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shatoga
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Would you support the President?
 Mon Jul 14, 2003 9:54 am
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If Clinton had signed the USA Patriot Act:
suspended the USConstitution and Bill of Rights.
And specifically suspended Habeus Corpus.
Incarcareted thousands of citizens and resident aliens without letting any of them call a lawyer.
(all unconstitutional)
Invaded foreign nations in violation of the UN sanctions.
Invaded the privacy of every single American's mail, e-mail and even sought records of books bought or checked out of the library.
Would you support the President?
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Mech
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Mon Jul 14, 2003 9:57 am
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Hell no.
I don't care WHO the president was...he should be out.
But the whole UN thing to me is suspect anyway.
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the professor
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Tue Jul 15, 2003 1:30 am
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Your only now starting to suspect the UN? And you think Dubya is bad, If it was up to me I'd send the UN packing and kick them twofaced sombitches out of America along with anyone else who doesn't agree with me.
joking on the last part. |
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shatoga
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Tue Jul 15, 2003 10:48 am
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the question Mech and Professor,
is:
If Clinton had done what Bush did...
would you support or oppose?
anyone able to give an honest response?
FReeRepublic has many rightwing members who think that way:
Wrong is wrong,
despite the party label
affixed to the name of the demigod
who signed the unconstitutional legislation.
Reality should intrude!
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Fastwalker
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Tue Jul 15, 2003 6:07 pm
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quote:
If Clinton had signed the USA Patriot Act:
suspended the USConstitution and Bill of Rights.
And specifically suspended Habeus Corpus.
It is questionable whether Bush proposals did these things. I argue that they did not.
Clinton, in contrast with Bush, was/is and evil individual if we just look at him from a human perspective, politics aside. Bush is not. In fact, Bush is too optimistic, has too much faith in human nature for his own good. Given that he truly is a Christian and a good and decent human being, I don't think he realizes that people truly hate him. I don't think he hates others, and he probably can't conceive of people hating him....but they do. The Democrat party is filled with people motivated and driven by pure hatred and the pure petty quest for power at all costs.....and the naïveté with Bush comes in, in that he still believes he can deal with people who hate him, who would literally and figuratively destroy him, given half a chance.
Where does this naïveté come from? Well, it comes from his faith in human nature, his Christian beliefs. He has been trying to deal with the good in people, because he has to deal with people on the Democratic side, like it or not. The problem is, in trying to deal with Democrats, he's trying to deal with and compromise with the Devil and it won't work. They will not compromise. They will not have compassion. They are out to destroy him at all costs. If that means destroying the economy and security of the United States to gain back power, Democrats will do it. They are cold and ruthless completely lacking in morality or principal. The ends justify the means to the modern Democratic party. They will lie, cheat, steal and even kill to get their power back, and I don't know if Bush's faith will let him see their utter ruthlessness. In my view, this is the definition of evil. It's evil to actively destroy your country and undermine soldiers in harm's way to pursue your petty ambitions....and this is exactly what the Democrats are consciously doing. They would destroy the economy just to make Bush look bad. The Democrat party is possessed with and consumed by petty evil, yet Bush must still deal with these people if he wants to get anything passed at all. That is the dilemma.
Now this brings me to the point Shatoga. Come to reality. You've got two choices in the next election. That is the reality. That is the fact. Do you want to put Democrats back into power when they are actively perusing policies that will destroy this country? You do realize don't you that Saddam would still be in power and Afghanistan would still be controlled by the Taliban, if Democrats were in charge. Is this what you want? The last 11 or so years of sanctions against Saddam where a complete disaster...Is a continuation of this Clinton era policy, making Saddam richer year after year with American tax payer dollars while each year, he continued to torture and kill 1000s of his own people...Is this what you wanted? That's exactly what you would have had if Saddam was still in power..and don't kid yourself, he was only a year or so away from developing a nuclear weapon. He did have strong ties with Al-Queda......And you have to realize that Al-Queda or a terrorist group like it, WOULD use an atomic weapon on American soil if they had one. That’s just basic common sense and logical reasoning. This would be the very imminent threat if a Democrat were running the country right now. Instead, the Taliban is destroyed....Al-Queda is on the run and being decimated as I type. Every terrorist country on Earth right now fears that they might be next. This is deterrence. N. Korea might be the exception to this deterrence because N. Korea is currently being ruled by a mad individual and backed by China. (Who armed China with ICBMS?). N. Korea might be inviting their own destruction for this reason, and Bush is the man who will act to do it. Would N. Korea feel any threat from a Democrat in charge?….I don’t think so. But they do know that GW is chomping at the bit to make N. Korea a historical blemish on the ass of the terrorist world. They fear Bush because they know he will act….That’s why Kim Jung Il is so eager to announce that he is a nuclear power. He’s trying to deter us, precisely because he knows the US, under the control of Bush is a threat to his health.
Now...when we examine what Bush has done on the domestic front, we see that his only real failure is that he is overly willing to give up a conservative agenda and compromise with Democrats. We see that the only rights that anyone have lost have been to potential terrorists or those killers being housed at Guantanomo Bay (who were trying to murder Americans). Even they are living in better conditions than they were….
Other civil rights have been stepped on by recent liberal Supreme court decisions, however. Now tell me what would happen of you get a liberal Democrat elected Shatoga? You'd have the Supreme court stacked with those kinds of judges, activist judges who will legislate from the bench rather than interpret the law. You wouldn’t even have compromise with things like Teddy Kennedy's school bill where Bush took out his school voucher provision in order to "get along" with Democrats. You’d just have Teddy’s bill rammed down our throats with no conservative input at all. You wouldn't even have compromise with health care system....You'd have full blown government controlled Hillary care. You wouldn't even have a threat to Clinton's assault weapons ban if Democrats were in charge...You'd have a complete gun ban altogether.
Bush has to compromise with Democrats, because we don't live in a monarchy and he can't get the conservative legislation he wants just because he wishes for it. But with Democrats in charge, there would be no compromise. We'd have an absolute socialist agenda. Terrorists in the world would feel safe...(because they would be)...and we probably wouldn't have to worry too long about the petty stuff because America itself would be taken over by our enemies. Liberal Democrats would open the door and invite them in. The UN would have sovereignty over the US constitution under the reign of liberal Democrats...because they would literally give it to the UN. We have 40 years of history to demonstrate EXACTLY what the Democrat agenda is. Heck, we have recent history.
And you have two choices Shatoga. This is reality. This is the truth of the situation. This is not fantasy....You ONLY have two choices. Either you elect these Democrats who are possessed and driven by petty evil, who are actively attempting to destroy America....or you keep a good man named George Bush in office, who is currently ridding the world of the terrorist threat, and you give him the conservative majority in congress that he needs to do the job to protect and preserve this country and it's constitution. Those are your only two choices.
I choose the later....
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Mech
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Tue Jul 15, 2003 6:19 pm
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Fart-talker chooses a LIAR.
Republicans or Democrats offer no solution when they both work for the New World Order.
But fart-Talker him self is used to LYING seeing he is not an American and hides the fact that he's CANADIAN!!!
yes...that's right folks... Check out FART-TALKERS E-MAIL ADDRESS!!!!!!!!
wizbang30@shaw.ca
So you have NO PLACE talking $#!+ about MY country @$$#0le.
Canadian Fart-talker.
I feel sorry for the Canadians. |
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Fastwalker
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Tue Jul 15, 2003 6:34 pm
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I'm not a Canadian Mech, and that's not my e-mail address.
Now how about actually addressing my comments without the name-calling. Note that I haven't addressed Shatoga as $#@#!. And I have refrained from addressing you as Moron Mech...(even though you may very well be a moron)...
Let's talk about my points. Let's talk about reality. The reality is that there are only two parties that can win in America. It's either the Republicans or the Democrats. That's just the REALITY. When you demonize Bush, or try to get him voted out, you are trying to get a Democrat elected in his place. That’s just the way it works. That’s just the REALITY....There's that word again that you seem to have so much trouble dealing with.
And speaking of lying, I sincerely doubt that you can give me one example where Bush has lied. I can't think of a single lie Bush has made. Can you provide an example of what you think he lied about Mech, and we will explore those specific accusations in detail? Remember, this is REALITY...not your fantasy world.
PS….Lulu might take issue with your slant on Canadians.
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Mech
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Tue Jul 15, 2003 6:46 pm
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Well Canadian Fart-talker you were the one posting that E-mail address at Eddies board and I checked it out...it's Canadian.
So you can't vote here so you can't affect jack $#!+.
Bush lied about WMD..that was a no-brainer.
"--The reality is that there are only two parties that can win in America.--"
Tht's merely the "accepted" reality.
Tht's not true...if our electoral system worked at all there would be several parties with equal time and an equal funding perhaps.
But this country's (not Canada's) electoral system is flawed at best and I know that is no accident.
"-- When you demonize Bush, or try to get him voted out, you are trying to get a Democrat elected in his place. --"
UHHHH NO! You are kicking him out for LYING and passing UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAWS.
Either way Canadian Fart-talker, non-citizens can't vote in U.S. elections so keep dreaming that you can.
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Fastwalker
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Tue Jul 15, 2003 6:59 pm
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Ok...give me a specific phrase Bush used to lie about WMDs....Let's see his words where you think he lied. Saddam had WMDs. Nobody questions this.
And I don't know where Eddie's board is. Someone else maybe using my handle. I'm proud to say, I not only vote in America, I voted for Bush and I voted about 3 times  to get Gray Davis kicked out of office in the re-call election here in California. They've now got around 1.6 million signatures, and it looks like it's going to work.
If you want to see what happens when you elect Democrats to power, look to California.
Oh, and Mech...are you so blinded to political reality that you don't realize that if you vote a Republican out of office, you are voting a Democrat in? That's just the reality. There are only two parties that can win in this country. Do you acknowledge this political reality?
Ok Mech....ya got me....I'm a Canadian...LOL....Ya hear that Lulu? I wonder if I live near Kelowna? Maybe we can hook up now that Mech has me living in Canada? HA HA HA HA |
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Mech
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Tue Jul 15, 2003 7:06 pm
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That's EASY...most of Bush's state of the Union address before the Iraq war was all lies.
He lied so he could get Iraqs oil and hand contracts to his campaign contributers and other illuminati elites of the global system.
Simple. Had NOTHING to do with "freedom".
No iraq is in total chaos and our soldiers are dying every day.
The new Vietnam.
I could give 2 $#!+s about Grey Davis other than the fact that I respect he went to Vietnam and most Chickenhawks who hate him never went.
I have to deal with My State Gov...thank you.
You are a Cannuck and you are listed at Eddies board in the memberhip listings.
Like I said...I feel sorry for the Canadians
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Fastwalker
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Tue Jul 15, 2003 7:40 pm
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Mech the political Genius speaks!
quote:
That's EASY...most of Bush's state of the Union address before the Iraq war was all lies.
So you said. We can see you already said this, Mech. I'm asking you to give us some specific words Bush used that you are claiming to be lies. What is it he said that you are accusing him of lying. Show us the exact words....You should know what they are because you are the one making the accusation.
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He lied so he could get Iraqs oil and hand contracts to his campaign contributers and other illuminati elites of the global system.
Where is the evidence of this, and how have you arrived at this conclusion? In your 3000 or so posts, you have yet to provide any factual evidence for this theory, yet you state something so ridicuolous as if it were fact. It doesn't even make sense from a logical or motivational standpoint (from Bush's perspective)...
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No iraq is in total chaos and our soldiers are dying every day.
And you were in the military? Who told you war was neat and pretty, and setting up a new nation happens over night? Have you ever studied history? Name for me one war in history where a nation was set up over night. Japan took 6 years, didn't it? Name for me a war in history where so few Americans died. I think we are up to a little over 200 Americans now in Gulf War II. In Vietnam, 58,202 Americans died. In WWII, around 291,557 Americans died, and Saddam was just as grave a threat as Hitler, and perhaps and even greater mass murderer. If people like you had their way, Mech, we would leave Iraq right now, and the Baath party would quickly return to power. If people like you had their way, the war in Iraq would have been totally meaningless….or even worse, Saddam would still be in power. You seem completely incapable of reaching logic conclusions for your statements, Mech. Don’t you see that every thing I’m saying here about you is the truth?
And btw, how can a Canadian like me vote in California elections and vote for Bush? Why would a Canadian like me be so familiar with California politics if I didn’t live here?
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Mech
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Tue Jul 15, 2003 7:47 pm
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I have all the evidence you need in the OTHER TRAILS threads....Most of in the Gulf War II thread and "weaponsgate" threads. Look it up.
I have no time to keep posting it ONLY to have you reject the facts over and over again just because of "party loyalty".
No...I won't cater to your fruitless request.
Anyone with a mind left would agree Bu$h is a complete liar who went to war based on lies.
Lots of Cannuks know about Gray...Farttalker.
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Fastwalker
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Tue Jul 15, 2003 7:54 pm
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quote:
Anyone with a mind left would agree Bu$h is a complete liar who went to war based on lies
So you keep saying. Give us an example of one of these lies...Can't you even think of just one? Apparently this is a pretty empty accusation if you can't even list one example. Give us one phrase that Bush uttered in a State of the Union speach that contained a lie, as you are claiming. (Must be difficult for you, since this is the third time I've asked and you don't seem capable of backing up your accusation)...If you can't say where Bush lied, or what words he said that were lies then the only conclusion we can make here is that it is Mech who is the liar. Care to try again Mech? |
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Fastwalker
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Tue Jul 15, 2003 7:57 pm
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Seeker should get a kick out of the number of Mech's latest posts....LOL
Mech
truth (lie) ammunition dept.
Northeast USA
3333 posts, Sep 2002
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Mech
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Tue Jul 15, 2003 8:00 pm
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Sorry,
You need to look elsewhere for you awnswers.
the lies are as plain as the nose on your face...but you don't care.
Hearing them AGAIN won't change your mind.
Talking to you is like clapping with one hand. |
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