: "I don't like to think that anything I wrote has been used for an argument for war. I am concerned because I am against the war."
The other main source was a thesis by post-graduate student, Ibrahim al-Marashi, the US-born son of Iraqis, who lives in California. His research was partly based on documents seized in the 1991 Gulf War.
He said: "This is wholesale deception. How can the British public trust the Government if it is up to these sort of tricks? People will treat any other information they publish with a lot of scepticism from now on."
After the dossier's origins were revealed, Mr Blair was accused by his own MPs of theft and lies. The fiasco has deeply damaged his attempts to win backing for military action.
It emerged the PA to Mr Blair's spin chief Alastair Campbell was involved in drawing up the dossier which was published last month.
Alison Blackshaw and a Government press officer were both named on the dossier when it was first put on the Government's website. But the names were later removed.
The bulk of the Government's document is directly copied, without acknowledgement, from Ibrahim's 5,000-word thesis - Iraq's Security and Intelligence Network - published last September.
He did not even know the dossier existed until Glen Rangwala, a Cambridge-based Iraq analyst, spotted the plagarism and called him.
Ibrahim, whose parents fled to the US from Iraq in 1968, said the Government not only blatantly lifted much of his work, including typing and grammatical errors. Mr al-Marashi and Mr Boyne said their figures had been altered in the Government document.
Former Labour Defence Minister MP Peter Kilfoyle said: "It just adds to the general impression that what we have been treated to is a farrago of half-truths.
"I am shocked that on such thin evidence that we should be trying to convince the British people that this is a war worth fighting."
And Labour MP Glenda Jackson said: "It is another example of how the Government is attempting to mislead the country and Parliament.
"And of course to mislead is a Parliamentary euphemism for lying."
The PM's official spokesman rejected Ms Jackson's claims but admitted it had been a mistake not to acknowledge Mr al-Marashi's thesis in the dossier.
He added: "The fact we used some of his work doesn't throw into question the accuracy of the document as a whole. This document is solid."
Asked whether Downing Street was embarrassed about the affair, the spokesman said: "We all have lessons to learn."
The dossier had been praised by US Secretary of State Colin Powell in his speech to the UN Security Council. Mr Boyne added: "Maybe I should invoice Colin Powell."
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Tue Feb 11, 2003 1:36 am
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ANYTHING to start a war. |
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Tue Feb 11, 2003 8:20 am
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Tue Feb 11, 2003 7:21 pm
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"Ironic now, how Powell, champion of the moderates is now suddenly a liar in your view when he takes an anti-Iraq stance...
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Are you kidding? BJM, you are more thick and uninformed than I ever imagined. No Olive Branch for you, just a big, thick, vertical middle finger or perhaps Prozac might help.
Power Colon, the "moderate" who tried to cover up the My Lai massacre.
http://www.americanpolitics.com/20030206Bisbort.html
Still no answer about the plagerized Iraq documents. Clinton lies about his pecker, and all the cons are beating impeachment drums. Powell, Bush, ad Nauseum lie, and that's OK. Well, I guess lying is OK, as long as it suits your agenda.
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Billy Joe McAllister
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Tue Feb 11, 2003 10:39 pm
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You liberal “progressive” types have been played like a fiddle by the strategic genius of Bush again. You fell for the classic rope a dope routine, and Powell was the bait. Read Rush’s take below to be offended…or if you can’t handle the truth, go here:
http://disney.go.com/park/homepage/today/html/index.html
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Bush's Brilliant Powell Speech Strategery
February 10, 2003
On Monday, I shared with you the ultimate analysis of the situation in response to Secretary of State Colin Powell's speech to the United Nations. Many of you are angry over polls like this one asking whether people trust Powell or Bush more, and of columns like those by the Washington Post's Mary McGrory saying that the SecState convinced her that Iraq is in "material breech."
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?I loved telling people that I was upset that Secretary Powell's speech was even necessary. We've known everything he said about Saddam Hussein was true. Yet the press framed the debate as the "hawks" on one side of the administration - Rummy, Wolfowitz, Cheney - and Powell on the other. We had all these suspicious leaks in the New York Times and the Washington Post, at which point I told you that those weren't accidental.
This White House hates leaks, which means they had a hand in what the press reported. It's been a clear strategery from Day One. Bush reluctantly agrees to go to UN on Powell's recommendation; Powell gets Security Council Resolution 1441 with Hussein allies France and German on board; the SecState's star rises higher than ever - and then he comes down and makes this case for war!
Now the other nations of the world, and liberals at home, have no choice but to go with Powell! We have just witnessed one of the most brilliantly conceived, flawlessly executed strategeries ever to come out of the White House. George W. Bush didn't care whether or not it was he or his SecState or anyone else who persuaded his opponents. All he wanted is for the truth to get out. He knew way in advance that there was going to be institutional opposition to him on the Democratic side of the aisle and in the press, so he brilliantly outflanked them.
Thank God we have a man in office who is using the same strategery, on the enemy, while people underestimate his intelligence.
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Swamp Gas
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Tue Feb 11, 2003 11:01 pm
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Ripe Limburger as the Purveyor of Truth!?!!???!!!
What a minute while I catch my breath from laughing!!!!!!!!! This is beyond ridiculous.
He can hardly hear, and that's why he likes to hear himself talk so much Cow Pies.
Bush intelligent!!?? Yeah, So was the Dummy Charlie McCarthy.
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Billy Joe McAllister
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Tue Feb 11, 2003 11:24 pm
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I warned you Gas...You should have clicked on Disney. I can only imagine the horrors of your emotional disturbance when it secretely dawns on you that Rush was right.
But I hope you will keep thinking this way. Bush loves the rope-a-dope game. People who think like you work to his advantage.
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Swamp Gas
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Tue Feb 11, 2003 11:37 pm
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I clicked on Disney, and you took the bait. Name-calling, and attacking again. Where did I attack your character in the last post? Funny how I can get along with Seeker. We yelled at each other just as we do, until finally we both realized it's a zero-sum game. We actually have some of the same beliefs about marriage, music, drug wars, UFO's, and vegetables. Makes it a lot more handleable. Now you seem to be really threatened by Liberals, Progressives, Leftists, and balanced conservatives. Sorry to hear that.
Bush is a dummy that is being manipulated by devious individuals.PERIOD. Ripe Limburger is a lying SOB. PERIOD |
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Billy Joe McAllister
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Wed Feb 12, 2003 12:05 am
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Just curious Gas, where do you see "name calling" in my last post?
As far as being threatened by liberals goes...hardly. On the contrary, I'm enjoying myself immensely watching the liberal “progressive”/socialist movement world wide crumble and go down in flames. I even hope the Dems put up Hillary as a presidential candidate. I would LOVE to see that. Liberals are in panic mode right now, and Bush is winning on every single front both domestic and abroad. I'm blown away by the man's strategic genius.
Like I said, it is my sincere hope that people like you will keep underestimating him. That works to his (and America's) advantage, and allows him the success he's been able to achieve in saving this country, from the certain doom brought upon it by the Klintoon administration.
PS....and your relationship with Seeker is not my concern. (Don't know why you think it would be)..
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Mech
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Wed Feb 12, 2003 12:46 am
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Billy,
You are truly living in your imagination. BU$H has created more debt than any president possibly EVER, the economy is in shreds, getting worse, to the point of police and firefighters being layed off, the world's people are in complete opposition to Bush foreign policy, the Coalition is falling apart and more countries are refusing to go to war, people are more insecure about their future than they ever have. The dollar itself is getting more and more devalued every day. And more buisnesses are closing due to CHINESE competition.
Come on Billy, you need to wake up to reality. It's not a "liberal" conspiracy. How could it? Repubs control congress, passed all of Bush's unconstitutional public spying laws etc. If you can't see that this country has been hijacked by ELITISTS who seek to feather thier own nests and sell out America...you are truly blind or YOU YOURSELF are one of THEM.
I'll bet on the second.
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