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KNOW-THIS
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And yes, I said thou shall not kill as opposed to murder. Does it make a difference? It means the same damn thing either way. So I misrepresented your fictional rulebook, oops! It's because I don't respect or wish to be well versed in the right-wing propaganda anyway.
And at the same time you attempt to speak upon the behalf of atheists. As if your crude, malformed statements aren't laughable. Your ignorance of differing ideologies is as strong as mine. The difference being, I'm not ashamed to admit it. TYPICAL HYPOCRITE & CHRISTIAN SYMPATHIZER..... |
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theseeker
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Sun Aug 31, 2003 11:39 am
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And yes, I said thou shall not kill as opposed to murder. Does it make a difference?
when you get a clue and some manners come on back to the discussion... |
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KNOW-THIS
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Sun Aug 31, 2003 2:50 pm
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Manners, which commandment is that? |
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JerseyBluEyz
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Sun Aug 31, 2003 5:20 pm
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I believe what theseeker meant by manners was respect for other opinions and beliefs. I’m sure we’ve all heard of the Golden Rule - I try to live by it. Through the ages, most religions and cultures have tried to instill this ideology. I posted this list on another forum, for a different reason, but I think I’d like to use it here.
Baha’i World Faith:
Blessed is he who preferreth his brother before himself.
Buddism:
Hurt not others in ways that you would find hurtful.
Christianity:
As you wish that men would do to you, do so to them.
Confucianism:
Do not unto others what you would not have them do unto you.
Hinduism:
Do naught unto others which would cause you pain if done to you.
Islamic:
No one of you is a believer until he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself.
Jainism:
In happiness and suffering, in joy and grief, we should regard all creatures as we regard our own self.
Judaism:
That which is hateful unto you, do not impose on others.
Native American Spiritualism:
All things are our relatives; what we do to everything, we do to ourselves. All is really One.
Plato:
May I do to others as I would that they should do unto me.
Shinto:
The heart of the person before you is a mirror. See there your own form.
Sikhism:
As thou deemest thyself, so deem others.
Socrates:
Do not do to others that which would anger you if others did it to you.
Sufism:
The basis of Sufism is consideration of the hearts and feelings of others. If you haven't the will to gladden someone's heart, then at least beware lest you hurt someone's heart, for on our path, no sin exists but this.
Taoism:
Regard your neighbor’s gain as your own gain, and your neighbor’s loss as your own loss.
Thales:
Refraining from doing what we blame in others.
Wicca:
An ye harm none, do what ye will.
Yoruba (Nigeria):
One going to take a pointed stick to pinch a baby bird should first try it on himself to feel how it hurts.
Zoroastrianism:
That nature alone is good which refrains from doing unto another whatsoever is not good for itself.
And to top it all off, a quote from one of my favorite thinkers, Albert Einstein:
A human being is part of a whole, called by us the `Universe,' a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separate from the rest – a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. |
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shatoga
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Mon Sep 01, 2003 3:11 pm
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This issue was manufactured to energize the base.
"Keep 'em pissed off, keep 'em contributing to Bush's coffers!"
[Edited 1 times, lastly by shatoga on 09-01-2003] |
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FLKook
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Mon Sep 01, 2003 4:01 pm
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Maybe "they" felt it had to go more for what else was written on that monument than for the 10 commandments. The commandments simply the easy controversy...
Monumental Words
By Gary Schneeberger, CitizenLink editor
The Ten Commandments are just one part of the monument at the center of the controversy involving Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore. Take a look at what else is written there.
The Ten Commandments are unquestionably the centerpiece of the monument that's put Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore at the center of a national controversy. And they are certainly the reason that controversy erupted in the first place — the American Civil Liberties Union and other liberal pressure groups sued Moore because they didn't like God's laws on display for all to see in the Alabama judicial center.
But the Commandments are hardly the only text on the 4-by-4-foot, 5,280-pound monument that Moore commissioned with private funds and installed on Aug. 1, 2001. In addition to the Ten Commandments, etched on the top panel into stone tablets, there are a variety of quotes spotlighting the godly roots of American law.
One is from Thomas Jefferson, the founding father liberals cite as the father of the idea that a "separation of church and state" means God can't be acknowledged in the public square. Another is from the Alabama Constitution, which Moore swore to uphold when he took his oath of office. You're heard him say that removing the monument would force him to disobey his oath — you'll see below why he feels that way.
These quotes, and others like them, are often cited by Moore in arguing his case that there was a time in our nation when honoring the sovereignty of our Creator was not against the law.
FRONT PANEL
The laws of nature are the laws of God; whose authority can be superseded by no power on earth. — George Mason, 1772
Laws of nature and of nature's God — Declaration of Independence, 1776
The transcendent law of nature and of nature's God, which declares that the safety and happiness of society are the objects at which all political institutions aim, and to which all such institutions must be sacrificed. — James Madison
This law of nature, being co-eval with mankind and dictated by God Himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times: no human laws are of any validity, if contrary to this; . . . upon these two foundations, the law of nature and the law of revelation, depend all human laws; that is to say, no human laws should be suffered to contradict these. — William Blackstone
LEFT SIDE PANEL
The inclusion of God in our pledge therefore would further acknowledge the dependence of our people and our government upon the moral directions of the Creator. — Legislative History
One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. — Pledge of Allegiance, 1954
Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority of that law which is divine. — James Wilson
And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? — Thomas Jefferson
RIGHT SIDE PANEL
We, the people of the State of Alabama, in order to establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following constitution and form of government for the State of Alabama. — Constitution of Alabama
In God we trust. — National Motto 1956
O thus be it ever when freemen shall stand
between their lov'd home and the war's desolation!
Blest with vict'ry and peace may the heav'n rescued land
praise the power that hath made and preserv'd us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto — "In God Is Our Trust,"
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave. — National Anthem
BACK PANEL
Let it simply be asked, where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice? — George Washington
So help me God. — Judiciary Act of 1789
The greater part of evidence will always consist of the testimony of witnesses. This testimony is given under those solemn obligations which an appeal to the God of Truth impose; and if oaths should cease to be held sacred, our dearest and most valuable rights would become insecure. — John Jay
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shatoga
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Mon Sep 01, 2003 5:16 pm
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Moore also criticized the 11th Circuit's July 1 decision, saying it "dealt a little bit in fear tactics."
He was referring to a part of the ruling that said if Moore's arguments were adopted, "the chief justice would be free to adorn the walls of the Alabama Supreme Court's courtroom with sectarian religious murals and have decidedly religious quotations painted above the bench."
The decision's author, Judge Ed Carnes, an appointee of former President George Bush and widely regarded as a staunchly conservative jurist, went out of his way to warn Moore.
Carnes wrote that Moore's defense implies that he is not subject to the order of any federal court. Similar positions were taken by Southern segregationist governors in the 1960s, Carnes wrote.
"Any notion of high government officials being above the law did not save those governors from having to obey federal court orders," Carnes wrote, "and it will not save this chief
The American Taliban.
>religious fundamentalists, who have been trying to take over local, state, and national institutions for a long time -- almost 400 years as a matter of fact, ever since Governor William Bradford and the Puritans of Plymouth Colony...objected to non-fundamentalists taking the day off from work to observe Christmas, an event Puritans regarded as a pagan if not popish holiday.
< http://www.counterpunch.org/vest08282003.html
11th Circuit's July 1 decision
The decision's author, Judge Ed Carnes, an appointee of former President George Bush and widely regarded as a staunchly conservative jurist,< http://www.debategate.com/forums/PIC/posts/87270.html
A MANUFACTURED EVENT:
A Republican judge ruled in such manner as to energize the base.
As always the truth is buried under the Bushes.
Moore's "christian" Principles, or;
Moore hypocrisy:
>Also, during his period as a judge in the state court, he awarded custody of two minor children to a father who had been found guilty of abuse of those children rather than to the mother, based simply on the fact that the father professed to be Christian, and the mother was a practicing Wiccan.
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Professed to be a Christian, yet had abused his children.
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JerseyBluEyz
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Mon Sep 01, 2003 6:41 pm
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Shatoga:
You've said "energize the base" a few times. Can you please explain what that means? |
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shatoga
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Mon Sep 01, 2003 11:05 pm
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A standard tactic.
>GOP senators have spent the week accusing Democrats of religious bias and of flaunting the Constitution by filibustering four of the White House’s most contentious nominees - allegations the Republicans hope will stir outrage back home.
Democrats say that religion has nothing to do with it and the few nominees they are challenging have not demonstrated fitness for the appointments.
The GOP hopes that by casting Democratic opposition to the appointees as hostility to their religious anti-abortion positions will make their voters angry in a way their other arguments this year against the filibusters have not.
< http://sessions.senate.gov/headlines/pryorvote.htm
Now these truth sites are taken down as fast as they are put up.
But try a search for "GOPAC Memo on Language"
to find the Newtspeak words to be slung (see mudslinging) at opponents.
--Energize the base:
May be as simple as the NRA lying in 1992, by telling all NRA members "Clinton will take away your guns."
same lie in 2000, with Gore substituted for Clinton.
This gets most of us "gun-huggers stirred up, active and contributing to the party that tells them the lie they want to hear.
(Doesn't work with us who remember Reagan's shotgun ban and Bush the 1st's Assault weapons Ban)
--Energize the base:
Anti-abortion extremists get told candidate "X" is "for abortion on demand" instead of "is pro-choice"...
this gets those who seek to impose their religion on all others stirred up, active and contributing to any candidate who tells them the lie they want to hear.
EG last five Republican Platforms called for the "Right to Life Amendment", but the Party never even attempted to introduce it.
(tell them the lie they want to hear)
--Energize the base:
Extreme Court (majority Republican) chooses to rule that anti sodomy law are unconstitutional.
This gets homophobes stirred up, active & contributing to any avowedly homophobe candidate.
energize the base.
If they aren't scared into active campaigning and contributing, all could be lost.
Republicans typically outspend Democrats between three to one and five to one.
People who are scared of losing control contribute both time and money.
energize the base.
Like taking a stick (rightwing Federal Judges) and whacking a hornets' nest.
The effect is angry motivated swarms seeking an enemy to attack.
A brilliant RNC feeds them both the provocation and the enemy.
Watch the Movie "Wag the Dog" to fully understand neo-con productions.
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