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JerseyBluEyz
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quote:
Originally posted by KNOW-THIS:
It is truly a sad day in our beautiful country.
Excellent addition Know This. Thanks! 
This is just a sample of the disinformation that goes on in our country. I hope this information will help wake up some of the disbelieving folks here and those that might come across this thread. PLEASE stop blindly believing what you are fed in the papers and through the TV. Dig deeper than that for the TRUTH!
Does this thread not make you step back and wonder what the heck is going on??? If it doesn't, then the principles this wonderful country was founded on might as well not even exist. We don’t deserve them then.
Are we going to continue to roll over and watch what we have left go down the tubes? I say HELL NO!
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HatchetML
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Why sure things arent as they should be, but these post's bitcing about the problem and no action to cure the problem...see the point now?
4000 post later and you are no closer to the cure for these problems then you were on day one!
You can complain here in this forum and all your doing is showing your lack of dedication to cure these problems...
Post away...tomorrow is gonna be the same ole game....  |
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Mech
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HATCHET: 'all you are doing is showing your lack of dedication to solving these problems"
And WHAT THE F**K have YOU done?
NOTHING.
I'm waking up minds all over the place all over the internet and in my community.I've gone to my city council to oppose the Patriot act in my City. I'm distributing information and handouts when ever I get a chance.
You haven't done S**T...so quit YOUR blood-clot cryin' mon.
http://themech.proboards22.com/index.cgi?board=dark&action=display&num=1069147460
Evil is allowed to flourish as long as the good people do nothing.
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JerseyBluEyz
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Exposing disinformation, in any shape or form, is a lot more than most people would even bother doing. This reminds me of a quote:
Moral cowardice that keeps us from speaking our minds is as dangerous to this country as irresponsible talk. The right way is not always the popular and easy way. Standing for right when it is unpopular is a true test of moral character -- Margaret Chase Smith.
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shatoga
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Agents provocateur are a traditional feature of repressive governments:
Read folks, what we Liberals call "the Liberty amendment"
>THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE<
Listed numerous reasons why King George should be opposed by force of arms:
>HE has erected a Multitude of new Offices, and sent hither Swarms of Officers to harrass our People, and eat out their Substance.<
>HE has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
HE has combined with others to subject us to a Jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution, and unacknowledged by our Laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
<
>FOR imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
FOR depriving us, in many Cases, of the Benefits of Trial by Jury:
< http://www.law.emory.edu/FEDERAL/independ/declar.html
Of course,
any unbiased study of the past century in amerika would show that our most dangerous criminals carry badges:
Visit the links below to read about federal agents' provocateur http://www.apfn.org/OKC/doc.htm
Like the Federal agents provocateur who used Tim McViegh;
>...as it turned out, Howe was not the only informant at the Christian
Identity community. Founder Millar repeatedly shared information with
law enforcement officials. During a June 31, 1997 court proceeding, FBI
Senior Agent Peter Rickel testified Millar was in regular contact with
the agency in the years before the bombing. Millar confirmed that he
frequently talked to government officials the next day, telling the
Tulsa World newspaper that he had answered questions from such agencies
as the FBI and the Drug Enforcement Administration.
Writing about the revelation in the July 1, 1997 issue of the McCurtain
Daily Gazette, Cash said, "Millar's position as a mole for the FBI could
explain why the compound has never been raided. Despite its use as a
hideout for gunrunners, drug dealers, bank robbers and suspected members
of the conspiracy that bombed the Alfred E. Murrah federal building in
Oklahoma City, Elohim City has enjoyed a reputation as a place where
fugitives can live without fear of arrest."
Another informant who lived at Elohim City was James Ellison, a former
CSA member who helped devise the original Murrah building bombing plan
in the early 1980s. A few year later, Ellison testified in court against
several members of The Order. Because of this, he was considered a
traitor and snitch by all racist leaders - except Millar. On May 19,
1995, Ellison even married Millar's daughter, Angela.
The leader of the Aryan Republican Army was also an informant. Peter
Langan, the son of a retired U.S. Marine intelligence officer, and
Richard Guthrie, another racist, robbed a Pizza Hut in Georgia in
October 1992. A short time later, Langan was arrested by Georgia
authorities. Remarkably, the U.S. Secret Service intervened, arranging
for Langan to be released on a signature bond. At the time, the Secret
Service said that Langan had agreed to find Guthrie, who was suspected
of threatening the President. Langan did not turn Guthrie in, however.
Instead, the two men formed the ARA, recruited several other members,
and launched one of the most successful bank robbery sprees in U.S.
history.
The Secret Service link has prompted several researchers to wonder
whether the ARA was, in fact, a covert government operation. They note
that the ARA never encountered any bank guards or other law enforcement
officials during any of their robberies. They also note that Langan,
Guthrie and the other ARA members were not arrested until after the
press began reporting on Elohim City. Guthrie was found dead in his
prison cell a few days after telling relatives that he was writing a
book on the ARA that would embarrass the government. Although the death
has been ruled a suicide, the coroner's report has never been released....<
http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2003/10/101272.shtml
the cop mentioned in posts previously
http://www.publiceye.org/liberty/Feds/ci-chomsky.htm
>student was the target of an assassination attempt by a secret terrorist army organized, funded, armed and directed by the FBI, which concealed evidence of the crime and prevented prosecution of the FBI agent in charge and the FBI infiltrator who led this organization in its rampage of fire-bombing, shooting, and general violence and terror aimed at the left, all with the full knowledge and cooperation of the Bureau.
In this case, the intended victim of the FBI assassination attempt escaped injury, though a young woman was seriously injured. Others were not so lucky. The most notorious case is that of Black panther leader Fred Hampton, who, along with Mark Clark, was murdered in a pre-dawn gestapo-style police raid - the phrase is accurate - in December 1969, with the complicity of the FBI, which had turned over to the police a floor plan of his apartment supplied by an FBI provocateur who was chief of Panther security. the floor plan no doubt explains the remarkable accuracy of police gunfire, noted by reporters. Hampton was killed in bed, possibly drugged; according to eyewitnesses, murdered in cold blood.
The FBI prank followed an earlier effort to have Hampton murdered by a criminal gang in the Chicago ghetto, the Blackstone Rangers. The Rangers were sent an anonymous letter by the local FBI office informing them that the Panthers were intending to murder their leader,
<
COINTELPRO AND THE AMERICAN LABOUR MOVEMENT Covert action against ...
" ... of diverting substantial funds that had been raised ... FBI agent provocateur Joe Burton targeted the United ... Burton infiltrated the union and repeatedly disrupted ... " www.wakeupmag.co.uk/articles/usalabour.htm
>Covert action against the new left and anti-war movements in the US also persisted since the supposed close of COINTELPRO. When activists mobilised to protest the 1972 Republican Party convention in San Diego, the FBI's campaign against them culminated in the January 6th 1972 attempt on the life of a protest organiser by the "Secret Army Organisation" (SAO).
The SAO, a crypto-fascist group created and financed by the FBI during 1969-70, was established "to use violence against radicals". During the early 70s, the SAO engaged in a range of activities including burglary, bombings, kidnappings and assassination plots. All of this was supervised directly by the FBI, as revealed by two ex-San Diego agents Nanda Zocchino and Howard Berry Godfrey, while the Bureau itself did little to deny it.
<
COINTELPRO AND THE PEACE MOVEMENT
" ... Ryan, who had two commendations to his credit during a ... The Bureau also infiltrated the Committee in Solidarity with ... In 1986, FBI agents paid personal visits to ... " www.wakeupmag.co.uk/articles/peacemovement.htm
>In January 1988, successful lawsuits brought under the freedom of Information Act by attorneys for the Centre For Constitutional Rights (CCR) forced the FBI to release more than 3,600 documents revealing a massive and prolonged Bureau campaign against over 200 social, religious and political organizations between 1981 and 1988. For instance, the FBI admitted infiltrating the San Francisco Bay Area branches of Physicians for Social Responsibility and other peace groups from 1982 to 1984.<
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/NSA/Bureau_War_Peace_LS_html
>The Lawless State
The crimes of the U.S. Inteligence Agencies<
Hmmm..
Other forums also are considering asscroft planting spies inside peace movements... http://www.sunspot.net/threads/Forum18/HTML/029302.html
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zoso925
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Mech
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(above post was edited out due to advocating violence)
Yeah...and you will make it 150% easier for the fascists to throw your monkey @$$ in jail for a long time when you say things like that.
That's EXACTLY what they want to hear.
Are you sure you don't work for the globalists tough guy?
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shatoga
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zoso...,
Watch your evening news.
People are every day, their homes being invaded and themselves arrested.
Some are guilty of the crimes charged.
Some may be innocent of any crime.
When armed thugs bust open your door and shoot anyone who moves;
When reporters merely parrot the official version of events;
When techs "recover" files from your computer by first planting those files on your hard drive;
Then you become just another (insert despicapable crime here) who was arrested,
and nobody cares!
Anyone dealing with amerika's "criminal" justice system, quickly learns that innocence is no defense.
There are in amerika, people who, for a living, goad others into criminal activity.
My post above about elohim city is intended to illustrate that with factual examples.
I recommend anyone read
"1984" by Orwell
Here is a link to the entire book online in a searchable version: http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/
>One day, while walking home, Winston encounters O'Brien, an inner party member, who gives Winston his address. Winston had exchanged glances with O'Brien before and had dreams about him giving him the impression that O'Brien was a member of the Brotherhood. Since Julia hated the party as much as Winston did, they went to O'Brien’s house together where they were introduced into the Brotherhood. O'Brien is actually a faithful member of the Inner-Party and this is actually a trap for Winston, a trap that O'Brien has been cleverly setting for seven years. Winston and Julia are sent to the Ministry of Love which is a sort of rehabilitation center for criminals accused of thoughtcrime.<
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zoso925
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shatoga
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"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it ... "-Santayana
zoso,
Violence towards others or towards yourself is not the answer.
On 911, there were only a few dozen of us saying, "something smells, and it ain't in Denmark."
Now Millions of people worldwide realize 911 was an inside job.
Fill your head with facts, and help us spread the truth.
Violence is only an excuse for more repression.
The 3rd Reich was opposed until death by the Storm lantern of the White Rose, by courageous Germans who fought repression and lies with facts and truth.
After Germany fell to the one party rule of it's own rightwing extremists; a group of patriots,
>Die Wasse Rose was obsessed with >awakening those who sat back and did nothing.<
Storm Lantern of The White Rose
Please read the leaflets at: http://www.jlrweb.com/whiterose/leafoneeng.html
____________________________________________
-Many work here and elsewhere work to spread the word,
about what we see as a growing threat to America, by an out of control Administration,
which >serves only the base ambitions of a Party clique?<
(Leaflet #1 of the White Rose)
____________________________________________
And most of us have noticed
>It is impossible to engage in intellectual discourse with< (they referred to Germany's rightwingers).
(Leaflet #2 of the White Rose)
>They will not see and will not listen. Blindly they follow their seducers into ruin.
Cast off the cloak of indifference you have wrapped around you.
Make the decision before it is too late.<
>Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the protection of individual citizens
from the abritrary will of criminal regimes of violence-<
(Leaflet #5 of the White Rose)
{To us those are not mere empty rhetoric, but living ideals!}
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We shall not give up & surrender to thugs.
>We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience.
The White Rose will not leave you in peace!<
(Leaflet #4 of the White Rose)
>The members of The White Rose..
.recognized their shared disgust for Adolf Hitler, the Third Reich and the Gestapo.<* http://www.jlrweb.com/whiterose/
The White Rose worked day and night,
cranking a hand-operated duplicating machine thousands of times to create the leaflets
which were each stuffed into envelopes, stamped and mailed from various major cities in Southern Germany.
Recipients were chosen from telephone directories and were generally scholars, medics and pub-owners
(which seemed to puzzle the Gestapo - but who better to spread the word or post a leaflet!).<
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America has it's own Die Wasse Rose
who are obsessed with awakening those who today sit back and do nothing.
>who better to spread the word< than we on the internet? http://news.globalfreepress.com/
But advocating violence is wrong and only gives them an excuse to shut down yet another truth website.
Now the words of their leaflets need only a change of names
to apply to Bush's-America instead of Hitler's-Germany. http://www.jlrweb.com/whiterose/leaflets.html
>Nothing is so unworthy of a civilized nation as
allowing itself to be governed without opposition
by an irresponsible clique that has yielded to base instinct.<
(Leaflet #1 of the White Rose)
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From Goethe’s The Awakening of Epimenides, Act II, Scene 4.
SPIRITS:
Though he who has boldly risen from the abyss
Through an iron will and cunning
May conquer half the world,
Yet to the abyss he must return.
Already a terrible fear has seized him;
In vain he will resist!
And all who still stand with him
Must perish in his fall.
HOPE:
Now I find my good men
Are gathered in the night,
To wait in silence, not to sleep.
And the glorious word of liberty
They whisper and murmur,
Till in unaccustomed strangeness,
On the steps of our temple
Once again in delight they cry:
Freedom! Freedom!
(Leaflet #1 of the White Rose)
The Bush Administration, like the 3rd Reich
>can support itself only by constant lies.<
And we, like the opponents of Hitler believe
>our present "state" is the dictatorship of evil<
But, we are America's law abiding political factions,
and rather than violence we seek non-violent solutions:
(ballots-NOT-bullets)
>Through passive resistance, without a doubt.
We cannot provide each man with the blueprint for his acts,
we can only suggest them in general terms,
and he alone will find the way of achieving this end:<
(Leaflet #3 of the White Rose)
___________________________________________
>There is an ancient maxim that we repeat to our children:
"He who won't listen will have to feel."
But a wise child will not burn his fingers the second time on a hot stove.<
(Leaflet #4 of the White Rose)
http://www.jlrweb.com/whiterose/index.html
>February 22, 1943, 9am... Three students from the University of Munich are brought to trial for treason. The trial lasts until 1 pm and by 5 o’clock all are dead. What have these three young people done to cause the top justice of Hitler's People's Court to personally oversee the trial? Why are their voices silenced? And how many more innocent people will have to die before they are heard?
Today, there are many memorials of the White Rose throughout Munich and their story is known to every German. The White Rose may have been silenced too early but their words echo on...
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"Freedom!"<
HOPE:
Now I find my good men & women
Are gathered in the night,
To type in silence, not to sleep.
And the glorious word of liberty
They post and e-mail,
Till in unaccustomed strangeness,
Throughout the land,
Once again in delight they can cry:
Freedom! Freedom!
http://new.globalfreepress.com/article.pl?sid=03/11/27/0539233
Latest Updates from FTAA Miami "Police State"
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Mech
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Sat Nov 29, 2003 7:10 am
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Sahtoga:"There are in amerika, people who, for a living, goad others into criminal activity."
You've got that right...and once they've railroaded you into wholly unfair, corrupt justice system...you are judged in a Kangaroo court that favors TPTB.
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JerseyBluEyz
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I guess this would be considered demoralizing too?
Here is an update on the Miami FTAA issue. Apparently a retired Circuit Judge was not too happy at what he saw during the protest - and I don't mean on the demonstrator's end!
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/122203C.shtml
Judge: I Saw Police Commit Felonies
By Amy Driscoll
The Miami Herald
Saturday 20 December 2003
A judge who said he witnessed some of the anti-free trade protests complains in open court about how police handled the demonstrations.
A judge presiding over the cases of free trade protesters said in court that he saw ''no less than 20 felonies committed by police officers'' during the November demonstrations, adding to a chorus of complaints about police conduct.
Judge Richard Margolius, 60, made the remarks in open court last week, saying he was taken aback by what he witnessed while attending the protests.
''Pretty disgraceful what I saw with my own eyes. And I have always supported the police during my entire career,'' he said, according to a court transcript. ``This was a real eye-opener. A disgrace for the community.''
In the transcript, he also said he may have to remove himself from any additional cases involving arrests made during the Free Trade Area of the Americas summit.
''I probably would have been arrested myself if it had not been for a police officer who recognized me,'' said the judge, who wears his hair in a graying ponytail.
Circuit Judge
Margolius, appointed to the bench in 1982, retired as a circuit judge in 2001 but said he still hears cases 15 to 20 weeks a year when courts are overburdened.
On Friday, he chose not to elaborate on the remarks he made from the bench Dec. 11.
''I can't comment on pending cases,'' he said. ``It was inappropriate for me to make the comments I made. A reasonable person could question my neutrality because of statements I made in open court.''
The judge did not single out a police department. More than three dozen agencies were part of the FTAA security effort. The Miami Police Department coordinated most police operations.
Angel Calzadilla, executive assistant to Miami Police Chief John Timoney, said: ``The chief's not going to comment on something this vague. If the judge would like to file a complaint with the CIP [Citizens Investigative Panel] he can do that like any other citizen.''
Nelda Fonticiella, a spokeswoman for the Miami-Dade Police Department, which had a large presence during the protests, also said the judge can file a complaint. ''It would be our hope and expectation that if this is how he feels, that he would recuse himself from those cases,'' she said.
Margolius had been hearing the cases of Joseph Diamond and Danielle Kilroy, both arrested during the FTAA protests. Diamond had been charged with aggravated assault on a police officer, a felony; the charges were dropped by the state at the Dec. 11 hearing.
Resisting Arrest
Kilroy also faced felony charges -- battery on a police officer and resisting arrest with violence. Her charges were reduced to a single misdemeanor, resisting arrest without violence, according to members of the Miami Activist Defense, a legal group monitoring the court hearings.
During the Dec. 11 hearings, the judge asked an assistant state attorney, ``How many police officers have been charged by the State Attorney so far for what happened out there during the FTAA?''
None, the prosecutor replied.
''None?'' asked the judge. ``Pretty sad commentary. At least from what I saw.''
The judge also wondered aloud how much the ''whole episode'' had cost taxpayers.
''I know one thing. There were police officers from every agency -- I couldn't believe the sheer numbers,'' he said.
Laurel Ripple, a protester who was arrested and is working with MAD, said she was in the courtroom during Margolius' remarks.
''I'm really glad he saw for himself what was happening . . . I'm really glad he was out there,'' she said. ``As a lifelong Miami resident and victim of the police during the FTAA, it was really supportive to hear that kind of affirmation from Judge Margolius.''
The FTAA summit, Nov. 20 and 21, sparked marches and protests in downtown Miami and resulted in 231 arrests. Since then, at least 27 misdemeanors have been dropped, according to prosecutors' records last updated Dec. 2. Additional cases have been dropped or the charges reduced, according to MAD members.
Two citizens' panels plan to hold a joint meeting Jan. 15 to hear comments and complaints about police conduct during the FTAA, and both Miami-Dade and Miami police are conducting internal reviews. Amnesty International, the AFL-CIO and the United Steelworkers of America all have called for independent probes.
A Miami police spokeswoman said officers were instructed to make arrests only as necessary.
Miami Police
''We were told to deal with situations that were serious but we were always told to be very patient with people,'' said Herminia ''Amy'' Salas-Jacobson, a Miami police spokeswoman.
``In the training sessions we were told to be professional, be patient and to do everything right. There was one thing that was stressed at every meeting: Always be professional.''
During Margolius' informal speech, he noted that he couldn't recognize officers because ``everybody had riot gear on.''
''I hope the state has the good, common sense to deal with these cases in an appropriate manner, with an eye on justice,'' he added. |
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Mech
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Well you know...ELITIST GLOBALIST profits come before human rights and National sovereign laws in the new AmeriKa. |
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