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halva
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Their indifference to the question of the anthrax shots makes a particular impression on me.
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halva
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Wed Nov 19, 2003 3:59 pm
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I cannot imagine ANY Greek being so indifferent to the fate of a Greek soldier, or even of a person falsely claiming to be a Greek soldier.
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JerseyBluEyz
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Wed Nov 19, 2003 4:20 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by halva:
I cannot imagine ANY Greek being so indifferent to the fate of a Greek soldier, or even of a person falsely claiming to be a Greek soldier.
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Bobben Sun
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Wed Nov 19, 2003 6:21 pm
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Thank you every one for keeping in mind we are all in the same boat ... ( gasp ! )
Remeber this ( all you U.S.A. guys should know this ) ...
" UNITED WE STAND ... DIVIDED WE FALL "
HAVE A GOOD DAY ANYWAY !
(Pardon me for being nosy but .......... )
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Keep the planet free ...
PEACE ! |
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Wolf_Larson
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Wed Nov 19, 2003 7:00 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by halva:
Their indifference to the question of the anthrax shots makes a particular impression on me.
Halva your continued attempts to dictate what is an acceptable viewpoint make little impression on me.
If he is in the army any he is ordered to get a vaccine to protect him against a potential threat, then he has to do it or potentially face a Court Marshal.
If he was in combat and he was ordered to wear his combat helmet and refused, he would be subject to the same punitive actions.
I’ll admit that there are concerns about the vaccine, but, if we didn’t vaccinate and hundreds or even thousands of U.S. Soldiers died from a biological attack, then how loud would you be screaming that the Army should have protected our soldiers?
Furthermore, the question of whether or not Bhang is really a soldier stationed in Iraq is indeed a valid one, In fact, in my mind, it is considerably more important that the anthrax vaccine issue.
If he is who he says he is, and if someone either directly or indirectly encourages him to violate a direct order from his superiors, there could be serious consequences.
On the other hand, if he is a fake, then there are other legal and ethical issues at stake here. At the least, if that is true, he would be a harmless and garden variety internet troll (and therefore eligible for expulsion under the forum rules.)
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PacerLJ35
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Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:16 am
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Indifference to the anthrax shot? To me, the anthrax issue is a non-issue. I've been immunized with Anthrax. So have thousands of other military personnel. Why should I be "concerned" about him receiving an Anthrax shot when I've already received all the doses myself? And suffered ZERO medical side effects or adverse problems? Hell, a flu shot at least makes me feel a bit sick...but the Anthrax shots only put a knot in my arm for a couple days...but not as worse as a Typhoid shot...boy, those will put a lump in your arm for a week. |
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Wolf_Larson
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Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:21 am
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Besides, it is the small pox vaccine that has everyone complaining, not anthrax |
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Molliani
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Thu Nov 20, 2003 8:51 am
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by halva:
[I cannot imagine ANY Greek being so indifferent to the fate of a Greek soldier,
or even of a person falsely claiming to be a Greek soldier.]
Falsely claiming to be a Greek soldier?
Would your court system condone this practice?
I'm not indifferent to anyone facing todays forced vaccinations. How did you come to that conclusion Halva? I've provided a couple of links and articles that may interest Bhang.
Posted on Wed, Nov. 19, 2003
Wisconsin soldier's death may be linked to vaccines
BY DONALD G. MCNEIL JR.
New York Times
A 22-year-old Army reservist who died in April may have succumbed to a combination of vaccinations, including those for smallpox and anthrax, the Pentagon said Tuesday.
But the doctor who oversees the armed forces' smallpox vaccination program called the death of Spc. Rachel Lacy "a rare and tragic case," and said the military's vaccination policies would not be changed.
Lacy, a reservist at Fort McCoy, Wis., died of "a complicated illness, diagnosed as "like lupus,' " said the doctor, Col. John D. Grabenstein of the Army Surgeon General's office.
A month earlier, she had received five shots to protect her against smallpox, anthrax, hepatitis B, typhoid, measles, mumps and rubella. Receiving that many shots at once is not unusual, Grabenstein said.
"Infants can get five in one day," he said. "It's considered safe practice." Lacy had no skin problems or immune system problems that would have excluded her from smallpox vaccine, he added.
She later fell sick with aches and fever resembling the cold that other members of her unit had. When the symptoms worsened, they resembled lupus, in which the body's own immune system attacks it. She later died from bleeding in her lungs.
The Army said two civilian medical panels that looked into the case agreed that her death was either "probably" or "possibly" an adverse reaction to vaccines.
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Gulf War Chemicals Linked to Testicular Damage
Reduced sperm production in veterans cited in Duke study
By Gary Gately
HealthDayNews Reporter
TUESDAY, Jan. 14 (HealthDayNews)
A combination of three chemicals given
to Gulf War troops to protect against diseases and nerve gas may have damaged the soldiers' testes and reduced their sperm production.
That's the contention of a new Duke University study, published in the Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health, that showed the chemicals caused extensive cell degeneration and cell death in the testes of laboratory rats.
Rats given the chemicals and exposed
to stressful situations suffered more extensive damage. This suggests that
the chemicals, combined with the moderate stress likely experienced by some soldiers during the 1991 Gulf War, caused the most severe deterioration in testicular structure and sperm production, says Mohamed B. Abou-Donia, a Duke pharmacologist and the study's lead researcher.
The findings could provide clues about why some veterans of the Persian Gulf War have suffered from infertility and sexual dysfunction, Abou-Donia says.
Researchers gave lab rats the insect repellant DEET, the insecticide permethrin and the anti-nerve gas agent pyridostigmine bromide in doses designed to mimic the human equivalent of what the soldiers received.
The rats showed no outward signs of ailments, Abou-Donia says, but under a microscope, the testicular damage could clearly be seen. As a result, he suggests, cases of testicle damage among
soldiers could have been overlooked.
"In the real-life situation, veterans came back and looked normal, and the only
way doctors could tell damage was to look at the testes," Abou-Donia says.
"So they ended up saying it [concern about infertility] was all in the veterans' heads, only their imaginations."
Earlier studies found much higher doses of each of the three chemicals given separately proved almost harmless, Abou-Donia says. Combining two of
them was more toxic, and the three together, the most toxic, he says.
However, Abou-Donia adds the results
of the latest research, which examined the rats immediately after giving them
the chemicals and subjecting them to stress, doesn't answer whether the damage is reversible. Further study would be needed to determine the possibility of recovery, he says.
In the study, financed by the U.S. Department of Defense, the researchers found the most pervasive cell damage within basal germ cells and spermatocytes, which develop into mature sperm. The three chemicals combined with stress caused these cells to detach from one another, slough off and develop holes known as "vacuoles," part of the process that leads to cell death. And the more cells that die, the more sperm production is reduced, Abou-Donia says.
Similar cell degeneration occurred in the seminiferous tubules, where developing sperm are produced, and in Sertoli cells that support and nurture the developing germ cells, Abou-Donia says.
The study showed the chemicals and stress interrupted most of the stages of sperm development and eliminated some altogether.
Steve Robinson, a Gulf War veteran who is now executive director of the National Gulf War Resource Center, an information clearinghouse, says the study's findings come as no surprise.
"Although this particular study is unfortunate news, it's confirmatory news," Robinson says. "It will at least close the door so [veterans] know the reason."
Robinson, who researched Gulf War-related illnesses for the Defense Department until 2001, says he hears regularly from Gulf War veterans concerned about infertility.
"It's been on veterans' minds," he says. "The evidence is mounting that exposure from the Gulf War is the reason why veterans are sick, and veterans have been saying this all along. But science is just now catching up."
As the United States prepares for a potential second round of war in Iraq, Robinson says the study demonstrates the need for caution in giving soldiers chemicals.
"I think what it says is number one, we have to be extremely concerned about
the use of investigational new drugs and vaccines in combination with pesticides used in military applications during war," Robinson says.
Links For Bhang:
The National Gulf War Resource Center http://www.ngwrc.org/
Anthrax Vaccine Network http://www.ngwrc.org/anthrax/default.asp
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