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My thoughts? Frankly, I’m 50/50 on HIS assessment - that’s why I did not give my point of view. And you know me, when I have an opinion I give one – heh, heh. I agree that he went a bit overboard, but he did make some valid points and asked some good questions. I thought some of the pictures were interesting, especially the ones showing the lights and antennae. There were a couple of links to good articles I had not read before. My FAVORITE part was the chuckle he gave re: a possible “obedient citizen” turning him in if he cut the cable away from the sign to look at it. That was too funny.
But, just like everything in life, the security camera issue can work both ways - for us or against us. If they are used to provide on-demand traffic reports – that would be a blessing for travelers. On the other hand, what better way is there to “watch” the comings and goings of citizens? Route 80 is the only Interstate that connects the east and west coasts. I think it would be the perfect place to test a Big Brother surveillance project of this type. Especially if, let’s say, that area has underground military facilities and they need to keep certain things under wraps?! If they really wanted to use a camera type system for traffic reporting, couldn’t they just use satellites??? I don't know. |
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Chick:
I just posted a response to you twice I think??? For some reason this thread is giving me a hard time - like it did last night. I can't view the end of the thread where my post supposedly is - and it won't refresh. I've even exited CTC completely and re-entered. I give up. I'll repost again tomorrow if I have to.
Board Moderators - what's going on with this thread? Is it getting too large? If there is a duplicate reply, can you delete one. Also there is a double post at the top of this page too. Thanks!
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Thanks, JBE!
Good logic as ever!
Yes, technology can be used for beneficial and power-based purposes both! Does this mean we need to sacrifice the beneficial because of the fear of possible evil? Hmmm?
Well, time will tell, I guess!
I still have faith that the "people" will be able to control the possible fascist uses of technology and have the foresight to prevent certain technologies from their use at all!
This guy really should have done more homework before posting on the net!
"The sky is falling" mentality doesn't do much if it's not backed-up by facts!
I know you agree!
Like your gold ring, there, JBE!!!
Stay cool,
bc 
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More Social Control
PENTAGON FIELDING ELECTROMAGNETIC CROWD DISPERSAL WEAPON
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By Frank Morales
"The Marine Corps is on the verge of unveiling perhaps the biggest breakthrough in weapons technology since the atomic bomb: a nonlethal weapon that fires directed energy at human targets."
"I have nothing to hide. This is a good news story. Our American public needs to understand that we have done our homework." - Col. George Fenton, Director, Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate, Department of Defense, Marine Corps Times, March 5, 2001 (1)
In a neatly calculated "unveiling" of weapons designed for social control, for use against civilians and the suppression of dissent, the Pentagon has gone "transparent" with the latest in electronic weapons technology which targets people. At a selective press briefing for congressional and military leaders this past March 1st, Pentagon officials stated they were "developing a new non-lethal weapon which uses electromagnetic energy to cause a burning sensation on the skin" (Reuters, 3/1/01). The "biggest breakthrough in weapons technology since the atomic bomb" is none other than the so-called "Vehicle-Mounted Active Denial System" or VMADS. According to the March 5th issue of the Marine Corps Times, (cited above) in an article entitled, "The People Zapper: This new secret weapon doesn't kill, but it sure does burn", the "VMADS system is the first non-lethal, directed energy weapon designed specifically for use against humans." The weapon "focuses energy into a beam of micromillimeter waves designed to stop an individual in his tracks." Powered by electricity, it would ultimately "be powered by the modified Humvee on which it would be mounted."
According to the Marine Corps Times report, the projected energy "which falls near microwaves on the electromagnetic spectrum, causes the moisture in a person's skin to heat up rapidly, creating a burning sensation, similar to a hot light bulb pressed against one's flesh." The microwaves, "whose exact length, frequency and amplitude are classified, cause water molecules in the skin cells to vibrate." Presumably, "when used as directed - that is, briefly - the weapon causes no long-term problems". Meanwhile, "the amount of time the weapon must be trained on an individual to cause permanent damage or death is classified." Studies of long-term effects of "the VMADS system" have been completed, according to the report, but "the findings have not been released publicly." It should be noted that the Joint Chiefs of Staff major policy directive in the area of non-lethal weapons, DoD Directive 3000.3, which is currently under revision, calls for these weapons to have a built-in "rheostatic" (ie. "tunable") capability.
The Marine report states that, "the need for a nonlethal means for stopping an aggressor is a direct response to today's world of unknown enemies where small numbers of troops find themselves facing off against large crowds of civilians." And while "weapons that fire lasers, electricity and sound waves have been in development for years", "not since the advent of gun-powder and the splitting of the atom have armies seen such a leap in technology." The range of the electromagnetic weapon "remains classified" but project officials "expect it will exceed 750 meters" (2250') allowing the Marines to "engage a crowd from afar, directing two-second bursts of energy without risk of being overcome by the mob." The "mob", the target of the directed beam, cooking in 130 degree heat, "would immediately experience intense pain, causing confusion and driving the crowd to disperse." And while "the intention is not to burn the skin", "those hit by the beam begin to feel intense heat" during "potential applications" which include "urban operations." And finally, while "the Defense Department has spent nearly $40 million over ten years to develop the technology...budget predictions from last year...show another $26 million could be needed for development over the next five years." The primary contractor for the current VMADS $16 million project is Raytheon Missile Systems.
Deeper Unveiling
Turns out that while the Marines expect to be microwaving people, it was the Air Force that developed the "technology" in the first place. On February 22, 2001 the United States Air Force Research Laboratory, located at Kirtland Air Force Base, New Mexico, issued it's own news release announcing that "a breakthrough technology designed to project an energy beam that drives away adversaries without injuring them, is now undergoing advanced testing." (2) According to the Air Force, the projected energy "beam" travels "at the speed of light" and penetrates "1/64 of a inch into the skin", rapidly heating up the skin's surface, causing the "subject", within seconds, to "feel pain that stops when the transmitter is shut off or when the subject moves out of the beam." According to the news release, the weapon was developed by two Air Force Research Laboratory teams: one from it's Directed Energy Directorate at Kirtland, the other from it's Human Effectiveness Directorate, located at Brooks Air Force Base, Texas. The learned team leaders, Lt. Col.Chuck Beason and Dr. Kirk Hackett noted, in reference to the new EM weapon, that "the effect exploits a natural defense mechanism - pain - that has evolved to protect the human body from damage."
The Air Force Research Laboratory - Directed Energy Directorate, in addition to developing "high powered electromagnetic weapons and countermeasures" also develops "moderate and high power laser devices". (3) In fact, recently (2/212/01), the public affairs office of the Airborne Laser System Program Office, located at Kirtland, AFB, announced that "Lockheed Martin Space Systems will open an $8 million, 16,000 square-foot optical test centerdesigned to analyze the beam guidance system for the U.S. Air Force's Airborne Laser, the world's first combat aircraft armed with a directed energy weapon." (4) Meanwhile, the Space Vehicles Directorate - Air Force Research Laboratory, "develops technologies to support evolving warfighter requirements to control and exploit space." (5) This past November, Kirtland AFB was the site of the 3rd Annual Directed Energy Symposium entitled, Directed Energy for the 21st Century, presented by the Directed Energy Professional Association, in cooperation with the Office of the Secretary of Defense. (6)
The VMADS system is currently being tested in field conditions by the Air Force at Kirtland, AFB. At the New Mexico site, "they are using a transmitter that sends a narrow beam of energy to a test subject hundreds of yards away." It is reassuring to note that "all testing is being conducted with strict observance of the procedures, laws and regulations governing animal and human experimentation". In addition, "the tests have been reviewed and approved by the Air Force Surgeon General's Office and are conducted by the Air Force Research Laboratory's Human Effectiveness Directorate." Finally, "although testing is expected to continue in this summer (2001), officials have begun examining the technology for use on a vehicle-mounted version. Future versions might also be used on board planes and ships." (7)
Col. George Fenton, director of the US Marine operated NLW program firmly believes in the safety of this "revolutionary force protection technology." He recently stated that "humans have been exposed more than 6,000 times in testing, all inside the laboratory (and that) no long term effects have been detected." Given that track record, Fenton believes that "the technology could move into the acquisition phase of making a prototype as soon as this summer (2001), when the project would be taken over by the Air Force's Electronic Systems Center at Hanscom Air Force Base, Mass., near Boston." (8)
Finally, on-cue the New York Times joined in on the "unveiling", heralding "what some military officials hope will become the rubber bullet of the 21st century: a weapon that uses electromagnetic waves to disperse crowds without killing, maiming or, military officials say, even injuring anyone slightly." (9) Not even slightly! After all, notes the Times, they are only "intended to influence motivational behavior." According to free lance writer/researcher David Guyatt, "less than lethal anti-personnel weapons, especially some classes of EM weapons that are viewed as having a capability to remotely modify behavior or attack higher functions, are seen in some influential quarters as being the ideal remedy for future domestic disturbances...", wherein, the forces of repression will target the opposition, "armed with innovative technological weapons that do not necessarily kill but which render disenfranchised segments of society physically inactive, emotionally stupefied and incapable of meaningful thought" (10)
Sound farfetched? Back in 1986, Marine Corps Captain Paul E. Tyler, author of an influential study entitled, "The Electromagnetic Spectrum in Low-Intensity Conflict" (11) was already making the point that "the potential applications of artificial electromagnetic fields are wide ranging and can be used in many military or quasi - military situations" including "crowd control". At that time he pointed out that although scientists hadn't identified electromagnetism for what it really was until the eighteenth century, "the results of many studies that have been published in the last few years indicate that specific biological effects can be achieved by controlling the various parameters of the electromagnetic (EM) field." And further, "many of the clinical effects of electromagnetic radiation (have) been reported in the literature to induce or enhance the following effects (including) electroanesthesia behavior modification in animals, altered electroencephalograms in animals and humans, altered brain morphology in animals, altered firing of neuronal cells."
According to Capt. Tyler, "a 1982 Air Force review of biotechnology had this to say: Currently available data allow the projection that specially generated radio frequency radiation (RFR) fields may pose powerful and revolutionary antipersonnel military threats. Electroshock therapy indicates the ability of induced electric current to completely interrupt mental functioning for short periods of time, to obtain cognition for longer periods and to restructure emotional response over prolonged intervals." Further, "experience with electroshock therapy, RFR experiments and the increasing understanding of the brain as an electrically mediated organ suggested the serious probability that impressed electromagnetic fields can be disruptive to purposeful behavior and may be capable of directing and or interrogating such behavior", while "the passage of approximately 100 milliamperes through the myocardium can lead to cardiac standstill and death, again pointing to a speed-of-light weapons effect."
Endnotes
1. Marine Corps Times, "The People Zapper: This new secret weapon doesn't kill, but it sure does burn", C. Mark Brinkley, March 5, 2001, pg.10.
2. United States Air Force, Air Force Research Laboratory, News Release, Office of Public Affairs, "New Technology Drives Away Adversaries", February 22, 2001. http://www.de.afrl.af.mil/pa/releases/2001/01-09.html
3. Air Force Research Laboratory, Kirtland AFB, New Mexico, Directorate descriptions, http://www.afrl.af.mil/techconn/directorate_descriptions.htm
4. United States Air Force, Airborne Laser System Program Office, Office of Public Affairs, "Airborne Laser Optical Facility Opens", February 21, 2001. http://www.de.afrl.af.mil/pa/releases/2001/01-06.html
5. Air Force Research Laboratory, Directorate descriptions (above)
6. Directed Energy for the 21st Century, 3rd Annual Directed Energy Symposium, Preliminary Program and Registration, Kirtland Air Force Base, White Sands Missile Range, 30 October - 3 November 2000.
7. Air Force Research Laboratory, "New technology Drives Away Adversaries" 2/22/01 (above)
8. Marine Corps Times, 3/5/01 (above)
9. New York Times, "Pentagon Unveils Plans for a New Crowd-Dispersal Weapon", James Dao, March 2, 2001.
10. David G. Guyatt, "Some Aspects of Antipersonnel Electromagnetic Weapons", February 1996. http://www.adacomp.net/~mcherney/aspects.html
11. Capt. Paul E. Tyler, MC, USN, "The Electromagnetic Spectrum in Low-Intensity Conflict", in, LtCol. David J. Dean, USAF, Editor, Low-Intensity Conflict and Modern Technology, Air University Press, Alabama, June 1986. http://www.adacomp.net/~mcherney/mn142a.htm
Frank Morales is an Episcopal priest and independent researcher active on Manhattan's Lower East Side. His articles on paramilitary policing, "Homeland Defense" and U.S. Military "Civil Disturbance" planning have appeared in Covert Action Quarterly.
Copyright 2001 Frank Morales. All rights reserved.
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Boomer Chick
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Thu Nov 06, 2003 7:38 am
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More Social Control
PENTAGON FIELDING ELECTROMAGNETIC CROWD DISPERSAL WEAPON
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By Frank Morales
"The Marine Corps is on the verge of unveiling perhaps the biggest breakthrough in weapons technology since the atomic bomb: a nonlethal weapon that fires directed energy at human targets."
"I have nothing to hide. This is a good news story. Our American public needs to understand that we have done our homework." - Col. George Fenton, Director, Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate, Department of Defense, Marine Corps Times, March 5, 2001 (1)
In a neatly calculated "unveiling" of weapons designed for social control, for use against civilians and the suppression of dissent, the Pentagon has gone "transparent" with the latest in electronic weapons technology which targets people. At a selective press briefing for congressional and military leaders this past March 1st, Pentagon officials stated they were "developing a new non-lethal weapon which uses electromagnetic energy to cause a burning sensation on the skin" (Reuters, 3/1/01). The "biggest breakthrough in weapons technology since the atomic bomb" is none other than the so-called "Vehicle-Mounted Active Denial System" or VMADS. According to the March 5th issue of the Marine Corps Times, (cited above) in an article entitled, "The People Zapper: This new secret weapon doesn't kill, but it sure does burn", the "VMADS system is the first non-lethal, directed energy weapon designed specifically for use against humans." The weapon "focuses energy into a beam of micromillimeter waves designed to stop an individual in his tracks." Powered by electricity, it would ultimately "be powered by the modified Humvee on which it would be mounted."
According to the Marine Corps Times report, the projected energy "which falls near microwaves on the electromagnetic spectrum, causes the moisture in a person's skin to heat up rapidly, creating a burning sensation, similar to a hot light bulb pressed against one's flesh." The microwaves, "whose exact length, frequency and amplitude are classified, cause water molecules in the skin cells to vibrate." Presumably, "when used as directed - that is, briefly - the weapon causes no long-term problems". Meanwhile, "the amount of time the weapon must be trained on an individual to cause permanent damage or death is classified." Studies of long-term effects of "the VMADS system" have been completed, according to the report, but "the findings have not been released publicly." It should be noted that the Joint Chiefs of Staff major policy directive in the area of non-lethal weapons, DoD Directive 3000.3, which is currently under revision, calls for these weapons to have a built-in "rheostatic" (ie. "tunable") capability.
The Marine report states that, "the need for a nonlethal means for stopping an aggressor is a direct response to today's world of unknown enemies where small numbers of troops find themselves facing off against large crowds of civilians." And while "weapons that fire lasers, electricity and sound waves have been in development for years", "not since the advent of gun-powder and the splitting of the atom have armies seen such a leap in technology." The range of the electromagnetic weapon "remains classified" but project officials "expect it will exceed 750 meters" (2250') allowing the Marines to "engage a crowd from afar, directing two-second bursts of energy without risk of being overcome by the mob." The "mob", the target of the directed beam, cooking in 130 degree heat, "would immediately experience intense pain, causing confusion and driving the crowd to disperse." And while "the intention is not to burn the skin", "those hit by the beam begin to feel intense heat" during "potential applications" which include "urban operations." And finally, while "the Defense Department has spent nearly $40 million over ten years to develop the technology...budget predictions from last year...show another $26 million could be needed for development over the next five years." The primary contractor for the current VMADS $16 million project is Raytheon Missile Systems.
Deeper Unveiling
Turns out that while the Marines expect to be microwaving people, it was the Air Force that developed the "technology" in the first place. On February 22, 2001 the United States Air Force Research Laboratory, located at Kirtland Air Force Base, New Mexico, issued it's own news release announcing that "a breakthrough technology designed to project an energy beam that drives away adversaries without injuring them, is now undergoing advanced testing." (2) According to the Air Force, the projected energy "beam" travels "at the speed of light" and penetrates "1/64 of a inch into the skin", rapidly heating up the skin's surface, causing the "subject", within seconds, to "feel pain that stops when the transmitter is shut off or when the subject moves out of the beam." According to the news release, the weapon was developed by two Air Force Research Laboratory teams: one from it's Directed Energy Directorate at Kirtland, the other from it's Human Effectiveness Directorate, located at Brooks Air Force Base, Texas. The learned team leaders, Lt. Col.Chuck Beason and Dr. Kirk Hackett noted, in reference to the new EM weapon, that "the effect exploits a natural defense mechanism - pain - that has evolved to protect the human body from damage."
The Air Force Research Laboratory - Directed Energy Directorate, in addition to developing "high powered electromagnetic weapons and countermeasures" also develops "moderate and high power laser devices". (3) In fact, recently (2/212/01), the public affairs office of the Airborne Laser System Program Office, located at Kirtland, AFB, announced that "Lockheed Martin Space Systems will open an $8 million, 16,000 square-foot optical test centerdesigned to analyze the beam guidance system for the U.S. Air Force's Airborne Laser, the world's first combat aircraft armed with a directed energy weapon." (4) Meanwhile, the Space Vehicles Directorate - Air Force Research Laboratory, "develops technologies to support evolving warfighter requirements to control and exploit space." (5) This past November, Kirtland AFB was the site of the 3rd Annual Directed Energy Symposium entitled, Directed Energy for the 21st Century, presented by the Directed Energy Professional Association, in cooperation with the Office of the Secretary of Defense. (6)
The VMADS system is currently being tested in field conditions by the Air Force at Kirtland, AFB. At the New Mexico site, "they are using a transmitter that sends a narrow beam of energy to a test subject hundreds of yards away." It is reassuring to note that "all testing is being conducted with strict observance of the procedures, laws and regulations governing animal and human experimentation". In addition, "the tests have been reviewed and approved by the Air Force Surgeon General's Office and are conducted by the Air Force Research Laboratory's Human Effectiveness Directorate." Finally, "although testing is expected to continue in this summer (2001), officials have begun examining the technology for use on a vehicle-mounted version. Future versions might also be used on board planes and ships." (7)
Col. George Fenton, director of the US Marine operated NLW program firmly believes in the safety of this "revolutionary force protection technology." He recently stated that "humans have been exposed more than 6,000 times in testing, all inside the laboratory (and that) no long term effects have been detected." Given that track record, Fenton believes that "the technology could move into the acquisition phase of making a prototype as soon as this summer (2001), when the project would be taken over by the Air Force's Electronic Systems Center at Hanscom Air Force Base, Mass., near Boston." (8)
Finally, on-cue the New York Times joined in on the "unveiling", heralding "what some military officials hope will become the rubber bullet of the 21st century: a weapon that uses electromagnetic waves to disperse crowds without killing, maiming or, military officials say, even injuring anyone slightly." (9) Not even slightly! After all, notes the Times, they are only "intended to influence motivational behavior." According to free lance writer/researcher David Guyatt, "less than lethal anti-personnel weapons, especially some classes of EM weapons that are viewed as having a capability to remotely modify behavior or attack higher functions, are seen in some influential quarters as being the ideal remedy for future domestic disturbances...", wherein, the forces of repression will target the opposition, "armed with innovative technological weapons that do not necessarily kill but which render disenfranchised segments of society physically inactive, emotionally stupefied and incapable of meaningful thought" (10)
Sound farfetched? Back in 1986, Marine Corps Captain Paul E. Tyler, author of an influential study entitled, "The Electromagnetic Spectrum in Low-Intensity Conflict" (11) was already making the point that "the potential applications of artificial electromagnetic fields are wide ranging and can be used in many military or quasi - military situations" including "crowd control". At that time he pointed out that although scientists hadn't identified electromagnetism for what it really was until the eighteenth century, "the results of many studies that have been published in the last few years indicate that specific biological effects can be achieved by controlling the various parameters of the electromagnetic (EM) field." And further, "many of the clinical effects of electromagnetic radiation (have) been reported in the literature to induce or enhance the following effects (including) electroanesthesia behavior modification in animals, altered electroencephalograms in animals and humans, altered brain morphology in animals, altered firing of neuronal cells."
According to Capt. Tyler, "a 1982 Air Force review of biotechnology had this to say: Currently available data allow the projection that specially generated radio frequency radiation (RFR) fields may pose powerful and revolutionary antipersonnel military threats. Electroshock therapy indicates the ability of induced electric current to completely interrupt mental functioning for short periods of time, to obtain cognition for longer periods and to restructure emotional response over prolonged intervals." Further, "experience with electroshock therapy, RFR experiments and the increasing understanding of the brain as an electrically mediated organ suggested the serious probability that impressed electromagnetic fields can be disruptive to purposeful behavior and may be capable of directing and or interrogating such behavior", while "the passage of approximately 100 milliamperes through the myocardium can lead to cardiac standstill and death, again pointing to a speed-of-light weapons effect."
Endnotes
1. Marine Corps Times, "The People Zapper: This new secret weapon doesn't kill, but it sure does burn", C. Mark Brinkley, March 5, 2001, pg.10.
2. United States Air Force, Air Force Research Laboratory, News Release, Office of Public Affairs, "New Technology Drives Away Adversaries", February 22, 2001. http://www.de.afrl.af.mil/pa/releases/2001/01-09.html
3. Air Force Research Laboratory, Kirtland AFB, New Mexico, Directorate descriptions, http://www.afrl.af.mil/techconn/directorate_descriptions.htm
4. United States Air Force, Airborne Laser System Program Office, Office of Public Affairs, "Airborne Laser Optical Facility Opens", February 21, 2001. http://www.de.afrl.af.mil/pa/releases/2001/01-06.html
5. Air Force Research Laboratory, Directorate descriptions (above)
6. Directed Energy for the 21st Century, 3rd Annual Directed Energy Symposium, Preliminary Program and Registration, Kirtland Air Force Base, White Sands Missile Range, 30 October - 3 November 2000.
7. Air Force Research Laboratory, "New technology Drives Away Adversaries" 2/22/01 (above)
8. Marine Corps Times, 3/5/01 (above)
9. New York Times, "Pentagon Unveils Plans for a New Crowd-Dispersal Weapon", James Dao, March 2, 2001.
10. David G. Guyatt, "Some Aspects of Antipersonnel Electromagnetic Weapons", February 1996. http://www.adacomp.net/~mcherney/aspects.html
11. Capt. Paul E. Tyler, MC, USN, "The Electromagnetic Spectrum in Low-Intensity Conflict", in, LtCol. David J. Dean, USAF, Editor, Low-Intensity Conflict and Modern Technology, Air University Press, Alabama, June 1986. http://www.adacomp.net/~mcherney/mn142a.htm
Frank Morales is an Episcopal priest and independent researcher active on Manhattan's Lower East Side. His articles on paramilitary policing, "Homeland Defense" and U.S. Military "Civil Disturbance" planning have appeared in Covert Action Quarterly.
Copyright 2001 Frank Morales. All rights reserved.
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shatoga
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Thu Nov 06, 2003 8:13 am
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BC,
I confess
my only degree is an ancient 'mechanical engineering' from Penn State.
Back then steel still melted at the same temperatures and physics was not yet modified by political edict.
On history however:
I've an in-law who recently got an MA in history and is currently in a Doctoral program.
I read all texts he brings home before he does.
My memory is old and unreliable, so I take notes.
History is my first love and I notice Napoleon was right:
"History is a set of lies agreed upon."
NWO initiates get told the true history of our planet.
Outside influence in gene splicing to bring apes gradually into humanity;
Numerous interventions to correct blind alleys of evolution;
Present complicity of "the RAJ" who serve masters from outside.
In context:
British ruled India through corrupt 'quislings' whom they appointed Rajahs:
The "Raj" who ruled over their countrymen in service to alien lords/ the British
Get my drift?
Rajahs got rich by serving alien British Lords..
Bush family got rich by serving alien lords...
That damn clinton tried to put people first and got destroyed by NWO media lap dogs
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shatoga
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Thu Nov 06, 2003 8:33 am
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BC,
I confess
my only degree is an ancient 'mechanical engineering' from Penn State.
Back then steel still melted at the same temperatures and physics was not yet modified by political edict.
On history however:
I've an in-law who recently got an MA in history and is currently in a Doctoral program.
I read all texts he brings home before he does.
My memory is old and unreliable, so I take notes.
History is my first love and I notice Napoleon was right:
"History is a set of lies agreed upon."
NWO initiates get told the true history of our planet.
Outside influence in gene splicing to bring apes gradually into humanity;
Numerous interventions to correct blind alleys of evolution;
Present complicity of "the RAJ" who serve masters from outside.
In context:
British ruled India through corrupt 'quislings' whom they appointed Rajahs:
The "Raj" who ruled over their countrymen in service to alien lords/ the British
Get my drift?
Rajahs got rich by serving alien British Lords..
Bush family got rich by serving alien lords...
That damn clinton tried to put people first and got destroyed by NWO media lap dogs
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shatoga
Joined: 23 Nov 2002
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Thu Nov 06, 2003 8:36 am
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BC,
I confess
my only degree is an ancient 'mechanical engineering' from Penn State.
Back then steel still melted at the same temperatures and physics was not yet modified by political edict.
On history however:
I've an in-law who recently got an MA in history and is currently in a Doctoral program.
I read all texts he brings home before he does.
My memory is old and unreliable, so I take notes.
History is my first love and I notice Napoleon was right:
"History is a set of lies agreed upon."
NWO initiates get told the true history of our planet.
Outside influence in gene splicing to bring apes gradually into humanity;
Numerous interventions to correct blind alleys of evolution;
Present complicity of "the RAJ" who serve masters from outside.
In context:
British ruled India through corrupt 'quislings' whom they appointed Rajahs:
The "Raj" who ruled over their countrymen in service to alien lords/ the British
Get my drift?
Rajahs got rich by serving alien British Lords..
Bush family got rich by serving alien lords...
'That damn clinton' tried to 'put "people" first' and got destroyed by NWO media lap dogs
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shatoga
Joined: 23 Nov 2002
Posts: 1291
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Thu Nov 06, 2003 8:40 am
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BC,
I confess
my only degree is an ancient 'mechanical engineering' from Penn State.
Back then steel still melted at the same temperatures and physics was not yet modified by political edict.
On history however:
I've an in-law who recently got an MA in history and is currently in a Doctoral program.
I read all texts he brings home before he does.
My memory is old and unreliable, so I take notes.
History is my first love and I notice Napoleon was right:
"History is a set of lies agreed upon."
NWO initiates get told the true history of our planet.
Outside influence in gene splicing to bring apes gradually into humanity;
Numerous interventions to correct blind alleys of evolution;
Present complicity of "the RAJ" who serve masters from outside.
In context:
British ruled India through corrupt 'quislings' whom they appointed Rajahs:
The "Raj" who ruled over their countrymen in service to alien lords/ the British
Get my drift?
Rajahs got rich by serving alien British Lords..
Bush family got rich by serving alien lords...
'That damn clinton' tried to 'put "people" first' and got destroyed by NWO media lap dogs
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shatoga
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Posts: 1291
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Thu Nov 06, 2003 8:46 am
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I've saved the post i am not currently allowed to post in this topic.
I will post it here or elsewhere/
or it will be auto posted after I fail to log in to several mail servers.
tried 4 times and got notice it was posted 3 of rour.
It never was here...
think of the Admiral in Red October showing his "Cocain-Importing-Agency" badge:
"I was never here.."
same same???
Four tries no post showing???
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shatoga
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Thu Nov 06, 2003 8:49 am
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not allowed to post?
Why? |
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JerseyBluEyz
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Thu Nov 06, 2003 3:17 pm
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Thermit
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Posts: 3136
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Thu Nov 06, 2003 8:35 pm
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Testing to see if can post.
(Be careful about hitting the submit button twice when posting...)
Please post here instead...
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001578.html
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Thermit on 11-06-2003] |
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Mech
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Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:56 am
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SAVED FROM OBLIVION! |
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