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Deborah
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Ellyn:
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theseeker
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Tue Aug 26, 2003 3:01 pm
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no it's not...you just ain't looking...
http://www.alankeyes.com/
get a copy of his 2000 campaign platform...
guess you were in burma then...
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Molliani
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Wed Aug 27, 2003 3:14 am
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by theseeker:
[now refering to what you posted and are implying, I get it...and damn near powerless to stop it...the machine has been in place long before we got here...]
Seeker
This sounds so familiar - because I've heard it several times from my husband.
But I don't believe we were meant to sit
it the dark. Lets turn the lights on and take
a spotlight to the dark corners. It may help.
It probably wasn't the appropriate thread
to post the Noahide Laws - should have tied it in with the Alabama issue.
Oh well . . . . .
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theseeker
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Wed Aug 27, 2003 4:07 am
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But I don't believe we were meant to sit
it the dark. Lets turn the lights on and take
a spotlight to the dark corners. It may help
yes yes...but for me staying involved around my stomping grounds is the ticket...
I'm glad you posted it, never heard of it and it is always nice to pick up some extra knowledge
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shatoga
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Wed Aug 27, 2003 1:20 pm
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Highlights:
>Since neoconservatives dominate the way the U.S. government now operates, it behooves us all to understand their beliefs and goals.
Here is a brief summary of the general understanding of what neocons believe:
1. They agree with Trotsky on permanent revolution,
4. They accept the notion that the ends justify the means—that hard-ball politics is a moral necessity.
7. They believe lying is necessary for the state to survive.
8. They believe a powerful federal government is a benefit.
9. They believe pertinent facts about how a society should be run should be held by the elite...
15. They dislike and despise libertarians (therefore, the same applies to all strict constitutionalists.)
16. They endorse attacks on civil liberties, such as those found in the Patriot Act, as being necessary.
17. They unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party.<
Excerpts:
Congressman Ron Paul addresses the U.S. House of Representatives
July 10, 2003
"Neo-conned"
The modern-day, limited-government movement has been co-opted. The conservatives have failed in their effort to shrink the size of government. There has not been, nor will there soon be, a conservative revolution in Washington. Political party control of the federal government has changed, but the inexorable growth in the size and scope of government has continued unabated. The liberal arguments for limited government in personal affairs and foreign military adventurism were never seriously considered as part of this revolution.
Since the change of the political party in charge has not made a difference, who’s really in charge? If the particular party in power makes little difference, whose policy is it that permits expanded government programs, increased spending, huge deficits, nation building and the pervasive invasion of our privacy, with fewer Fourth Amendment protections than ever before?
(Paragraphs ommitted/ visit Mech's link above to read entire)
One thing is certain: conservatives who worked and voted for less government in the Reagan years and welcomed the takeover of the U.S. Congress and the presidency in the 1990s and early 2000s were deceived. Soon they will realize that the goal of limited government has been dashed and that their views no longer matter.
The so-called conservative revolution of the past two decades has given us massive growth in government size, spending and regulations. Deficits are exploding and the national debt is now rising at greater than a half-trillion dollars per year. Taxes do not go down—even if we vote to lower them. They can’t, as long as spending is increased
(Paragraphs ommitted/ visit Mech's link above to read entire)
...the true believers in limited government are now shunned and laughed at. At the very least, they are ignored—except when they are used by the new leaders of the right, the new conservatives now in charge of the U.S. government.
(Paragraphs ommitted/ visit Mech's link above to read entire)
Since 9-11, protection of privacy, whether medical, personal or financial, has vanished. Free speech and the Fourth Amendment have been under constant attack...
None of this happened by accident or coincidence. Precise philosophic ideas prompted certain individuals to gain influence to implement these plans. The neoconservatives—a name they gave themselves—diligently worked their way into positions of power and influence. They documented their goals, strategy and moral justification for all they hoped to accomplish. Above all else, they were not and are not conservatives dedicated to limited, constitutional government...
In many ways, there’s nothing “neo” about their views, and certainly nothing conservative. Yet they have been able to co-op the conservative movement by advertising themselves as a new or modern form of conservatism.
The 'meat' of the speech in one paragraph?
Here's the Beef!
>I realize that all conservatives are not neoconservatives, and all neocons don’t necessarily agree on all points—which means that in spite of their tremendous influence, most members of Congress and those in the administration do not necessarily take their marching orders from AEI or Richard Perle. But to use this as a reason to ignore what neoconservative leaders believe, write about and agitate for—with amazing success I might point out—would be at our own peril.
This country still allows open discourse—though less everyday—
and we who disagree should push the discussion and expose those who drive our policies.
It is getting more difficult to get fair and balanced discussion on the issues,
because it has become routine for the hegemons to label those who object to preemptive war and domestic surveillance as traitors, unpatriotic and un-American.<
Familiar words anyone?
>The uniformity of support for our current foreign policy by major and cable-news networks should concern every American. We should all be thankful for C-SPAN and the Internet.<
Far far more at link, by possibly the only true Conservative left in the Republican Party.
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shatoga
Joined: 23 Nov 2002
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Thu Sep 04, 2003 7:53 pm
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Confessions of a Recovering NeoCon
Since I have never written an article for LRC before, I figured I should start things off open and honest. Like an alcoholic at an A.A. meeting, I am going to stand before the group, admit my problem, and explain the attempts I am making at recovery. Again, like at an A.A. meeting, hopefully others will be able to benefit from my struggles. Without further delay...
I am a recovering neo-conservative. I’ve been clear thinking and freedom loving for 6 months now. Four years ago, when I was 16, my intellectual journey began to determine where I stood on the political spectrum. During the course of the past 4 years, I have sunk further and further into the depths of neo-conservatism and statism, only to be rescued while I still had a touch of independent thinking inside of me.
At 16, I became interested in politics due to a high school political science class I was in that stirred my interest. At home I began to discuss politics with my Dad who was a die-hard Republican. My views were shaped mainly by him. My Dad’s views had an inherent contradiction in them that led me down the wrong path. As I said, he was a die-hard Republican and supporter of neo-conservatives, but yet he also was an ardent states’ rights advocate, limited government advocate, etc. My Dad wasn’t that studied in politics so it seems he didn’t understand that there is a contradiction between limited government/states’ rights and the principles of neo-conservatism. I, therefore, didn’t know that there was a contradiction either. To the contrary, I thought that they were logically consistent.
I became a die-hard Republican like my Dad, even more so. In the months leading up to the 2000 election, even though I couldn’t vote – which devastated me – I was a Republican pawn spending all my time and efforts trying to convince others to vote "for my man dubya." I stayed up all night Election night, even though I had to work early the next morning, to see "my man dubya" win the election. Of course the next morning at work, while the election was still up in the air, I was nothing more than a mouthpiece for the Republican party. Looking back at these times, it is all very sad.
CONTINUED HERE: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/truitt1.html
>I had flags on my car, in my room, on my clothing, and I even contemplated getting a tattoo of the American flag to show my loyalty. Loyalty to the State meant so much to me. I would tear up whenever I heard the Star-Spangled-Banner or would recite the Pledge. I honestly felt that those who disagree with America’s policies were nothing but anti-Americans and should get out. "Love it or leave it!"<
This is why NeoCons are against teaching methods that encourage critical thinking.
It only takes a seed of doubt to turn someone's mind around.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by shatoga on 09-04-2003] |
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