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Earth Crystal: "--I have thought for a long time that he was also funding Usma. All this for the "Glory to Bush". It is refreshing to see that there are people still using their intellect--"
Yep, Dubya Bu$h and his daddy(opium) POPPY Bu$h's CIA Buddies orchestrated the whole thing. They funded, trained, sheperded Al Quaida, flew them out of the United States on the day of the attacks. Trained some of the alleged hijackers at the Pensacola Naval Air Station.
Wayyyy too obvious. But the way I see it they had everything to gain.
Speaking of "Christian"(sic) terrorists.
Let us PREY.
Earth,
Check theses links out.........
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_navbar.htm
then here...
http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html
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Chilling Mech.
Nostradamus described and named the 3rd and last anti-christ as MA BUS
Your picture is of two manipulators George (opium 'poppy) Bush and Ma Bush (Barbara)
flanked by two stooges: Dubya and Slick
Is it really true that behind every great man is a woman?
I don't think Barbara is the anti-christ.
But the conspiracy of elitists she may be a part of?
Possible.
My choice is still Reverend sun Yung Moon
Who has declared him and his wife to be the christ and the messiah.
Personally, I believe Barbara, her hubby, her evil sons and; slick/Hillary et al. are just stooges.
As I've posted in other topics just a few minutes ago.
Even the most knowledgebale author writing on Nostradams agrees with me, that WaBUSH can easily be MABUS:
John Hogue (whom I've argued with for almost a dozen years)
http://www.hogueprophecy.com/
>Certainly leaders bound together by a dark destiny can be mistaken as one and the same antichrist.<
>Now, for Mabus to be the American president, “gW Bus(h),”<
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They are ALL stooges. Every last one of them.
They work for the globalists. The globalists CHOOSE our leaders behind closed doors. Sherman Skolnick says that Bill Clinton is an illigitimate son of the Rockefeller family. I believe it. When you begin to understand what goes on behind closed doors at say..The Bilderberg Conferece, the CFR meetings, or the G-8 Summit...policy is dictated there and filtered down to the think tanks. The think tanks in turn (PNAC) present the "way" for the chosen leaders to follow.
This has been going on for years.
That's why the WHOLE executive branch of the Federal government has esentially commited treason and betrayed the constitution.
It aint just Shrub...lets put it that way.
By the way..did you know Marylin Qualye and "Cabin Boy" Danny were married by Sun yung Moon?
Yep.
Moon is a VERY DANGEROUS yahoo who wants armegeddon...he thinks he is Christ or something.
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Let the spammer FW bitch
(I just described FW exactly: "bitch")
since;
despite my meager attempts;
People still are unaware Moon has declared himself the Messiah,
and has also bought control of 6the leadership of at least one political party in the USA:
There is http://www.rickross.com/reference/unif/unif112.html
A bad Moon on the Rise
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>Moon claims on his Web Site http://www.unification.net
that he had great influence over Reagan. Moon claims he was the one who got Reagan to go for SDI (Star Wars). Moon claims that through the Washington Times,
a Moonie owned newspaper, that he is responsible for Bush winning the presidency in 1988.
Since than President Bush has appeared at Moonies events and endorsed the cause of the moonies. So has former president Ford. Moon has spend at least 2 Billion Dollars influencing American Politics, Christian Organizations, and the American Press.<
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2001/132/33.0.html http://www.rickross.com/reference/unif/unif112.html
>Frederick Clarkson (Eternal Hostility, Common Courage Press, 1997) reports that Moon has stated his goal is the "subjugation of the American government and population." {B}(Clarkson's source: John Judis, "Rev. Moon's Rising Political Influence: His Empire Is Spending Big Money To Try To Win Favor With Conservatives," U. S. News and World Report, March 27, 1989.)
according to former Unification church members, Moon's program to "instill discipline" included showing "Nazi films on organizing Hitler Youth."< http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/programs/categories/info/1009.html http://www.catch22.com/~vudu/moon.html
>The "Reverend" Sun Myung Moon is the leader of one of the world's most insidious and influential cults--one with an estimated $10 billion in business assets worldwide. His church controls TheWashington Times ( America's capital's second largest daily newspaper), Paragon Publishers of New York, the University of Bridgeport,the Christian Bernard jewelery chain, Happy World toy and clothing outlets, and China's Panda Motors. He also sponsors such bogus right-wing organizations as the "World Media Association" and the "International Cultural Foundation" which seek to lend legitimacy to this cult. He has hoodwinked a number of none-too-erudite politicians, scholars, and religious leaders worldwide into lending their name to his support. One, suprisingly, is none other than Rodrigo and Estrella Carazo Odio, Costa Rica's former president and first lady, who were listed as members of the "International Host Committee" who welcomed Moon during his 1993 world tour. They were in the company of such personages as Donald Reid-Cabral--the right-wing, CIA-payrolled "interim" president of the Dominican Republic who was named to that post after a US-instigated coup overthrew democratically elected president Juan Bosch in 1963. < http://www.realjournalism.net/times.htm
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there's a Bad Moon on the rise
Everything under the Moon-
Must see! link: http://www.perkel.com/politics/moonies/
>The Moonies are not your friend
The Moonies are a dangerous mind control cult with millions of followers and billions of dollars. Reverend Moon is a religous nut who is trying to take over the world. Moon openly admits that he thinks he is God and he expects to be worshipped! As you read my Washington Times exerpts from Moon's web site, you will see how deeply rooted the Moonies are in the press, the Christian evangelical movement, and the Republican Party. If you're a member of the Press, a Christian, or a Republican, this should scare the Hell out of you.<
>Moon claims on his Web Site http://www.unification.net
that he had great influence over Reagan. Moon claims he was the one who got Reagan to go for SDI (Star Wars). Moon claims that through the Washington Times,
a Moonie owned newspaper, that he is responsible for Bush winning the presidency in 1988.
Since than President Bush has appeared at Moonies events and endorsed the cause of the moonies. So has former president Ford. Moon has spend at least 2 Billion Dollars influencing American Politics, Christian Organizations, and the American Press.<
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2001/132/33.0.html http://www.rickross.com/reference/unif/unif112.html
>Frederick Clarkson (Eternal Hostility, Common Courage Press, 1997) reports that Moon has stated his goal is the "subjugation of the American government and population." {B}(Clarkson's source: John Judis, "Rev. Moon's Rising Political Influence: His Empire Is Spending Big Money To Try To Win Favor With Conservatives," U. S. News and World Report, March 27, 1989.)
according to former Unification church members, Moon's program to "instill discipline" included showing "Nazi films on organizing Hitler Youth."< http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/programs/categories/info/1009.html http://www.catch22.com/~vudu/moon.html
>The "Reverend" Sun Myung Moon is the leader of one of the world's most insidious and influential cults--one with an estimated $10 billion in business assets worldwide. His church controls TheWashington Times ( America's capital's second largest daily newspaper), Paragon Publishers of New York, the University of Bridgeport,the Christian Bernard jewelery chain, Happy World toy and clothing outlets, and China's Panda Motors. He also sponsors such bogus right-wing organizations as the "World Media Association" and the "International Cultural Foundation" which seek to lend legitimacy to this cult. He has hoodwinked a number of none-too-erudite politicians, scholars, and religious leaders worldwide into lending their name to his support. One, suprisingly, is none other than Rodrigo and Estrella Carazo Odio, Costa Rica's former president and first lady, who were listed as members of the "International Host Committee" who welcomed Moon during his 1993 world tour. They were in the company of such personages as Donald Reid-Cabral--the right-wing, CIA-payrolled "interim" president of the Dominican Republic who was named to that post after a US-instigated coup overthrew democratically elected president Juan Bosch in 1963. < http://www.realjournalism.net/times.htm
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Rev. Sun Myung Moon
Here's a guy the Republicans don't want us to know about.
The Reverend Sun Myung Moon, head of the Unification Church and a self-declared Messiah from South Korea, is a major behind-the-scenes GOP player. His organization owns The Washington Times, the right-wing newspaper Ronald Reagan once called his favorite. Moon said he has pumped over $1 billion into the paper since the Church bought it in 1982. Those poor Moonies had to sell a lot of flowers!
Most folks recognize Moon as a dangerous cult leader who has recruited, brainwashed, and enslaved thousands of unsuspecting students from college campuses since the 1970s.
They also remember the mass weddings he conducted at Yankee and RFK stadiums where thousands of couples were brought together. Critics say church officials arranged the marriages to circumvent American immigration laws.
Moon controls a multibillion dollar tax-free business empire. In the mid-1980s, he served a year in prison for tax evasion. A lesser known fact is that his business operations have competed for, and received, government contracts worth millions of dollars. No ordinary commercial operation can compete with a Moonie shop because you can't beat the low cost of slave labor.
Moon says he's the only person in the world who knows all the secrets of God. Well, isn't he smart? He says he's been the Messiah ever since he ran into Jesus in Korea in 1936. He says Jesus asked him to take over the mission -- the one Moon says Jesus screwed up because He didn't get married.
Moon continues his lifelong pursuit of recognition -- to be crowned the new world Messiah. But he has often complained, "look, I'm doing my best to be the Messiah. You try to be the Messiah." Look, Moonpie -- Jesus never bitched about it, so clam up!
Moon came to the U.S. in the early 1970s. His organization is said to be not religious, but political. It has connections to South Korean intelligence operations designed to bolster the U.S. commitment to Seoul in case North Korea invades. His clout in Washington increased substantially during the Reagan administration because both Reagan and Moon are rabid anti-Communists.
He has given millions of dollars to a number of Republicans. Paid speakers at his Family Federation for World Peace have included George Bush, William Bennett, Jack Kemp, and Ralph Reed. In the early 1990s, his organization funneled millions to Jerry Falwell's Liberty University when it was facing staggering debts.
And Moon has strange ideas about sex. He's been married four times, but his followers say the first three marriages were not consummated and thus do not count.
Moon once told a conference that misunderstandings about male and female sex organs have led to confusion. He said his theology dictates that the husband owns his wife's sex organs, and vice versa. So if my wife wants to castrate me, that's her right?
And where does he stand on family values? In 1998, his daughter-in-law, Nansook Hong, told 60 Minutes that Moon had cheated on his wife and fathered an illegitimate son. She said he called it "providential affairs." That Moon's got a fancy word for everything, especially when he's been doing something naughty.
Nansook also told of a brutal beating she got from her drug-and-alcohol-addicted husband when she was pregnant. Moon and his wife blamed her, saying it was her fate to suffer. Her fate? Well, screw that! So Nansook fled Moon's high-security compound in Tarrytown, New York, along with her five children.
Moon also has an estranged daughter, Un-Jin. She supports her sister-in-law's story.
And this guy says he's the new Messiah. Yeah, right. http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page76.html
Google Results: Moon was excommunicated from
1. Dave Shiflett on Rev. Sun Myung Moon & Religion on National ...
" ... As is well known, Moon was excommunicated from the Korean Presbyterian Church, which may have been miffed by his insistence that a failed Jesus had tapped him ... " www.nationalreview.com/shiflett/shiflett072402.asp
2. JesusJournal.com - God Gives Letter To Sun Myung Moon
" ... Moon was excommunicated from the Korean Presbyterian Church decades ago and was sentenced to 18 months in prison in the US for tax evasion in the 1980’s. ... " www.jesusjournal.com/articles/publish/article_219.html
3. CWNews: Married by Moon, Renegade Archbishop is Excommunicated
"The story on this page is Married by Moon, Renegade Archbishop is Excommunicated. ... Married by Moon, Renegade Archbishop is Excommunicated ... " www.cwnews.com/Browse/2001/05/15596.htm
4. CWNews: Cardinal Says Milingo Pressured By Moon
" ... were married by Moon in May when the archbishop denounced the Church's teaching on priestly celibacy. After the Vatican warned he would be excommunicated if he ... " www.cwnews.com/Browse/2001/08/16213.htm
5. BBC News | AMERICAS | Archbishop marries in Moon ceremony
" ... He was excommunicated in 1990 for founding the African American Catholic Congregation, which he now leads. The Rev Moon personally arranges many of the ... "
news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1355000/1355126.stm
Does truth hurt FW?
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People still are unaware Moon has declared himself the Messiah,
have you had this pre~occupation with this nut for long ?
again I ask what's the big deal ?
he's not the messiah...or the Maitreya...
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quote:
Originally posted by theseeker:
$#@#! your a lying wind bag...on top of that your bearing false witness...
earth crystal what do you base your opinion on ?
I was living in Fla. at the time of the fiasco balloting and the day the of the fall of the WTC and I live in America and I see the effects of the the decisions the President has made on his way to the big oil fields. |
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I got this from a friend in the mail...great story about a baby.....
or as mech calls them "exaggerated fetus"
A picture began circulating in November that should be "The Picture of the Year," or perhaps, "Picture of the Decade." It won't be. In fact, unless you obtained a copy of the US paper which published it, you probably will never see it.
The picture is that of a 21-week-old unborn baby named Samuel Alexander Armas, who is being operated on by a surgeon named Joseph Bruner. The baby was diagnosed with spina bifida and would not survive if removed from his mother's womb. Little Samuel's mother, Julie Armas, is an obstetrics nurse in Atlanta. She knew of Dr. Bruner's remarkable surgical procedure.
Practicing at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville, he
performs these special operations while the baby is still in the womb.
During the procedure, the doctor removes the uterus via C-section and
makes a small incision to operate on the baby.
As Dr. Bruner completed the surgery on little Samuel, the little guy
reached his tiny, but fully developed, hand through the incision and
firmly grasped the surgeon's finger. In the Time Europe article
highlighting new pregnanacy imagery that show the formation of major
organs and other significant evidence of the formation of human life
but a few days after conception, Dr. Bruner was reported as saying that
when his finger was grasped, it was the most emotional moment of his life,
and that for an instant during the procedure he was just frozen, totally
immobile. The photograph captures this amazing event with perfect clarity.
The editors titled the picture, "Hand of Hope." The text explaining the
picture begins, "The tiny hand of 21-week-old fetus Samuel Alexander
Armas emerges from the mother's uterus to grasp the finger of Dr. Joseph
Bruner as if thanking the doctor for the gift of life."
Little Samuel's mother said they "wept for days" when they saw the
picture. She said, "The photo reminds us my pregnancy isn't about
isability or an illness, it's about a little person." Samuel was born in perfect health, the operation 100 per cent successful. Now see the actual picture, and it is awesome...incredible.
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bumping for my boy mech the exaggerated fetus 
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Nooo...exaggerated ZYGOTE is what I said.
That is what a fetus is basically in its EARLY stages.
By the way..why are posting pictures of LATE TERM (21 weeks)..abortion?
Just curious.
If you are trying some psychological $#!+ on me that won't work.
Yes..it's a tragedy that abortions are sometimes necessary.
Life goes on.
Funny you don't raise an eyebrow when our corrupt government puts LIVE possibly innocent people to death constantly (especially in Texas) and you never rise an eyebrown at that.
Same old double-standard.
You love the unborn but could care less about the living.
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You love the unborn but could care less about the living.
[Edited 3 times, lastly by Mech on 06-16-2003] [/B][/QUOTE]
There are alot of live children here that die daily, hungry, homeless and lacking anyone who cares, why not take up one as a big bro or sis and help change the life of the living . Abortion sucks true, hurts the mother beyond repair at times, but to be made to have a child? I read once that in old times the punishment for murder was to be put to death but the punishment for causing a woman to lose the "fruit" of her womb was as the husband ordered, wonder where I read that?
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your a little weird crystal...no offense..
mech actually page 1 this thread...
"They are fetuses or exaggerated embryos."
so we were both wrong but I was closer !
21 weeks is on the threshold of existing outside the womb...
no psyche warfare here chief 
just the facts...life begins at conception...
In all fairness to the newbie crystal...if women had any control these days abortion would not be around at all...
I have a proposal...women who want to sleep around and have unprotected sex, have a hysterectomy....
then atleast children won't suffer because a couple of weak folks could not control their hormones...and cough up the 2 bits for a condom at the local gas station....
a little cut and paste FYI from my bad self
When does the unborn baby's heart begin to beat?
The heartbeat begins between the eighteenth and twenty-fifth day.
When does the brain begin to function?
Electrical brain waves have been recorded as early as forty days.
How early can a baby survive outside the mother's womb?
Currently, twenty weeks is considered the accepted minimum. However, this time will be reduced as medical technology continues to improve.
What about cases of rape and incest?
Pregnancy from rape is extremely rare. A study of one thousand rape victims who were treated after the rape reported no pregnancies. There are no known studies of incest cases. Medically, we know pregnancy in these cases would be rare. As reasons for legalizing abortion rape and incest are nothing more than emotional screens used by those profiting from abortion. But we must approach the victim of rape or incest with great compassion. The woman has been subjected to an ugly trauma, and she needs love, support and help. But she has been the victim of one violent act. Should we now ask her to be a party to a second violent act -that of abortion? Unquestionably, many would return the violence of killing an innocent baby for the violence of rape. But, before making this decision, remember that most of the trauma has already occurred. She has been raped. That trauma will live with her all her life. Furthermore, this girl did not report for help, but kept this to herself. For several weeks or months, she has thought of little else. Now, she has finally asked for help, has shared her upset, and should be in a supportive situation. more information
But what about the child with disease who will die a slow death or live his life as a burden to his family?
Do you believe the new "ethic" should be that we kill the suffering or burdensome? Some of these cases are tragic, some are also inspirational. We cannot assume the responsibility for killing an unborn child simply because the child has not yet been seen in public. The child's place of residence does not change what abortion does - kill a human being.
What about the population boom? We can hardly feed the people of the world now!
True, the population of the world is growing, but population is not much of a problem in the United States. With a birth every 8 seconds and a death every 11 seconds, the U.S. population is growing at less than one percent per year. (www.census.gov)
Population growth or decline compares replacement of the current number of reproductive age individuals with the number of babies being born. By this measure, the United States is now in a sharp population decline.
How can a girl give up her own baby for adoption and go through life never knowing what is happening to her child?
Which is better to remember, "I gave my baby life. And because I loved him, I gave him into the arms of a loving couple" - or to remember, "I selfishly ended my baby's life?"
http://www.abortionfacts.com/abortion/q_facts.asp
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Right to life? or right to molest and murder?
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0617obrien-main17.html
>The Arizona Republic
Jun. 17, 2003 12:00 AM
Bishop Thomas J. O'Brien, beleaguered by a sexual misconduct scandal involving clergy, was arrested Monday in connection with a fatal hit-and-run accident in Phoenix.<
>Investigators say O'Brien was behind the wheel of a tan Buick Park Avenue that struck and killed Jim L. Reed, 43, at 8:35 p.m. Saturday on Glendale Avenue just west of 19th Avenue.
According to Maricopa County Superior Court records, O'Brien did not contact police about the accident after a fellow priest informed him Sunday night that detectives were looking for him and the vehicle. On Monday morning, the bishop made phone inquiries about replacing his damaged windshield before police confronted him.<
>The front end of O'Brien's car was damaged on the passenger side and the windshield was concaved and fractured. Reed is listed as 6 feet tall and 235 pounds.< http://www.azcentral.com/specials/special16/articles/0504priests041.html
>O'Brien told The Republic in November that at least 50 priests, former priests and church employees were accused of molesting children in the past 30 years. He refused to identify them, citing privacy concerns.<
--so much for the sanctity of Mr. Reed's life!--
Florida
>June 10, 2003
U.S. anti-abortion activist charged with molesting 15-year-old girl
PENSACOLA, Fla. (AP) -- An associate of two men who murdered abortion doctors in the 1990s was arrested Tuesday on charges he molested a 15-year-old girl at a home he operates.
State troopers arrested John Burt, 65, at a rest stop about 275 kilometres east of Pensacola.
Burt runs Our Father's House, a home for troubled girls and women and investigators said they are seeking other potential victims at the home.
Burt was convicted of resisting arrest in 1986 when he pushed his way into an abortion clinic and broke equipment. He was sentenced to 141 days of time served.
In 1993, Burt was leading a protest at a Pensacola abortion clinic when Michael Griffin, who had volunteered at Our Father's House, fatally shot Dr. David Gunn.
Burt was with Paul Hill in 1994 when Hill photographed an abortion doctor he later shot and killed. Hill was convicted of murdering Dr. John Bayard Britton and his bodyguard, James Barrett and received a death sentence.
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they excise these truth pages from the internet quickly http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:Xbg0niwhTBMJ:www.canoe.ca/WorldTicker/CANOE-wire.Anti-Abortion-Molester.html+anti+abortion+activist+charged+with+molesting&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 www.tcpalm.com/tcp/state_news/0,1651,TCP_1021,00.html www.wear3.com/news/Stories/June/ 0610/johnburt0610.shtml
Matthew 7
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Link to hundreds of American cases of "Right to Life" leaders who were child molesters.
http://www.yourlawyer.com/practice/panews.htm?parea=Other%20Topics
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Tue Jun 17, 2003 3:53 pm
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hebrews 11:11
jerk |
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shatoga
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Wed Jun 18, 2003 6:09 am
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quote:
Originally posted by theseeker:
hebrews 11:11
jerk
$eeker;
self described as a jerk;
proves his description accurate by quoting a totaly innocuous scripture:
Hebrews 11
11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
How that justifies child molestation and murder is unclear: "jerk"
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