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White House - AP Cabinet & State
Flight 93 Families Dispute FBI's Theory
Fri Aug 8, 4:46 PM ET Add White House - AP Cabinet & State to My Yahoo!
By TED BRIDIS, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - Families of passengers who rebelled against hijackers aboard United Airlines Flight 93 said Friday the FBI (news - web sites) theory that the terrorists deliberately crashed the plane into a Pennsylvania field was based on "limited and questionable interpretations" of the cockpit recording.
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The theory — described by FBI Director Robert Mueller and disclosed deep within a congressional report on the Sept. 11 attacks — suggests insurgent passengers may not have successfully fought their way into the cockpit and grappled to seize the plane's controls, as has been popularly perceived.
"Without a doubt, the passengers breached the cockpit," said Randall Greene of New York, whose brother Donald, a pilot of smaller aircraft, was onboard. "I'm surprised by the theory attributed to the FBI director that the passengers did not take control of the aircraft."
In a joint statement by Families of Flight 93, relatives said they believe the passenger revolt primarily was responsible for the crash. U.S. officials have said they believe the hijackers intended to fly the Boeing 757 into the White House.
"Until someone can produce specific translations of these tapes that are more than theory then it appears there is sufficient evidence to support the heroic acts of the passengers and crew in bringing Flight 93 down," the families said.
The FBI has steadfastly maintained that its analysis isn't conclusive and doesn't detract from the heroism demonstrated by passengers, who are believed to have rushed down the airliner's narrow aisle to try to overwhelm the four hijackers.
In phone calls from the plane, four passengers said they and others decided to fight the hijackers after learning of the attacks on the World Trade Center in New York that morning.
But the suggestion from the government that the hijackers in the cockpit decided to crash the plane — though under pressure from defiant passengers in the cabin — appears at odds with what families of some passengers have come to believe.
"I don't think the FBI got it right, what happened," said Tom Crowley of Atlanta, whose niece's husband, Jeremy Glick, died aboard the flight. He said Glick's widow, Lyzbeth, was among family members permitted last year to listen to the cockpit recording and she believes she heard Glick delivering a judo strike to one hijacker.
"No question, any family member who listened to the tape will tell you the same thing, that they (passengers) were in the cockpit," said Crowley, who urged the government to make the recording public.
The plane went down far from the White House, in a field near the rural town of Shanksville, Pa. All 33 passengers, seven crew members and the four hijackers died.
The cockpit recording was played privately in April 2002 for family members of victims, and the FBI also provided them with its best effort at producing an understandable transcript.
"In the cockpit! In the cockpit!" the passengers were heard yelling, according to Alice Hoglan of Los Gatos, Calif., who listened to the recording. Her son, Mark Bingham, died in the crash. She said the recording and a transcript the FBI provided to her and other families "doesn't leave very much doubt at all that passengers were able to get that cockpit door open."
Hoglan said the FBI's transcript quotes one hijacker after fighting breaks out in the cabin asking another hijacker in the cockpit in Arabic, "Finish her/it now?" She said she believed they were discussing whether to crash the plane. The response from the second hijacker, she remembered, was either "wait" or "not now."
Some family members indicated after hearing the tape that they were led to believe that passengers used a food cart as a shield and broke into the cockpit.
Hoglan said the hijackers inside the cockpit are heard yelling "No!" at the sound of breaking glass — presumably from the food cart — and that the final spoken words on the recorder seemed to be an inexplicably calm voice in English instructing, "Pull it up."
She said the English voice toward the end of the recording was so distinct that she believes it's evident the speaker was inside the cockpit.
Citing transcripts of the still-unreleased cockpit recordings, Mueller told congressional investigators in a closed briefing last year that, minutes before Flight 93 hit the ground, one of the hijackers "advised Jarrah to crash the plane and end the passengers' attempt to retake the airplane."
Ziad Jarrah is thought to have been the terrorist-pilot because he was the only of the four hijackers aboard known to have a pilot's license.
The chief executive of a foundation named for Todd M. Beamer, the passenger from New Jersey who said "Let's roll" just before the passengers revolted, said the FBI analysis doesn't diminish the heroism of the passengers. He said he had not spoken to Beamer's widow, Lisa, about the analysis, but said family members know "their loved ones on board did not sit idly by. There was a consensus to act."
"The result is that the terrorists failed in their attempt, and I truly believe the passengers had some role in that," Douglas A. MacMillan said.
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I have my suspicions on what happened, I'm thinking more along the lines of the possibility that control was regained and then shot down by a jet. But I wont go as far as mech and claim that it was shot down over a secret underground base,.
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the professor
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Sat Aug 09, 2003 3:43 am
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Mech
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Sat Aug 09, 2003 6:07 am
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I just LOVE the FBI/CIA lies they are putting out in the media lately. Its too obvious!
IF the hijackers were hoping to hit the White House, HOW COME there were FBI agents who came running out of the woods next to the crash site of Flight 93 within the first ten minutes after the plane hit the ground? The only way the FBI could have had agents in the woods waiting for the plane to crash was if the FBI KNEW beforehand that the plane was supposed to crash in that spot in Pennsylvania.
Eye witnesses at the crash site said there were markers on the ground at the crash site that the FBI were cleaning up.
Those that saw what the FBI was doing were asked to "keep quiet".
Personally..I think there was something there TPTB wanted to destroy. Some type of complex.
The destruction of the naval intel computer systems t the pentagon and the supercomputers inside the WTC were not destroyed unintentionally either
It was not "crashed" by hijackers.
Those planes were guided with prescision.
Most likely everyone on board was already dead.If there was anyone on board.
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Sat Aug 09, 2003 6:16 am
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From some of the news accounts that I read from some of the families of the victims there was a rushing wind sound on the black box recordings which leads on to conclude that there was a hole in the jet, possibly fired upon by another. The black box tapes were basically edited because it would be too much trauma for people to hear was why they were never aired publicly or at least thats what was said. I don't think however it's possible to shoot a jet down over an area so it crashes into a target. 6 witnesses said they all saw what looked like a white unmarked F16 fly over the crash site almost immediately after it happened. |
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the professor
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Wed Nov 05, 2003 5:10 am
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An oldy but a goody, I'm still trying to get over the plane being shot down and as it was crashing towards the earth it was somehow aimed at a secret target on the ground. I bet any money Bush was flying the fighter that fired at the passenger airliner that morning. |
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