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Mech
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Getting PERSONAL now are we?
Glad to see you are getting an education Seeker...Otherwise you wouldn't be attacking me as relentless s you are.
You know someone is desperate when they are resorting to slander.
The CDC.? OH!!!! You mean the CENTER FOR DISEASE MANIPULATION AND EUGENICS??
Yeah. I know where their funding comes from.
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theseeker
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Sat Dec 21, 2002 9:44 am
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Mech
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Sat Dec 21, 2002 10:04 am
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Sorry....I just don't have complete trust and faith in the system as you do. |
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Mech
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Sat Dec 21, 2002 2:47 pm
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SMALLPOX VACCINE INEFFECTIVE...MAY ONLY PROTECT AGAINST ONLY ONE FORM OF SMALLPOX....MAY DO MORE HARM THAN GOOD.
Original Link: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20021220-39478814.htm
A public campaign of vaccination against smallpox is unsafe and unnecessary, according to new reports released yesterday, and many U.S. health care workers and some hospitals say they will not participate in voluntary immunization programs because of the risks.
"We cannot endorse a public vaccination campaign at this time because the certainty of harm outweighs the small chance of net benefit," a team headed by Sam Bozzette of the Rand Corp. wrote in a New England Journal of Medicine report made available yesterday. It was one of two reports released by the journal that reached that conclusion.
The articles were distributed a week after President Bush announced an initiative of mandatory smallpox inoculation for 500,000 U.S. troops and voluntary vaccinations for at least that many emergency health care workers and members of smallpox-response teams. The plan attempts to help protect them, in the event that the smallpox virus is used as a bioterror weapon.
Mr. Bush said last week that the federal government will make the vaccine available to the public on a voluntary basis. But he stressed that the government will not be recommending that the public receive pre-attack immunization because vaccination can cause death and severe illness in some cases.
Studies from the 1960s show that of every 1 million first-time vaccine users, 15 will suffer life-threatening complications and that one or two will die. A Heritage Foundation policy paper noted that about 300 people would die if the whole country were inoculated.
In the other report released yesterday by the journal, Thomas Mack, a smallpox specialist at the University of Southern California, said smallpox transmission can be stopped by isolating the victim and quickly vaccinating caregivers.
Mr. Mack estimates that no more than 15,000 people would need to be vaccinated if the United States sets up National Guard field hospitals for smallpox patients and those who have come in direct contact with them.
"A terrorist introduction of smallpox could produce a short outbreak of cases of death, but the current vaccine policy will provide little protection. The cost in deaths from vaccine complications will outweigh any benefits," he wrote.
The U.S. military inoculated more than 150 people against smallpox during the past week, but about 100 were exempted for medical reasons, the Pentagon told the Associated Press yesterday.
In the first five days of the military program, 276 persons were screened for the vaccine, with 102 exempted for medical reasons, said Dr. William Winkenwerder Jr., assistant secretary of defense for health affairs.
Meanwhile, emergency health care workers say they want answers to "unanswered questions" about the president's recommendation that they undergo voluntary vaccination against smallpox.
Among those asking questions are the American College of Emergency Physicians, the American Nurses Association (ANA), members of some hospital associations, and, in some cases, hospitals themselves.
"Smallpox is a highly contagious disease, and many hospital workers are concerned about [accidentally infecting] their patients" after being vaccinated with the live virus, said Jim Lott, executive director of the Los Angeles-based Hospital Association of Southern California.
"We're getting a large number of anecdotal reports from hospitals in this area that employees are not reacting warmly to the offer of voluntary smallpox vaccinations. Hospitals are hotbeds for contagion, and this is one more contagion we do not need," Mr. Lott said.
Many doctors and nurses, who would be among the first to treat smallpox patients in an attack, also are wary of receiving the vaccine. "There are still many unanswered questions. For example, there needs to be a risk-benefit analysis to compare the risks of a mass [smallpox] vaccination program and the potential of a terrorist attack" using smallpox, said Dr. Brian Hancock, president-elect of the American College of Emergency Physicians.
But Dr. Hancock said doctors need to know the risks of the vaccine to those who receive it and to "immunosuppressed patients" they treat, such as patients infected with HIV and those who have undergone organ transplants.
"If there is ever a smallpox attack, those patients will be in our laps," Dr. Hancock said, referring to emergency physicians. "But until we get answers to the questions we're asking, we have stopped short of recommending mandatory [smallpox] vaccinations" for those in emergency medicine, he said.
Jim Bentley, a senior vice president of the American Hospital Association, says he knows of two hospitals that don't plan to offer staff vaccinations — Grady Memorial Hospital in Atlanta and Virginia Commonwealth University's medical center in Richmond.
"It is difficult to support the decision to vaccinate hospital personnel when there has been no case of smallpox for 30 years and when there's a large probability" that vaccinated workers could transmit disease to patients, Dr. Richard Wenzel, chairman of the Richmond hospital's infectious disease department, told the Associated Press.
Mary Jean Schumann, director of nursing practice and policies for the ANA, said she raised questions about vaccine risks and liability in a letter she sent last month to Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy G. Thompson. "We haven't heard anything" from him, she said.
Ms. Schumann said there is a big concern about liability, should a hospital employee become sick from the vaccine. "The only recourse an employee would have for an adverse reaction would be to file workmen's compensation, which, of course, affects the hospital."
THAT'S OK...JUST MAKE IT ILLEGAL TO SUE.....RIGHT BUSH?
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theseeker
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Sun Dec 22, 2002 12:28 am
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"Smallpox is a highly contagious disease, and many hospital workers are concerned about [accidentally infecting] their patients" after being vaccinated with the live virus, said Jim Lott, executive director of the Los Angeles-based Hospital Association of Southern California.
small-pox vaccine is not even made from the small pox virus....those people should be fired....
my gosh mech you'll believe anything won't choo ? what a joke your evolving into...
http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/smallpox/overview/faq.asp#vaccinia
bush took the vaccine today mech...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23019-2002Dec21.html
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Sun Dec 22, 2002 12:34 am
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Sun Dec 22, 2002 12:35 am
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I marvel at your inability to read. You seem to remember aspects of an article only when it suits your agenda.
Bush "took the vaccine" ? I don't know if that's true. For all we know it could have been sugar water or brine.
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Sun Dec 22, 2002 7:49 pm
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The argument so far is BS,the fact is that smallpox is a threat.How do we know in advance about the possibility of a smallpox attack?We did'nt have a clue about 9/11,or any other act of terrorism?What happened to anthrax?"It's a inside job people",the anthrax was'nt virulent enough so now it's Small pox they are switching to.Bush was first in line for cipro and now he's first in line for the smallpox vaccine. |
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theseeker
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Mon Dec 23, 2002 9:00 am
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it's all on page 2 emfx...read it again when you come down a bit...being prepared is the semi "new" thinking...a good idea...I assure you no one will have to take the smallpox vaccine unless some al-queer-da fundi-muslim-radical-towel head-nutcase opens up a canister of aerosolized smallpox...in some mall or subway...but if they do...I guarrantee ya people will be...dying to take it...
images of people infected with smallpox :
those are the one's I could stomach posting....
link for pic's :
http://allsouthwest.com/library/disease/Small%20Pox/smallpox%20images/
some links about the bioterrorism aspect :
http://www.bact.wisc.edu:81/ScienceEd/discuss/msgReader$46
http://www.state.sd.us/homeland/bio/smallpox.htm
http://www.disastercenter.com/terror/0_Small_Pox.htm
http://www.legalconsumerguide.com/world_trade_center/anthrax/smallpox_faq.html
how the vaccine works :
The practice of vaccination caught on quickly and by 1800 most of Europe had the technique in hand. It is generally noted in the historical texts that Jenner did not discover vaccinations, but rather, was the first to use the science of vaccination to attempt to control an infectious illness. (Barquet and Domingo, 1997) His diligent work brought him recognition around the world and the global fight against smallpox took hold. Modern vaccines against smallpox do not use cowpox as the antigen. They use a third poxvirus, vaccinia, which is related to cowpox and smallpox, yet is a distinct species (Ellner, 1998). This vaccine works as others do, by stimulating the body to produce antibodies against the invading viral antigens without itself producing illness. The individual is then protected when the disease causing and closely related virus enters the body and the pre-existing antibodies are able to destroy it before it can replicate.
what scares ya more those pic's above or the vaccine ?
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Mon Dec 23, 2002 11:42 am
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Seeker....take the flippin vaccine already!!!
If you REALLY think its going to protect you against a strain of unknown smallpox that the vaccine will have no effect on be my guest. |
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Mech
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Anti-terror smallpox jabs leave dozens ill
London Times
http://www.prisonplanet.com/102703smallpoxjabs.html
A SCHEME to vaccinate 700 key military and National Health Service staff against a smallpox bio-terrorist attack has stalled after dozens of them suffered adverse effects and two were hospitalised.
About 400-500 staff have had the injections, intended to create a group of personnel who could be sent into areas hit by the infectious and lethal virus.
The Health Protection Agency and the Ministry of Defence (MoD), which each planned to vaccinate 350 staff, this weekend said they had enough employees immunised to cope with any foreseeable attack.
Others disagreed. Colonel Bob Stewart, the army officer who sprang to prominence in the Bosnian war and who has had extensive training in biowarfare, said: "This is totally inadequate. How could any commander deal with a biological attack and all the resulting panic with just a few hundred people? What if there were several attacks?" Details of the problems emerged at a scientific conference on smallpox in Geneva, where Nigel Lightfoot, head of the Health Protection Agency's emergency response team, revealed that he had been one of those to suffer side effects including headaches and fever.
He told last week's conference that only 263 NHS staff had been vaccinated. Many had suffered side effects, he said, two of them seriously enough to be taken to hospital, one with suspected encephalitis. Both had since recovered.
The MoD confirmed that the number of its staff who had been vaccinated was well below the 350 envisaged by John Hutton, the health minister, in an announcement last December. "We are satisfied we have got enough people vaccinated to deal with any situation," it said.
The vaccine used on the NHS and military staff was taken from stocks built up 30 years ago rather than from the new generation of immunisations now available. This is because although the old vaccine has side effects for some people, the risks are known and can be monitored - whereas the new versions are relatively unknown and are considered safe only for large-scale use in emergencies.
Lightfoot said Britain had recently acquired enough doses of the new vacccine, in addition to its 30-year-old stockpile, for the whole country to be treated in case of an outbreak.
"We are now in a state of preparedness," he said, adding that he had conducted three exercises, most recently a simulated chemical attack in London. "The exercises were very useful, we learnt about the difficulty of getting the vaccine to a city quickly and the problem of transporting specimens."
Of all the biological agents that can be deployed in a terrorist attack, smallpox is generally thought to have the greatest potential to cause widespread harm. When the disease, which kills 30% of sufferers, was eradicated worldwide in 1979, it was hailed as the greatest public health achievement of the 20th century.
Since the September 11 attacks there have been growing fears that rogue states such as North Korea or terrorist groups including Al-Qaeda may have procured illegal smallpox stocks to launch the first bio-terror attack on Britain.
America has also had vaccine problems. Half a million military personnel have been vaccinated for smallpox, but plans to immunise 500,000 civilian medical staff stalled after only 38,000 jabs for fear of adverse side effects. |
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