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I would have to agree the nummerical system is Egyptian also. Considering all the Masonic rituals also revolve around the Egyptian pantheon. Yet there are many books that contradict eachother on this matter. So it is hard for me to decide what is the prefered method. Maybe I can back-engineer the numbers I got and figure it out that way?
Thanx for the sites I'll check 'em out.
Now for a little more "sight seeing" -
Some who have been reading might wonder what Zion has to do with all of this?
(As if it wasn't obvious) Here is some VERY interesting information I came across by accident.
On September 11, five Israeli army veterans were arrested by the FBI after several witnesses saw them "dancing", "high-fiving", and "celebrating" as they took pictures of the World Trade Center disaster from across the river in New Jersey.
Steven Gordon was the lawyer who volunteered to represent the five Israelis. He was asked by a Hebrew newspaper why the five men were being detained by the FBI. Here's what Gordon told Yediot America:
"On the day of the disaster, three of the five boys went up on the roof of the building where the company office is located," said Gordon. "I'm not sure if they saw the twin towers collapse, but, in any event, they photographed the ruins right afterwards. One of the neighbors who saw them called the police and claimed they were posing, dancing and laughing, against the background of the burning towers. "
Anyhow, the three left the roof, took an Urban truck, and drove to a parking lot, located about a five-minute drive from the offices. They parked, stood on the roof of the truck to get a better view of the destroyed towers and took photographs. A woman who was in the building above the lot testified that she saw them smiling and exchanging high-fives. She and another neighbor called the police and reported on Middle-Eastern looking people dancing on the truck. They copied and reported the license plates.
When the photos were developed, they revealed that the dancing Israelis were smiling in the foreground of the New York massacre. According to ABC's 20/20 attempted whitewash of the incident, in addition to their outrageous and highly suspicious behavior, the five also had in their possession the following items; box-cutters, European passports, and $4700 cash hidden in a sock. Why were these Israeli agents so happy about the horrible massacre that was unfolding right before their very eyes? What evil spirit could possess people who are supposed to be America's "allies", and who receive billions of dollars in financial and military aid from US taxpayers each year , to publicly rejoice as innocent people (including many American Jews) were burning to death and jumping out of 110 story buildings? Could it be that these happy Israeli army veterans were in some way linked to this monstrous attack? That's what officials close to the investigation initially told The Bergen Record newspaper of New Jersey.
The five Israelis made such a spectacle that everyone who saw them felt compelled to call the police. According to ABC's 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering Israelis was stopped by the police, the first words out of the driver's (Sivan Kurzberg) lying mouth were: "We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem." The police and FBI field agents became really suspicious when they found box cutters (the same items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports. Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives.
From there, the story gets becomes even more suspicious. The Israelis worked for a Weehawken moving company known as Urban Moving Systems. An American employee of Urban Moving Systems told the Bergen Record that a majority of his co-workers were Israelis and they were all joking about the attacks. The employee, who declined to give his name said: "I was in tears. These guys were joking and that bothered me."
A few days after the attacks, Urban Moving System's Israeli owner, Dominick Suter, dropped his business and fled the country. He was in such a hurry to flee America that some of Urban Moving System's customers were left with their furniture stuck in storage facilities. The five Israeli army veterans (Mossad) were held in custody for several months before being quietly released. Some of the movers had been kept in solitary confinement for 40 days.
Immediately following the attacks, the Zionist controlled media was filled with stories linking the attacks to Bin Laden. TV talking-heads and scribblers of every stripe spoon-fed a gullible American public a steady diet of the most outrageous propaganda imaginable. We were told that the reason Bin Laden attacked the USA was because he hates our "freedom" and "democracy". The Muslims were "medieval" and they wanted to destroy us because of our wealth. But Bin Laden strongly denied any role in the attacks and suggested that Zionists orchestrated the 9-11 attacks:
"I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks....The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States." - Osama Bin Laden 
I think Hitler said someting just like this but I can't find the quote just yet...
Some more interesting quotes that Mech may be interested in:
The observation that Zionists dominate the American media, government, academia, and Hollywood has been made by many prominent Americans and is easily verifiable by public information.
"If after having elected their man or group, obedience is not rendered to the Jewish control, then you speedily hear of "scandals" and "investigations" and "impeachments" for the removal of the disobedient. Usually a man with a "past" proves the most obedient instrument, but even a good man can often be tangled up in campaign practices that compromise him. It has been commonly known that Jewish manipulation of American election campaigns have been so skillfully handled, that no matter which candidate was elected, there was ready made a sufficient amount of evidence to discredit him in case his Jewish masters needed to discredit him." - Henry Ford
"Their greatest danger to this country lies in the Jewish ownership and influence in our motion pictures, our press, our radio, and our government." - Charles Lindbergh
Admiral Thomas Moorer, Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff under Ronald Reagan said this:
"I've never seen a President -- I don't care who he is -- stand up to them [the Israelis]. It just boggles the mind. They always get what they want. The Israelis know what is going on all the time. If the American people understood what a grip those people have got on our government, they would rise up in arms. Our citizens certainly don't have any idea what goes on."
While a guest on ABC's Face the Nation, William Fulbright - US Senator and Chairman of the US Foreign Relations committee - said this before a national television audience:
"Israel controls the United States Senate. We should be more concerned about the United States' interests."
Nationally syndicated columnist and former presidential candidate Patrick Buchanan said:
"The United States Congress is Israeli occupied territory."
And US religious leader Billy Graham and President Richard Nixon once had the following exchange, which was caught on tape:
GRAHAM: "The Jewish stranglehold on the media has got to be broken or this country's going down the drain".
NIXON: "You believe that?"
GRAHAM: "Yes, sir."
NIXON: "Oh boy. So do I. I can't ever say that but I do believe it"
But enough of quoting others. Let's look at the facts of Zionist control.
FACT: ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, UPN, The Washington Post, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Daily News, Time Magazine, Newsweek, People Magazine, US News and World Report and countless other media and Hollywood companies all have either a Zionist CEO, a Zionist News Chief, or are owned by a media conglomerate which has a Zionist CEO.
Have you ever noticed how Hollywood movies always seem to portray Germans and Arabs as a bigoted fanatics or as terrorists? Now you know why!
FACT: AIPAC, the Israeli lobbying organization, is the most feared lobby in Washington DC. By their own admission, they are capable of unseating Congressmen and Senators that do not carry out their requests. The majority of Congressmen from both political parties receive large donations from AIPAC. Writing for the Nation Magazine, journalist Michael Massing explains:
"AIPAC is widely regarded as the most powerful foreign-policy lobby in Washington. Its 60,000 members shower millions of dollars on hundreds of members of Congress on both sides of the aisle." Newspapers like the New York Times fear the Jewish lobby organizations as well. "It's very intimidating," said a correspondent at another large daily. "The pressure from these groups is relentless."
FACT: The Pentagon is under the control of a hard core Zionist named Richard Perle. The civilian Defense Policy Board actually wields more control over the military establishment than the Defense Secretary or the generals and admirals. There are a number of other Zionists who serve on the board (Kissinger, Cohen, Schlessinger) as well as non-jewish members who have always supported Israel and the expansion of the "War on Terror". The notoriously belligerent Perle, nicknamed the "The Prince of Darkness", is Chairman of the Board.
The pices are falling faster than I can put them together.
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Some more good work there! If and when you figure out the numerological system, please let me know! But I’m sure you’ll find our instincts in this are correct. There was another site I wanted to give you but had to wait until I got home to find it:
Excellent one: http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/chapter3/index.htm
In case you didn't figure it out, here's the link at Wikipedia on Numerology that I told you about above. Sorry, I was at work and was rushing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerology
I also remembered another recent post of mine, from over at MOD, where I contemplated the number 5 and the Washington Monument one day. Here it goes:
In ancient Egypt, obelisks were originally associated with sun worship. The ancients looked at the sun as the giver of life - a god. Since sexual union also produces life, the phallus was used as another symbol of life. Masonry is simply a revival of this old religion. This is why their symbols are phallic in meaning and common to the Brotherhood (obelisks). There are 5 famous obelisks (outside of Egypt) in – Washington, London, Rome, Paris, and New York. You will generally find a dome-type building (which represents the female) not far from an obelisk (i.e. Washington Monument – Capital Building). The archetype for this male/female combination is a point within a circle.
The number 5 is commonly used in magic and rituals and is a prominent occult number - as in the 5-pointed star, a pentagram. Each point symbolizes one of the rites of the 5 points of fellowship. It symbolizes the ability to control the lower elements and power over the human will. This number is sacred to the Illuminati. The 5 founders of the Illuminati performed witchcraft rituals known as "The greater and lesser keys of Solomon". This involved the "Pentacle of Invocation." Note, the Rothschild family consisted of 5 sons of Moses Amschel Bauer – he changed his name to Rothschild because it means “red shield” (rotes-schild in German) and was incorporated into the family coat of arms. John D. Rockefeller also had 5 sons to control the American branch.
The greatest intensification of a number is in triplicate (111, 222, 333…). So, it is no coincidence that the Washington Monument is 555 feet tall. It is also 55 feet wide at the base. Please note an additional Masonic symbol in Washington, DC - the Pentagon – it has 5 sides.
Further symbolic afterthought regarding the number 5:
The U.S. started the invasion of Iraq on March 20, 2003, exactly 555 days after September 11, 2001. Also, the Iraq War began at 05:50 – Iraqi time.
A symbolic afterthought regarding 9/11:
The world is represented by a circle (the World Trade Center). The pentagram is represented by the 5-pointed star (Pentagon). Combine the two you get a circle with a pentagram inside. This is the most powerful symbol of satanic ceremonial rites and symbolizes domination over the earth elements (ghosts of earth, demons of air, phantoms of water, spirits of fire).
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"Classic numerology resolves all numbers related to an item down to a single digit, 0-9 or 1-9" - from wikipedia.org
In that book I metioned "Three books of Occult Philosophy" it is said that 2 is the first number since it is the first divisible and the first union. One stands all alone for it is all numbers.
SO with that in mind let's us the nummerology method but instead of 0-9 or 1-9 let's use 2-10.
a=2 b=3 c=4 d=5 e=6 f=7 g=8 h=9 i=10
j=2 k=3 l=4 m=5 n=6 o=7 p=8 q=9 r=10
s=2 t=3 u=4 v=5 w=6 x=7 y=8 z=9
ok, now notice where the letter W falls: 6
You will not be able to buy sell or trade without the mark of the beast? Mark on the hand and forehead? Those who are wise will calculate the mark as 666?
Watch as the government pushes us to buy sell and trade on the net. How do you use the net? HAND on mouse, FOREHEAD on screen and let's not forget the number of the beast WWW. I mean 666!
Maybe I got something. I gotta get deeper on that one. But it creeps me out to say the least.
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Further symbolic afterthought regarding the number 5:
The U.S. started the invasion of Iraq on March 20, 2003, exactly 555 days after September 11, 2001. Also, the Iraq War began at 05:50 – Iraqi time.
Wow Jersey!!! I was not aware of such things! This is only more fuel for my fire! I figure that with all these obvious facts put together in an orderly fashion and presented with pictures and diagrams, then even the "sheep" cannot ignore it!
It will be easy to nail the Masonic connections but where the whole master theory gets "sticky" is pulling in communion with demons, devils, spirits and the like through ritual. Not to mention all past evidence of E.T. influence, Mars, alternate reality(s), mind control and the enslavement of the human race...
I want to make the theory that pulls them all together under one roof. A theory that is tangible and very hard to ignore. Something to jump-start the blind and really stir up the vets, know what I mean?
I think I'm very close with my pesonal notes and vast library. Not to mention the Web and seekers like you.
There is just soooo much to sort through and put into chronological order, then seperate the B.S. from things with creedence. It will be a vast project. It has become my full-time past-time.
I seek only the strong, who have grown tired of lies, misconception, threats, and a history of violence on behalf of the human race due to lack of understanding and tolerance. The light of truth will unleash blows of justice on the keepers of shadows.
to be continued....
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I was not aware that the Iraq War began 555 days after 911 either until I read the comment in something Mech posted. His post is what got me questioning the number 5 in the first place. BTW, The 05:50 is mirror imaging. Look into that sometime if you haven’t already.
Looks like you’re on the right track for figuring out the number scheme. Once you latch onto the right one, you’ll have your V8 moment and know without a doubt you’ve stumbled on the answer. This got me thinking about numbers a little. The number 0 is a whole and complete number (the only perfect number) because you can’t change it no matter what you do to it. You can’t add, subtract, multiply, or divide into it. This is why the circle represents All That Is = God Mind. So it would make sense NOT to include it in a Masonic connection. But I’m not too sure about number 1. In an insane reality, which is our current physical state, number 1 is representative of self and it stands alone - same as a physical body. So why wouldn’t 1 be used as the base number in the sequence – you would then use 1 – 9 no? Do you understand what I’m trying to say here? Also, when you get into double digits (beginning with 10) that would change the symbolic meaning of the next set. But then again, my mind is trained to look at things from a spiritual perspective and that logic might not be appropriate in this case. You could also say that in an insane AND negative reality, 2-10 would make sense. Oh boy, you figure it out – ha! I have no doubt you will.
Good luck on compiling your research. I’m sure it will all turn out grand. Share anytime!
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My god!
I was just going through the Chemtrail site and came across something defender posted:
555 ft = 6660 inches !
11 - 12 - 13 - 14 Broken down and you have
2 - 3 = 4 - 5. Add them all up and break them all down!
11 + 93 + 175 + 77 = 356 = 14 = 5
11 + 12 + 13 + 14 = 50 = 5
2 + 3 + 4 + 5 = 14 = 5
back to 555....
Can this stuff get any crazier?
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quote:
Originally posted by Bhang:
Can this stuff get any crazier?
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quote:
So why wouldn’t 1 be used as the base number in the sequence – you would then use 1 – 9 no? Do you understand what I’m trying to say here? Also, when you get into double digits (beginning with 10) that would change the symbolic meaning of the next set.
Well, according to Agrippa the number 1 is the supreme monad and unlike 0, can be used in any number dreamed of. Since 2 is the FIRST union of numbers, FIRST divisible of numbers and FIRST multiple, he claims it as the FIRST number. Most of Agrippa's sources are the greats such as Plato, Aristotle, etc.
As far as ten... Agrippa says that the numbers 1 - 15 all have UNIQUE virtues and he decribes them all in great detail. After 15, numbers take on the virtues of multiple numbers. ei. virtue of 10 combined with virtue of 6 composes the virtues of 16....
Anyways -
Back to 9/11.
You ever notice on the morn' of 9/11 that the President was "reading" to the children?
He must have been nervous knowing that thousands of people were about to be sacraficed to "the Gods".
Do you know what the story he read was about?
A goat.
I noticed that the whole backdrop of the scene was rather Patriotic, don't you think?
Maybe too Patriotic.
Consider how Patriot Act 2 came along right after 9/11. Notice the Constitution behind ol' Bush? And the Statue of Liberty.... or is it the godess Isis? And the damn book even say America. When is enough enough?
It makes me ill to think it was all planned to paint a "pretty" picture of patriotism for the sheeple just to take it away.
Like they flaunt their pride and have no shame in their evil works.
damn the man.
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From: http://www.representativepress.org/whylie.html
Bush Lied to the American People about 9/11 Terrorists' Motives
Bush's lie hides from many Americans the fact that we were attacked by Al-Qaeda because of specific foreign polices and not because we are the"brightest beacon of freedom and opportunity"
We don't deserve to be lied to. What Bush lied about was WHY WE WERE TARGETED. The day after the worst terrorist attack in American history, President Bush addressed the nation. Those looking for an explanation for why the terrorists attacked America got only a lie. Bush claimed, "America was targeted for attack because we're the brightest beacon for freedom and opportunity in the world." But the truth was revealed in the FBI’s statement to Congress and bin Laden’s own words: Opposition to U.S. military forces in the Persian gulf area, most notably Saudi Arabia, U.S. support of corrupt Middle Eastern countries, U.S. support for Israel’s brutal occupation and the ongoing assault on civilians in Iraq.
The FBI testified clearly that Al-Qeada had specific goals. "One of the primary goals of Sunni extremists is the removal of U.S. military forces from the Persian gulf area, most notably Saudi Arabia." - The Terrorist Threat Confronting the United States The FBI made it clear that the terrorism was done "in order to overthrow all governments[in Muslim lands, check what Osama and Richard Reid have actually said] which are not ruled by Sharia (conservative Islamic) law." That is what the FBI has said the motives are.
Here is what a terrorism expert says: In fact, says terrorism expert Richard E. Rubenstein, Bin Laden has made clear in previous remarks that he is seeking to force a U.S. withdrawal from the Arabian peninsula. He also hopes to destabilize pro-Western regimes in the Middle East and possibly provoke a U.S. military response that will further anger and alienate the Muslim world. "It's actually quite clear what he wants," Richard E. Rubenstein says. "What makes him different is not what he wants, but the way he proposes to get it."
Now here is what Osama bin Laden has said:"The Western regimes and the government of the US bear the blame for what might happen. If their people do not wish to be harmed inside their very own countries, they should seek to elect governments that are truly representative of them and that can protect their interests."-bin Laden, May 1998. "We swore that America wouldn't live in security until we live it truly in Palestine. This showed the reality of America, which puts Israel's interest above its own people's interest. America won't get out of this crisis until it gets out of the Arabian Peninsula, and until it stops its support of Israel." -bin Laden, Oct. 2001 Here is what the shoe bomber (Richard Reid) has said:"The reason for me sending you (a document he calls his "will") is so you can see that I didn't do this act out of ignorance nor did I just do it because I want to die, but rather because I see it as a duty upon me to help remove the oppressive American forces from the Muslim land and that this is the only way for us to do so as we do not have other means to fight them." Now what did the President say? He told us a lie that we are being targeted because we are the "brightest beacon of freedom and opportunity in the world".
The lie is about why we were targeted, not about if we are "the brightest beacon." Yes, we are the "the brightest beacon for freedom and opportunity in the world" but the point is President Bush is lying when he uses that as the reason for why we were attacked. The truth is we were targeted for attack because of specific foreign policies which are objected to by Al-Qaeda.
Bush deceives Americans about the terrorists motives to shield U.S. foreign policies from public scrutiny, his first concern is the special interests he serves. He does not respect our right to the truth and the media is just as bad.
The cover story that Bush feeds the American people robs the American people of the chance to decide for themselves if they want to continue to be put in harm's way over specific foreign polices.
Not one mainstream media reporter pointed out that Bush lied, the media for the most part played along with the official lie. [After two years the chance to hear the truth has improved, David Corn has a new book that identifies this particular lie of President Bush.] Who, what, where, when and why are standard press questions but when it came to 9/11 most of the media avoided the why. The media has provided a very poor public forum for anyone wanting to understand why America was targeted. CNN’s Paula Zahn even questioned the very idea that a person could understand why America was targeted. Paula Zahn: “Professor, let me jump in here, but implicit in that -- aren't you saying that you understand why America was targeted?”
Noam Chomsky: “Do I understand? Yes, so does the U.S. intelligence services, so does all of scholarship. I mean, we can ignore it if we like, and therefore lead to further terrorist attacks, or we can try to understand.”
Graham E. Fulller, former CIA, warned in 1998, “It is dangerous to divorce terrorism from politics, yet the U.S. media continue to talk about an abstract war against terrorism without mention of the issues or context that lie behind them.
President Bush cares more about the special interests he serves than the American people. President Bush obviously lies to the American people for an ugly reason. He lies to cover the real motives because the powerful people who push the agendas he serves don't want U.S. foreign policy to change. The cover story that Bush feeds the American people robs the American people of the chance to decide for themselves if they want to continue to be put in harm's way over specific foreign polices. If the American people knew why they were attacked, the American people might rightly question if the actions of U.S. foreign policy actually serve their own needs. We may question why we are being put in this situation. We may question why we are being put in harm's way and for exactly what reasons. We may decide that the policies are not serving the real American interests: the interests of the average American.
The Press that has played along with the agendas of powerful groups by not pointing out that the President has lied to the American people. Both the President and the Press rob the American people of the chance to decide if they want to continue to risk their lives for policies that are basically unjust and benefit corrupt business interests including the Israeli agenda.
Bush told the American Public a lie: "America was targeted for attack because we're the brightest beacon for freedom and opportunity in the world."
The FBI stated the real primary reason why America was targeted: U.S. military forces in the Persian gulf area and U.S. backing of corrupt Middle East governments.
Osama bin Laden has himself stated the two primary motives above and these two other motives: U.S. support for Israel which has violated the human rights of millions of people and the sanctions against Iraq which has killed over a million people.
When President Bush lies to us about why we were attacked, he serves special interests instead of the American people. We don't owe him or these special interests a damn thing. We don't "have to" continue these policies, polices that they didn't want us to know about.
Here is what David Corn wrote about Bush's September 11 lie in the Nation: [with my comments]
"As many Americans and others yearned to make sense of the evil attacks of September 11, Bush elected to share with the public a deceptively simplistic explanation of this catastrophe.[ Bush's deception serves the interests of special interests that push the specific foreign polices we are getting targeted over] Repeatedly, he said that the United States had been struck because of its love of freedom. "America was targeted for attack," he maintained, "because we're the brightest beacon for freedom and opportunity in the world." This was shallow analysis, a comic-book interpretation of the event that covered up complexities and denied Americans information crucial for developing a full understanding of the attacks.[ I agree. I think it should be pointed at that this crucial information is being denied intentionally so that the American people don't question the specific foreign policies] In the view Bush furnished, Osama bin Laden was a would-be conqueror of the world, a man motivated solely by irrational evil, who killed for the purpose of destroying freedom. [Because of the lies, many Americans have this distorted view of what bin Laden and Al-Qaeda actually want and what they don't want]
But as the State Department's own terrorism experts--as well as nongovernment experts--noted, bin Laden was motivated by a specific geostrategic and theological aim: to chase the United States out of the Middle East in order to ease the way for a fundamentalist takeover of the region. Peter Bergen, a former CNN producer and the first journalist to arrange a television interview with bin Laden, observes in his book Holy War, Inc., "What [bin Laden] condemns the United States for is simple: its policies in the Middle East." [In his book he includes: Those are, to recap briefly: the continued U.S. military presence in Arabia; U.S. support for Israel; its continued bombing of Iraq; and its support for regimes such as Egypt and Saudi Arabia that bin Laden regards as apostates from Islam] Rather than acknowledge the realities of bin Laden's war on America, Bush attempted to create and perpetuate a war-on-freedom myth."
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Here is a letter I wrote someone who didn't understand Chomsky's 9/11 book (or didn't want to understand it):
Dear Mr. Lockard:
In your review of Noam Chomsky's 9/11 you wrote, "They did so for their own reasons, apparently religio-cultural xenophobia, and certainly not out of compassion for the struggles of other peoples for self-determination. "
If you had taken the time you could have found out what the motives actually were. The terrorism we face is a matter of life and death and it is a necessity to do the research into why these things are happening.
The FBI testified as to motive before the Senate. As any criminal investigator they looked at what bin Laden has actually said. What is provoking the terrorism is not complicated and bin Laden has explained it many times for several years: Opposition to U.S. military forces in the Persian gulf area, most notably Saudi Arabia, U.S. support of corrupt Middle Eastern countries, U.S. support for Israel’s brutal occupation and the ongoing assault on civilians in Iraq.
Your assertion about what they "certainly" didn't attack us because of compassion for the struggles of other peoples for self-determination is unnecessary demonization. The fact is horrible wrongs are being carried by U.S. foreign polices and it is arrogant to think it is not possible that people could be reacting to this fact. When you wrong peoples you can't expect to dictate how some will respond, even if their response is wrong. Yes bin Laden wants a certain form of Islamic rule but he uses a broad appeal to very real and very legitimate grievances and in so doing gains support from even those that may not want exactly the version of government he seeks to establish in the Muslim world.
Nat Turner convinced several other blacks to engage in terrorism, killing dozens of whites. It would be dishonest not to admit the role slavery had in motivating these blacks to do what they did. It was an example of two wrongs. But it is important to keep in mind that to claim that these blacks did it because they were religious freaks is dishonest. It would be manipulative to claim that all these blacks believed in Nat Turners "signs from God" and that a religious and "anti-white" motive was all there was to it. Today I think we can see clearly that the wrongs of slavery were the motivating reasons for Nat Turner and his fellow terrorist's terrorism. And we can see that it is possible for two wrongs to take place.
Every time I read an article that doesn't acknowledge that President Bush had the audacity to lie to America about why we were attacked, I am reminded just how extreme the political environment is in America today.
The bottom line is Bush lied to America about why we were attacked. http://www.representativepress.org/whylie.html (you will find a link to the FBI's testimony there) The corrupt polices (a case of two wrongs) are kept safe from public scrutiny by a President who prefers to feed the public a huge lie (so that people don't question what it is they are being put in harm's way for)
From what I remember, the book 9/11 wasn't the best presentation of Chomsky's analysis (although it was good) I suggest you read more of Chomsky because what he says makes sense here is a page I transcribed, it includes a link to the whole audio interview with Chomsky. ChomskyInterview Here is a key part of it:
Dick Gordon: But you do that from a very clinical academic point of view.
Noam Chomsky: It’s not academic. I don’t want to have other terrorist atrocities in the United States. And if you want to reduce terrorist atrocities, if you’re even sane, the first thing you do is look at their causes. If you don’t want to look at their causes you’ll just increase the atrocities. I mean that’s just elementary, there’s nothing academic about it. I mean that’s for my grandchildren. I don’t want them to be attacked. So therefore I want to know the reasons why things like this happen. If we want to know the reasons why things like this happen we are going to have to search the record. And there we will find the reasons.
As I had started to say, you can go back 40 years and find President Eisenhower talking about the campaign of hatred against us in the Middle East and you’ll find the National Security council giving the reasons. People in the region perceive the United States, rightly they say, as supporting oppressive harsh governments which block democracy and development and doing it because we want control of their oil resources. You can find the same things when the Wall Street Journal does analyses of opinion there today. Yeah, we caught to pay attention to that.
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