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PostSat May 17, 2003 9:09 pm  Reply with quote  

once again your full of s!@# mech, bush is mentioned what once in that...ahemmm...article...

this thread is about BUSH not neo-con's....

personally thread drift does not bother me,and I could really care less...but when part-time moderator's come flyin in accusing ME of it...gets me buggin'...

especially considering how dead this board has been lately...I would think that encouraging discussion would be the thing to do...

carl's jr. has a damn good burger to...the double chilli cheese with fries...oh momma !

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PostSat May 17, 2003 9:22 pm  Reply with quote  

WHERE is BU$h NOT mentioned here Seeker?

"Why does the Bush administration lie so much?"

"It is mainly because Bush's Svengali-like political adviser, Karl Rove, has taken to heart the advice of Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

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PostSat May 17, 2003 9:38 pm  Reply with quote  

only mentioned once...and like I said I don't really care until nosey folks start telling me how the cow ate the cabbage...

for the purist the topictude of your post was not about was more about karl rove...and it was chock full of hearsay and innuendo...

yeah...I trust that post of yours mech...all kinds of verifiable truth there...

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PostTue May 20, 2003 1:32 am  Reply with quote  

gonna really miss this guy...

Ari Fleischer to Resign as White House Press Secretary

Monday, May 19, 2003

WASHINGTON — Ari Fleischer (search) is resigning as White House press secretary.

The public face of the Bush administration through two wars and a terrorist attack, Fleischer said he plans to enter the private sector. His replacement will likely be deputy press secretary Scott McClellan .

"I informed President Bush last week that after 21 years of doing nothing but government and politics ... that I have decided that my time has come to leave the White House," Fleischer, 42, said Monday morning.

"I love this job … I believe deeply about President Bush as a man and I believe deeply in his policies, but it's my time to go."

Fleischer said he'll most likely leave in July and that he wanted to step down before Bush's re-election campaign gears up.

"I want to do something more relaxing -- like dismantle live nuclear weapons," he said jokingly.

He notified President Bush of his decision Friday, and the president ended the conversation "by kissing me on the head," he said.

Fleischer served as press secretary for Sen. Pete Dominici (search), R-N.M., from 1989 to 1994 and later as spokesman for the House Ways and Means Committee. Prior to joining the campaign of then-Gov. Bush in the fall of 1999, he served as communications director for Elizabeth Dole's presidential campaign.

It's not uncommon in the first two years of a new presidency that many high-level officials resign.

Fleischer said he may go on the speaking circuit and may do some writing. Married just six months ago, he told Fox News that the amount of time he spends on the job has prevented him from spending enough time with his wife.

With Bush beginning his re-election campaign, Fleischer said this is the time to leave the White House "or sign on for the full four years." But he said he plans to stay in Washington until the 2004 presidential election is over.

Fleischer said he will be more than willing to lend a hand to Bush's campaign staff.

"I've just been thinking about what I want to do, when I want to do it," he said.

Although he often jokes with reporters during the daily briefings, at times, Fleischer has found himself at odds with the White House press corps and had an uneasy relationship with some senior Bush aides, but he said the departure was his idea.

A cautious and calibrating press secretary, Fleischer has been the public voice and face of the Bush White House through the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the war in Afghanistan and Operation Iraqi Freedom, loyally putting the best spin on events.

He frustrated reporters by constantly dodging the toughest questions and sometimes irked his White House colleagues by pushing for access behind the scenes. But he also sought to ease tensions between the White House press.

"I think he was the right person for the job and for this president," said Joe Lockhart, former White House spokesman for Democratic President Bill Clinton. "The president wanted somebody who was loyal, who was disciplined, someone who needed to keep a secret. I think he was an articulate spokesman in a difficult situation, working for a president who demanded secrecy beyond what was really called for."

According to reports, Fleischer privately accused superiors of passing on bad information to the press office while the senior staff would quietly point the finger back to Fleischer. Still, senior White House officials said Monday that Fleischer left on his own, and that Bush wanted him to stay through the re-election campaign.

While his pronouncements on Bush policy have been in step with a White House that has kept a tight lid on information, Fleischer has had some fumbles.

For example, leading up to the war with Iraq, Fleischer denied reports that Bush was meeting with Prime Minister Tony Blair abroad. The trip was announced the next day.

He also goofed once on the whereabouts of the vice president. Asked why Dick Cheney did not attend a Sept. 11 anniversary event, Fleischer said the vice president was at a meeting of Bush's top aides.

When it was pointed out to him that Bush's top aides were at the anniversary event, Fleischer stammered.

Cheney actually had been whisked away to a secret location because of the same potential threats to the country that prompted the government to heighten the public terror alert soon after.

Fleischer also acknowledged shooting himself in the foot when he snapped that "one bullet" in Saddam Hussein's head would be cheaper than a war to topple the Iraqi dictator.

But Fleischer also showed his more humorous streak.

This year, he defended Bush's plan to deny normal collective bargaining and other workers' rights at the Homeland Security Department by noting that presidents have long had the authority to suspend such rights in a national emergency.

Senate opponents would stop Bush from using powers he already has in other departments, he contended.

"If he declared that there was an emergency, he could stop collective bargaining at the Department of Agriculture," Fleischer said. "So under what the Senate is proposing, the president will have more authority to help protect the homeland if potatoes attacked America in the Department of Agriculture than he would if terrorists did."

Two senior White House officials said Bush hasn't yet decided who will replace Fleischer. They agreed that Texas native McClellan is the likely replacement, but there are other candidates, including Republican strategist Ed Gillespie and Pentagon spokesman Victoria Clarke.

One week out of college, Fleischer came to Washington and began work in politics. He was planning on staying in the area in that field for only a year, and wound up staying for over 20.

Fleischer said he hopes to eventually move back to New York.
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PostTue May 20, 2003 2:51 am  Reply with quote  

Say it ain't so! Now who's going to have all that fun with the senile Helen Thomas?
I thought that guy was one of the coolest dudes under pressure....but I think this statement pretty much says it all;

I want to do something more relaxing -- like dismantle live nuclear weapons," he said jokingly.
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PostTue May 20, 2003 7:34 am  Reply with quote  

I've seen about every Fleischer briefing the last 1 1/2 years...he's good...I'd hate to play poker with calm and smooth as glass...his loss is a big mistake and problem for the bush admin.

as the article says he's basically at the top of his game...

people don't leave at the top of their game...

historically the "bush's" make catastrophic mistake that cost them...I would hope this ain't one of them....

then again those damn women have a habit of changing the history of men...

ari speaks :

For today, all I can tell you is when I look back and I think about the almost four years, I look back and think what a period of time in our nation's history that this has been, and how fortunate I am that President Bush asked me to stand at this podium and serve.

You know, it was the closest election in modern history. It was a Supreme Court recount. In 2001, of course, one of the first actions that took place was after the President's tax cut went through and education plans, there was an historic switch in the United States Senate. September 11th, one war, the anthrax attacks, another war, all of that has taken place in less than four years. It's a momentous period of time that I've had the privilege of standing here and serving this President. I think much of the reason it is such a big era with big things happening is because President Bush has faced them and made this a big era where he's willing to confront these challenges.

And that's what I think about today. And I also think, frankly, about the fact that all those items I just listed took place while I was in the White House -- one war, two wars, the anthrax attacks. But most importantly, what also took place here, is I met my wife who worked in this White House. And I'm very much looking forward to relaxing and spending more time with her.

Today's white house briefing transcript


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PostTue May 20, 2003 8:29 am  Reply with quote  

I liked the fact that Bush kissed his shiny head when Ari gave him notice. Just shows what kind of individual we have as a president...a great and caring human being.

By contrast, when Clinton was president, kissing heads was Monica's job...
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PostWed May 21, 2003 12:14 pm  Reply with quote  

There is precedent for such shows of affection.
And for the affection of followers for their leader.
Rather than distance themselves like left/centrists do, rightwing politicians often show public respect to those whom they have cast aside.


>Hitler walked over to Hindenburg and respectfully bowed before him while taking hold of the old man's hand.<

>Hitler was well loved and loved in return,<

>"Hitler, the artist and designer,
designed a society for loving human beings, not plastic dummies."
Through this great struggle, the white Germanic messiah prevented
"the end of White Civilization."

Even in defeat, therefore, "we loved him because his spiritual
presence prevented our sufferings and sorrows from overwhelming
from: "The Hitler We Loved and Why"
George Dietz & 'Christof Friedrich' (pseudonym of 'Ernst Zundel')

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PostWed May 21, 2003 6:41 pm  Reply with quote  

Seems like you have a Hitler fetish, $#@#!....
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PostWed May 21, 2003 10:29 pm  Reply with quote  

he watched hitler the early years last night and got a little worked up over the deal....achtung her $#@#! ! achtung !


seems to be a trend of bush admin. leaving to spend time with family...


Christie Whitman Resigns As EPA Chief


Christie Whitman, sometimes at odds with the Bush White House over environmental issues and a lightning rod for the administration's critics, resigned Wednesday as head of the Environmental Protection Agency.

Whitman said in a letter to President Bush that she was leaving to spend time with family.

"As rewarding as the past two-and-a-half years have been for me professionally, it is time to return to my home and husband in New Jersey, which I love just as you do your home state of Texas," she wrote Bush.

With Whitman's departure as EPA administrator, Bush loses one of the most prominent women in his Cabinet - a moderate former New Jersey governor selected by the president to help soften his image as a political conservative, particularly on environmental issues.

In a statement, Bush called Whitman "a trusted friend and adviser who has worked closely with me to achieve real and meaningful results to improve our environment," and also "a dedicated and tireless fighter for new and innovative policies for cleaner air, purer water and better protected land."
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PostThu May 22, 2003 1:27 am  Reply with quote  

There is precedent for such shows of affection.
And for the affection of followers for their leader.
Rather than distance themselves like left/centrists do, rightwing politicians often show public respect to those whom they have cast aside.
Christie Todd Whitman.
it wasn't from watching the miniseries stupids.
It's from knowing the truth!

You stepped into the truth.
Now try to ignore it:
Conservatives and the "N" word
Among Conservatives,
The only "N" word not socially acceptable is "Nazi"
because it describes them so accurately.
How dare Conservatives to Nazis?
I don't!
They compare themselves to Nazis, by their rhetoric and by their actions.

The parallels in rhetoric are unmistakable:
"I think 'one man, one vote,' just unrestricted democracy, would not be wise.
There needs to be some kind of protection for
the minority which the white people represent now,
and they need and have a right to demand a protection of their rights."
--Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 3/18/92
"Die Deutschen Leute verlangen Schutz!"--Adolph Hitler
The German people demand protection!
If it spouts Nazi rhetoric,
"I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens,
nor should they be considered patriots.
This is one nation under God."-- George Bush
Jews should not be considered citizens of Germany.
Ein Volk-Ein Reich-Ein Fuhrer!-Gott Mitt Eins!
Behaves like a Nazi:
>(a famous reporter at CNN) says "The news room is practically a war zone itself --
the reporters are being prevented by a single news editor
from reading stories that are coming over the wire service
if they don't promote the Administration's propaganda. (tidbit from a party)<
Sound familiar?
Nazis and the Republican Party
By Carla Binion
January 28, 2000 |
Investigative reporter Christopher Simpson says in "Blowback" that after World War II,
Nazi émigrés were given CIA subsidies to build a far-right-wing power base in the U. S.
These Nazis assumed prominent positions in the Republican Party's "ethnic outreach committees."
Simpson documents the fact that these Nazis did not come to America as individuals
but as part of organized groups with fascist political agendas.
The Nazi agenda did not die along with Adolf Hitler.
It moved to America (or a part of it did) and joined the far right of the Republican Party.<
Takes the same actions, for the same reasons,as the Nazis did:
The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy.
All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism
and exposing the country to danger.
It works the same in any country."
Hermann Goering,
{It's working in America today!}
-it's a Nazi party=GOP
And I'm not the only person who has noticed!
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"something that's really important and is so true...
Democrats are just as patriotic about their country as Republicans"
George W. Bush- January 22, 2001
Many conservatives accuse Hitler of being a leftist, on the grounds that his party was named "National Socialist." But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production. In Nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state. True socialism does not advocate such economic dictatorship -- it can only be democratic. Hitler's other political beliefs place him almost always on the far right. He advocated racism over racial tolerance, eugenics over freedom of reproduction, merit over equality, competition over cooperation, power politics and militarism over pacifism, dictatorship over democracy, capitalism over Marxism, realism over idealism, nationalism over internationalism, exclusiveness over inclusiveness, common sense over theory or science, pragmatism over principle, and even held friendly relations with the Church, even though he was an atheist.
"The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing" Socrates
Send an email blast to the media today!
also check out a REAL free press...
To all those who hate the Nazi comparisons....
Justice Dept. Drafts Sweeping Expansion of Anti-Terrorism Act
Prove the information that shows a deliberate program to transform the Republican right wing into Nazis is wrong.
That's what Democrats do - persuade with facts.
That seem to match pretty closely things that I've heard out of the mouths of * & Falwell/Robertson:
"The national government will regard as its first & foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity & cooperation. It will preserve & defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards christianity as the foundation of our national morality, & the family as the basis of national life."
--Adolf Hitler, Proclamation to the German Nation, 2/1/33
"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction & a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training & religion must be derived from faith...We need believing people."
--Adolf Hitler, 4/26/33
. there's a Bad Moon on the rise
Everything under the Moon-
Must see! link:
>The Moonies are not your friend
The Moonies are a dangerous mind control cult with millions of followers and billions of dollars. Reverend Moon is a religous nut who is trying to take over the world. Moon openly admits that he thinks he is God and he expects to be worshipped! As you read my Washington Times exerpts from Moon's web site, you will see how deeply rooted the Moonies are in the press, the Christian evangelical movement, and the Republican Party. If you're a member of the Press, a Christian, or a Republican, this should scare the Hell out of you.<
>Moon claims on his Web Site
that he had great influence over Reagan. Moon claims he was the one who got Reagan to go for SDI (Star Wars). Moon claims that through the Washington Times,
a Moonie owned newspaper, that he is responsible for Bush winning the presidency in 1988.
Since than President Bush has appeared at Moonies events and endorsed the cause of the moonies. So has former president Ford. Moon has spend at least 2 Billion Dollars influencing American Politics, Christian Organizations, and the American Press.<
>Frederick Clarkson (Eternal Hostility, Common Courage Press, 1997) reports that Moon has stated his goal is the "subjugation of the American government and population." {B}(Clarkson's source: John Judis, "Rev. Moon's Rising Political Influence: His Empire Is Spending Big Money To Try To Win Favor With Conservatives," U. S. News and World Report, March 27, 1989.)
according to former Unification church members, Moon's program to "instill discipline" included showing "Nazi films on organizing Hitler Youth."<
>The "Reverend" Sun Myung Moon is the leader of one of the world's most insidious and influential cults--one with an estimated $10 billion in business assets worldwide. His church controls TheWashington Times ( America's capital's second largest daily newspaper), Paragon Publishers of New York, the University of Bridgeport,the Christian Bernard jewelery chain, Happy World toy and clothing outlets, and China's Panda Motors. He also sponsors such bogus right-wing organizations as the "World Media Association" and the "International Cultural Foundation" which seek to lend legitimacy to this cult. He has hoodwinked a number of none-too-erudite politicians, scholars, and religious leaders worldwide into lending their name to his support. One, suprisingly, is none other than Rodrigo and Estrella Carazo Odio, Costa Rica's former president and first lady, who were listed as members of the "International Host Committee" who welcomed Moon during his 1993 world tour. They were in the company of such personages as Donald Reid-Cabral--the right-wing, CIA-payrolled "interim" president of the Dominican Republic who was named to that post after a US-instigated coup overthrew democratically elected president Juan Bosch in 1963. <

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PostThu May 22, 2003 3:10 am  Reply with quote  

Hey $#@#!, are you sure you aren't Crazy Larry by another name? s!@# still smells as bad by any other name (to “paraphrase” Shakespeare). I notice that your styles of spam are similar, as if pre-written in an e-mail file somewhere...only Crazy Larry makes liberal use of the all capitalized sentences to emphasize a deranged point hear and there.

We haven't heard from Mech lately either. Are you sure you turkeys aren't all the same idiot?
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PostThu May 22, 2003 3:32 am  Reply with quote  

he's doing what mech was doing posting the same garbage'....

whether intentional or by mistake still the same garbage'

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Clinton praises Bush

The Boston Channel reports the presidential campaign of Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry received some startling news Wednesday from his own back yard. A poll recently conducted by the research institute Mass Insight shows Kerry trailing President Bush in the race for president in the Bay State. Knight Ridder: Gearing up a money machine that he hopes to ride to re-election, President Bush will return to the fund-raising circuit Wednesday with a $12 million dinner for Republican congressional candidates. The gala at Washington's new convention center is a warm-up for what is sure to be another record-shattering money drive for Bush's own re-election campaign. Republican strategists say the president could easily raise as much as $200 million, an amount that would give him a huge financial advantage over his Democratic rivals. In 2000 Bush raised $100 million in private donations, dwarfing Democrat Al Gore's war chest. reports Bill Clinton stunned a Syracuse University audience on Mother's Day. The controversial former president delivered a commencement address devoid of controversy or partisan politics. And at a time other Democrats - including his own wife - are attacking the White House on everything from tax cuts to judicial nominees, Clinton actually praised his Republican successor.
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a good day !

AP reports President Bush on Thursday embraced a dramatically reduced compromise version of his tax-cut plan Tuesday, calling the $350 billion package "good for American workers, good for American families." In a rare trip to Capitol Hill, the president thanked the GOP-led Congress for passing an AIDS spending bill and promised to make Medicare reform a top issue when lawmakers return from a Memorial Day recess. The Des Moines Register's David Yepsen writes "The 2004 Democratic presidential campaign is taking on the trappings of the 1984 contest. There's a glut of candidates - eight then, nine now. They're starting to spend much of their time traveling from one debate to another courting different party constituencies at these political "cattle shows." The wannabies do a good job beating up the Republican incumbent at these yak-a-thons, but in an effort to differentiate themselves they can jeopardize party unity by sounding small and sniping. Candidates also tend to pander and fall into the natural trap of telling groups what they want to hear. Both the pandering and the sniping could contribute to making the nominee unelectable." reports former Ku Klux Klansman Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.V., staged a rhetorical cross-burning on the floor of the U.S. Senate on Wednesday, scorching the Bush administration for leading the U.S. into war with Iraq under what he said were false pretenses.
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