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letxa2000
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 Thu Dec 18, 2003 7:43 pm
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[B]Just an observation... do you guys think EVERYTHING is a conspiracy that's out to "get you"?
My experience with conspiracy theorists is yes, they DO believe everything is a conspiracy.
Have to love the whole Saddam-capture thing though. First it was, "We haven't captured OBL or even Saddam, and we haven't found WDM." Now that Saddam has been captured the response has changed to "Well, how do we know it's really him?" or "Actually they probably captured him a long time ago but just made it public now to get a boost in the polls" or "Ok, they got Saddam but where are the WMD?" or "They've already captured OBL but they're saving him for an October surprise before the election." It never ends...
I'm not a Bush fan, but the Bush critics will never be happy. Everything with Bush is a conspiracy, even if they have to evolve their conspiracy theories as reality changes and makes their previous statements impossible. Or when reality changes they just choose not to believe it, i.e., some of them believe it's not really Saddam we captured.
It's really quite sad. Turning everything into a conspiracy dimishes the importance of conspiracies when they actually exist. For example, I tend to believe there was more than one shooter on JFK. But suddenly conspiracy theories include JFK, Pearl Harbor, Roswell, 9/11... Basically every major event that happens is part of a conspiracy, apparently. And it's sad that people believe that. They've seen one too many Hollywood movies.
I read somewhere that conspiracy theories give people in this complex world a sense of thinking they know something that not everyone knows. It makes them feel special thinking they have it "figured out" rather than accepting that the world can be an evil, chaotic place.
But when conspiracy theories take the place of reality, it's a bad thing. And often with conspiracy theorists, the conspiracy DOES take the place of reality--and when reality conflicts with the theory, the theory takes precedence regardless of the facts.
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Mech
Joined: 06 Jun 2001
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Thu Dec 18, 2003 7:47 pm
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Saddam Hussein was a CIA asset FACT...NOT "Conspiracy".
NO weapons of Mass Destruction have been found...FACT..NOT "Conspiracy"
The US GOVT set up the Ba'ath party in 1963..FACT...NOT "Conspiracy".
Better start paying attention to YOUR corrupt government headed by Bushies buddy Vincente FOX.
Tell him to stop illegals from entering my country. If they want to come here...do it LEGALLY.
Congressman Paul on war with Iraq: "The resolution is unconstitutional and unwise. It sends our troops into battle without a congressional declaration of war, citing the United Nations as authority for our actions. Our armed forces serve America, not the UN."
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letxa2000
Joined: 30 Apr 2002
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Thu Dec 18, 2003 9:04 pm
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Originally posted by Mech:
Saddam Hussein was a CIA asset FACT...NOT "Conspiracy".
Even if true, so what? Many wives have been killed by husbands that loved them at one point. That doesn't mean the wife was stupid to get married. Things change. Especially when measured in decades.
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NO weapons of Mass Destruction have been found...FACT..NOT "Conspiracy"
I haven't argued that no WMDs have been found. That's not a matter of debate. However, I suspect that if WMDs are found that many conspiracists will simply claim that they were planted and are part of the conspiracy. So if we don't find WMDs, it's a conspiracy. If we do find them, it's a conspiracy. Again, conspiracists have set things up so they can't lose.
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The US GOVT set up the Ba'ath party in 1963..FACT...NOT "Conspiracy".
I have no information on that, nor do I care. It goes along with what I said about wives being killed by husbands--lots of things change in 40 years and what might have made sense in 1963 won't necessarily make sense forever. That's a far cry from proof of a conspiracy. It's proof that things change in nearly half a century.
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Better start paying attention to YOUR corrupt government headed by Bushies buddy Vincente FOX.
First of all, I'm American--not Mexican. I just happen to live in Mexico.
Second, the Mexican government has been corrupt since the PRI took control back around 1920 after the Mexican Revolution (their civil war, essentially)--long before Fox and long before even Bush Sr. was a factor. While things are still bad here, the government is definitely LESS corrupt in the 3 years that Vicente Fox has been president. And Vicente Fox is far lass powerful and authoritarian than all of his PRI predecesors. But if you knew anything about what you were talking about you'd know that.
But it's obvious you are talking about topics of which you have no factual basis whatsoever. Makes we wonder if you are equally misinformed in topics regarding your conspiracy theories?
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Tell him to stop illegals from entering my country. If they want to come here...do it LEGALLY.
I agree with you 100%. I'm an American and married to a Mexican. And both I (American) and she (Mexican) agree with you 100%: If Mexicans want to go to the U.S., they should do it legally. Just like I am legally living in Mexico.
But again you're changing topics.
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Congressman Paul on war with Iraq: "The resolution is unconstitutional and unwise. It sends our troops into battle without a congressional declaration of war, citing the United Nations as authority for our actions. Our armed forces serve America, not the UN."
So what? They do serve the United States, did serve the United States, and the President and Commander-In-Chief ordered them into battle, not the U.N. What relevance does that quote have to our discussion? None that I can see.
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the professor
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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Thu Dec 18, 2003 9:20 pm
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Saddam's capture literally kills woman in Jordan
Date: December 19 2003
A 70-year-old woman was overcome by grief at the capture of ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein and died of a heart attack after seeing pictures of the humiliating event, Jordan's Al-Rai daily said yesterday.
A relative of the woman, who was only identified by her initials, told the newspaper she broke into a fit of tears Monday and died after she saw a disheveled and haggard-looking Saddam in the hands of US troops.
The woman was "deeply saddened over Saddam's fate" and suffered a heart attack after seeing his images being flashed on television screens, the unnamed relative said, adding that she had been in very good health until then.
AFP
All I have to say about this is GOOD! anyone that grieves for that piece of crap murderer ought to have their head checked. |
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Mech
Joined: 06 Jun 2001
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Fri Dec 19, 2003 1:01 am
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OH!!!!!!
You mean the "murderer" the US backed financially FOR YEARS?
The same "murderer" we LOVED to arm?
The same "murderer" we supported untill
he doublecrossed BUSH SR. on buisness deals?
Uh...ya!! Wave that Chinese commie slave made plastic desecrated AmeriKAN flag.
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the professor
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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Fri Dec 19, 2003 4:31 am
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Get your facts straight and quit looking for everything to be a damned conspiracy, geez
We armed them when the Iran/ Iraq war was going on not knowing of the many faces of Saddam. Any weapon that would still be left from that era (bioloicals and such) would have longed surpass any expiration date so don't try to think up another stupid conspiracy. |
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Mech
Joined: 06 Jun 2001
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Fri Dec 19, 2003 4:34 am
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Oh...SURE we "didn't know"
You sound like Ronald Reagan. |
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