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defender
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Thanks NSAS, THAT is the 'smoking gun'  I've been looking for. I can beleive that HCI is a CIA/nazi operation, but I haven't seen any data concerning CIA or FBI involvement in the NRA as suggested earlier in this thread? If so, I'd think it would be disinformation designed to turn people off to the NRA. Like that rumor used by democrats and never refuted by corporate nazi media that 'the NRA would have an office in the White House if GWB were elected'. Demoratic Power that Suck were expert at demonizing personal gun ownership and the NRA, but Bush senior was no friend of the NRA and I've never heard any endorsement of the NRA by Bush, jr.
The Nazis historically want to disarm their 'herds' in order to simplify authoritarian control, so their grip on the democratic 'powers' is much more obvious int that party than in the Republican party who appear to have many more supporters of the 2nd Ammendment. |
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defender
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http://www.nexusmagazine.com/MindControlNWO.html
Private investigator Ted L. Gunderson was dragged kicking and screaming into the
netherworld of Satanism, child kidnapping, drug smuggling and other corruption.
Before he retired in 1979, Gunderson was the FBI Special Agent in Charge (SAC) in Los Angeles. He headed the FBI office, where he had 800 people under him and a yearly budget of over US$24 million. Since then, Gunderson's role as a private investigator and security consultant has led him to expose CIA drug dealing, child kidnapping and trafficking, mind control, and satanic murder-for-hire groups. He has also investigated many high-profile cases like the Dr Jeffrey McDonald case, the McMartin Preschool case, Nebraska's Franklin Cover-up case, the Oklahoma City Bombing case, the Inslaw/Octopus case, and many other real-life criminal conspiracies.
"Shortly after my retirement, I was asked to investigate the Jeffrey R. McDonald case
as a private investigator," said Gunderson in a recent interview. "He's a doctor who
was convicted of murdering his wife and two children at Fort Bragg, North Carolina on
February 17, 1970. I put in about 2,000 hours on the case. He had been convicted and
sentenced to three consecutive life sentences. Much to my surprise, the evidence
that I read, the information I developed...I've established beyond any question of a doubt that this man is absolutely innocent."
Jerry Allen Potter, author of Fatal Justice, a powerful point-by-point refutation of Joe
McGinnis's cover-up book, Fatal Vision, agrees. His book exposes McGinnis's
best-seller as pure fiction.
Gunderson continued: "I obtained a signed confession from Helena Stokely, the girl in
the floppy hat, for those who are familiar with the case. She said Dr McDonald did not
commit these crimes. They were committed, she said '...by my satanic cult group. It
was my initiation into the cult that night,' she said."
After a while, Gunderson realised that the McDonald case was a classic case of US
Government crime and cover-up.
"She gave me detailed information about movements within the house. She told me
she attempted to ride a rocking horse in the child's bedroom that night, but she
couldn't ride it because the spring was broken. The only way she could have known
that was to have been there that night.
"I submitted an 1100-plus page report in March 1981 to Judge William Webster, who w
as then the head of the FBI, with a personal letter to him and to the US Department of
Justice. Much to my surprise, my 19 witnesses including Helena Stokely started
calling me and telling me, 'Hey Ted, they're trying to get me to recant.' And I'm telling
myself, 'That isn't the responsibility of the FBI. The FBI is supposed to gather
information, not destroy it.' And that was my first clue that we had a serious problem
in that case and in the other cases I handled. I noticed in each instance that evidence was destroyed, lost, stolen; that there were strong indications of corruption.
"So I asked myself, 'What's going on here?' And over the years I started gathering
materials. Up until about two years ago, I kept saying, 'There's a loose-knit network
operating in this country, involving drugs, pedophilia, prostitution, corruption, etc.
From my research, I'm convinced it's much more serious. It's much more than a
loose-knit network. It is a conspiracy. And you know how the media goes after you when you use that 'c'-word. And I'm going to prove it to you. By the way, this conspiracy involves pornography, drugs, pedophilia and organised child kidnapping.
"My 'missing children' lecture documents that the Finders, an organisation in
Washington, DC, is a CIA front," said Gunderson. "It's a covert operation involved in international trafficking of children."
He was referring to a US Customs Service report which states that the Finders case
is to be closed because it is "an internal CIA matter".
Gunderson added: "These people - the satanic movement in the world - have set up
preschools for the purpose of getting their hands on our children. The parents drop
them off at nine in the morning and pick them up at night."
Far-fetched? Think again. In The Law Is For All, Aleister Crowley writes:
"Moreover, the Beast 666 [Crowley's reference to himself] adviseth that all children shall be accustomed from infancy to witness every type of sexual act, as also the process of birth, lest falsehood fog and mystery stupefy their minds whose error else
might thwart and misdirect the growth of their subconscious system of self-symbolism."
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Sun May 13, 2001 9:41 pm
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Hey, teacher, leave those kids alone!
http://apfn.org/THEWINDS/archive/family/educate6-97.html
President Clinton said in an address to the NEA that he believes his goals for America closely parallel those of the NEA, further stating: "You and I are joined in a common cause, and I believe we will succeed." It has been made clear what the common cause is that the president and the NEA share. It is nothing less than the degradation, domination and destruction of America and the remnants of freedom which remain in the world. Again quoting from the NII Agenda for Action, "Amid technological change and SOCIAL UPHEAVAL, we need gathering spots where we can... weave a (new) social fabric." It is planned that the (new) social fabric will consist of a subservient, servile herd. The president has also promised that "out of CHAOS (social upheaval) shall rise the new world order." Social upheaval and chaos are prerequisites for the new world order, they prepare the way. Chaos and social upheaval are the problems which make the global herd willing to receive the new world order as the solution.
One does not even have to read between the lines to understand what is planned, they have spelled it out clearly. The world can expect "social upheaval" and "chaos". Dr. Dennis Cuddy, a former official in the U.S. Department of Education writes, "When the government begins to treat people in a manner which is beyond freedom and dignity, it is unlimited in the cruelties that will follow. Families are destroyed under the guise of protecting the family, schools become indoctrination centers where all manner of rebellion against parents, morality, love of country and civility are promulgated (under very benevolent, caring people and 'for your own good'). When a nation is ruled by such leaders, there is no way out." Florida Forum , July,1996.
Founding father Samuel Adams said, "While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue they will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader." This prophesy has met its fulfillment in America today. "When a nation transgresses, it has many rulers." Proverbs 28:2.
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Sat May 19, 2001 3:07 am
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EMAIL: 6/6/99 4:01:24 PM, Subject: I Saw The General
I too saw the 2 star general on the MSNBC feed. I don’t know what time of the day this was, but it was during the time of the “siege” and I did see these “policemen” with the NATO shields. At first, I didn’t put any emphasis on the matter of the shields, but I was concerned about the general. A person, who understands insignias, would have a problem with this “general.” The problem was/is I couldn’t tell what command he was in (and this is an automatic when looking at a uniform). There was nothing on his uniform which would lead one to believe he was involved with the USAF, U.S. Army, or the U.S. Marines. I know this!!
I am a retired U.S. Army Officer, Colonel with 33 years of service, retiring in 1989. I know uniforms, insignias have not changed this drastically in ten years, so what else is there to think? A UN general…
William A. Williams, Col. (Ret)
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shatoga
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Sat Jun 07, 2003 7:58 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by defender:
This will blow your mind....
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1350.cfm
The school shootings may have been an organized effort under the Clinton Administration to help destroy the 2nd ammendment and U.S. citizens right to own firearms. To disarm America and to help usher in the NWO.
Check out the maps at this site!
Mindblowing indeed that:
Bible thumping rightwing paranoids.
(who as this shows)
Blamed Bill Clinton even for the weather overseas http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1350.cfm
>We believe it likely that many disasters involving the Weather
plus other major disasters may have been planned to occur<
>flooding in Venezuela<
And unlike today when the Bush Administration's orchestration of events is so easily seen
by anyone who looks with an open mind.
rightwingnuts stretch more than just the truth to make their whacko conspiracy theories work:
>Remember, the Littleton, Colorado 'Columbine High School' shooting was 85 miles off the line,
telling us that these lines are at least 85 miles wide. <
They did paint with a wide brush is blaming Clinton for every woe on earth, but
lines 85 miles wide takes the cake.
Even that idiotic notion can be exceeded:
>John F. Kennedy, Junior's plane went down < ...
>While his plane apparently did not go down right on the line, it went down close enough to it<
should have made those lines a couple of hundred miles wide?
>We have been reporting for over 10 years now
that both the American and Russian militaries
can create both earthquakes and volcanic eruptions anywhere they desire, at any time.<
Hmm...so they send soldiers to fight and die for kicks?
why not just pop a volcano in Bagdad instead?
Or send a Tsumani to destroy North Korea?
If only these rightwingers could look at the events of the Bush regime with a
"What if Clinton did this? attitude.
What could these people have done with frame by frame analysis of the controlled demolitions of the WTC
or the military stand down on 911?
Their ilk impeached a President for trying to hide an affair with a willing and eager younger woman.
How many wingnuts are now hypocritically claiming any criticism of the President is unpatriotic?
Or have a very few opened their eyes: http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/headline.html
>HAS REV. SUN MYUNG MOON PURCHASED THE TOP RIGHT-WING EVANGELISTIC LEADERSHIP LOCK-STOCK-BARREL?
Jesus warned us: Counterfeit Tares will grow to maturity at the End of the Age; Unparalleled spiritual deception shall arise, deceiving many; He warned us to separate ourselves from believers who are not truly believers. Too many American Christians have totally ignored these warnings, and are now spiritually blinded beyond belief. But now, we realize many Evangelical leaders are united with top ranks of the Illuminati.<
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David
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Sat Jun 07, 2003 8:21 pm
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Shatoga--
Some years back I met the REV.SUN MYUNG MOON at a mountain retreat. I, thank God, left intact but many of those that were there with me did not. Some stayed on, some left later and returned home.
The late returners were changed, not the same people I had known and hung out with. They seemed lost and distant even confused and would not readily speak of what they had encountered.
He and his 'indoctrination program', best described as brain washing, are scary to say the least. It took an iron will to resist and leave, the pressure to stay was amazing.
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shatoga
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Sat Jun 07, 2003 8:57 pm
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What struck me about this conspiracy topics thread was the sudden resounding silence.
Last post before mine was May of 2001.
These people stopped believing conspiracies suddenly?
Yes,
I'vs seen people fall under the influence of cults more than once.
People are kept 24 hours a day in the company of cult members until their lives are totally involved in the cult's rhythm of life;
the cult's way of thinking.
Boot camp is the same thing, in the sense that they never bother to untrain us.
"Once a Marine. Always a Marine"
(I've been under fire alongside of Marines/ I like them OK?)
Manson, Jim Jones, sun Yung Moon
are cult leaders.
I was present at the arraignment near Allentown PA, of two 'extreme right militia' kids who'd killed several people.
Their attorney considered
as a possible defense
their 'brainwashing by RW talk radio'
blasting Rush Limbaugh, Gordon Liddy, Mike Savage, Dr Laura and the constant theme of hate and violence aimed toward Liberals.
(blaring from loudspeakers at their farm 24 hours every day)
The nut who crashed his plane into the WhiteHouse and the one who fired a military rifle at the white House were both dittoheads determined to get Clinton.
Thier cult had brainwashed them into committing acts of violence;
the attorney pointed out.
SRA (see previous posts in this topic) is to accomplish exactly that purpose: cult control and violence at the direction of cult leaders.
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the professor
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Sun Jun 08, 2003 7:05 am
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their 'brainwashing by RW talk radio'
blasting Rush Limbaugh, Gordon Liddy, Mike Savage, Dr Laura and the constant theme of hate and violence aimed toward Liberals.
(blaring from loudspeakers at their farm 24 hours every day)
The nut who crashed his plane into the WhiteHouse and the one who fired a military rifle at the white House were both dittoheads determined to get Clinton
You can't possibly be serious? what proof do you have that the plane crash guy was a ditto head? and now if someone is conservative it's considered a hate cult.
Your way too funny, if you want true right wing hate listen to some of the militias internet talkshows, don't just blame every conservative because you don't agree with them or think that you really know whats really going on. DR Laura? I know she's a bitch but c mon your being too hard on her.
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shatoga
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Sun Jun 08, 2003 3:41 pm
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Point taken Professor.
Only the left behind writings and family recall of the pilot indicated he was a faithful Limbaugh/ Liddy/ Savage/ listener.
Nothing indicated they told him to deliberately crash into the WH in a stupid attempt to kill Clinton.
The shooter was more easily tied to Liddy's advice to "shoot 'em in the head" because of body armor.
I used to argue with Tim McVeigh in an AOL chat room.
'tim McVey@aol.com' listed his occupation on the members' list as "mad bomber".
After the OKC bombing I called the onscreen fibbie number to relate that Tim was not smart enough to pull it off by himself.
He didn't even know how to make anfo, much more how to set up the attack.
After taking my name and SSN, DOB etc.
the agent pulled me up 'on screen'
"thank you for calling sir. we'll take your name off the list."
They had transcripts of the aol chats!
(October 1994)
Tim >not registered, but always vote republican<
Me >if not registered/ how do you vote?<
Tim >got me there<
Now does that sound smart?
"not registered, but always vote..."
Tim was a dupe!
Susceptable to anyone he agreed with.
Taking the attitude of anti government(*1) conservatives was natural to him.
*(only against it until they got control that is/ it's now bigger and more intrusive than when the libs were in control)
my point still is:
People who saw conspiracies everywhere when Clinton was in office have blinded themselves to events since 'their' side took over.
Both sides are capable of reprehensible acts.
Mrs. Weaver was murdered during Bush the first's administration.
Waco during Clinton's administration.
Cannot we all agree:
that both were wrong!
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