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Chem11
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Strieber responds to 'attacks'
 Sat Apr 28, 2001 10:42 pm
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Whitley's latest journal entry is perhaps even more troubling than his last, rife with contradictions and the acrid odor of hypocrisy, I am left with even more questions concerning his recent conduct:
If I was asked to serve my country in an intelligence capacity, I would have to think long and hard before I said no.
Okay....but...
If the truth about the use of children ever comes out, my guess is that we will dismantle our existing intelligence system and build a new one--a process that is long overdue, anyway.
So using children as sexual bait is not an activity Strieber finds repulsive enough to preclude his involvement with the intelligence community?
I feel sick. I shook this man's hand. Right about now I want to cut it off, lest this intellectual and moral disease he seems to have recently contracted proves to be contagious.
http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal/ |
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nsasucks
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Sat Apr 28, 2001 11:01 pm
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If the truth, Whitley, ever comes out about you, you will be lynched. BTW, the truth has come out.
I know, why don't you sell us some more evidence for 10 bucks, so you can give us another history lesson. I mean a truth that ground-breaking shouldn't be for free, right?
Better yet, why don't you do that to drag out of the woodwork, all the people who are interested in the subject, so the agency can know who they are. Yeah...that's the ticket.
Try regressive hypnosis, but this time without agency head-shrinkers...you might find...as many of us did...that those were RUBBER MASKS that technicians were wearing, when the mem caps were being installed.
But do us a real favor...make those same statements and these others, on the radio so the public can Speech Reverse you and get to the truth we already know about.
1. I am not a Mkid.
2. I have never been abducted by the military.
3. I have never been contracted by the agency or any intelligence org.
You would be doing yourself a favor.
If you are sincere - you are a victim. If you are doing this in full consciousness, you are simply another face of the Beast. |
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Chem11
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Sat Apr 28, 2001 11:53 pm
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Something you alluded to in your last post sent my spidey-sense into overdrive, NSA.
The going rate for truth at unkowncountry these days is actually $19.95, which seems a little exorhbitant for a short story in digital format.
You can not purchase this 'information' at a bookstore, anonymously.
Only online. With your credit card and a 'secure' connection.
Presumably, there will be a list compiled of everyone who has purchased this.. program.
And their identities.
I wonder how much that sells for...
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nsasucks
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Sun Apr 29, 2001 1:54 am
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Chem: you got it. These things and agents like Ecker, Streiber, Scallion, Dames, et al were to do two things:
1. Explain and cover military abductions. As the numbers is nearing a million, they needed a LH in place as the public was seeing the testing of their gravlevs and people were having problems with their programming.
2. Draw out the non-sheep or potential non-sheep. And with your own money, too. Just think, you get an active agency file for 19.95 and YOU PAID FOR IT.
Isn't life just grand here on Earth? |
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nsasucks
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Sun Apr 29, 2001 1:58 am
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I was advised this am that I and my friend the writer are about to be the recipients of a smear campaign within the next ten days or so.
I wonder what it will be?
You know, I never really slandered Streiber - he showed his colors all on his own, without any help from us. I still believe he is an mkid - I know it in fact. That being said...I hope he can get away...but I doubt it...a guy that big in the public eye is NOT about to be let away and if he were to try - anyone of them really - they would be "heart-attacked." |
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3T3L1
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Sun Apr 29, 2001 2:35 am
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Mr. Sucks,
Assuming they go ahead and smear you (what will they say, that you use colorful language and believe in chemtrails--gasp)...
...is there anything we can do to help you?
The truth is the truth. It always, eventually, will stand on its own, no matter who says it. |
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nsasucks
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Sun Apr 29, 2001 2:45 am
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I'm not worried about reality - I've pretty much openly stated who i am and where I've been. They would HAVE TO MAKE STUFF UP, to do any imagined damage - and anything they fab can be disproved.
See...with guys like Oates, they sent in a woman who got him to start doing porno/phone stuff on the internet with her. Remember? Bell, Hoagland, and others were trying to destroy him - but only with lies that they later admitted were made up; they couldn't get to him (Oct 98 thru mar 99) then, their profiling revealed his weakness (loose um...women) - they sent in a woman, who after a month, then took her phone conversations and internet pix (they were doing the internet version of phone sex, but with those little cameras that sit on your monitor) and plastered them everywhere. Well.....naturally Bell and the others who were orginally trying to run him into the ground ran with the new data and he was disgraced from public life. The real downfall wasn't Oates, but the severe blow Reverse Speech received and has NEVER recovered from. That's how the agency works.
Now in my case...I just am immune. They send about a dozen women a year at me, but I see them coming and am VERY loyal to my family. I don't do drugs, so that's out. I don't make explosives or attend militia meetings so that's out. I know they have millions of pictures of me (they have ALL our pictures, yours, mine, blah) but to do something stupid would require a willing witness who would be willing to impeach herself and that won't wash, because my attornies would Lie Detector her, VTA her, and Rspeech her, just for starters.
yeah...I am interested to see what it is and from which of my new "friends" it will come from. What I like about it is (making lemonaide out of lemons) is all the great military depositions I will get to make public...AND I WILL. |
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Delphi
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Sun Apr 29, 2001 5:21 am
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NSA, Geez, I wish I'd have had a computer a couple of years sooner so I could have been privy to more of what is really going on in the world. I feel so stupid...I bought his books and bought into some of the explanations and even wrote a letter about my "unusual" experiences...it is a good way to learn about people and have them pay for it...although, I suppose I've been on the "list" for a long time anyway...being a UFO/Researcher and investigator and when in my 20's, actually reported sightings to Maguire Air-force Base in New Jersey. When I think back on it now, what an IDIOT!!! How I could have been so stupid. My childhood was weird with lots of "odd" flashbacks...we didn't live all that far from Montauk but I guess that kinda stuff goes on all over the place, unfortunately. I've made good adjustments and have had a good life after I left Jersey, that's the main thing, I guess...but it is crappy to think folks who are writing their version of the truth may be exploiting us...it is down right F#$%^&! Sorry for the rant, Blessings, Joanne |
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cydoniaquest
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Sun Apr 29, 2001 9:28 am
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Chem11....I think you may be over-reacting a bit. Whitley's show does what it does very well, it entertains. So does Art Bell's show, and I for one am greatfull for having such an alternative on the radio. As a talk radio fan, the variety that this genre presents opens the mind to so many other things than politics, and I find that refreshing (even though I‘m very much into politics).....but it’s important to remember that Whitley is first and foremost a talk show host and author, not a politician or military leader. I don't think you can hold him to that same standard. My take on his quote was that he would not want to put himself in harm's way as some of these people in the CIA do on a daily basis....but then he also says: "But if I was called to put my life on the line for my country, to go secretly into some hard place, I would not hesitate". What's wrong with honesty? Here's that quote in context:
However, I also say this: if I was asked to serve my country in an intelligence capacity, I would have to think long and hard before I said no. Our intelligence community is not perfect, and there is still a lot that needs to be told, obviously. But it is also true that there are brave people in the CIA and other intelligence gathering organizations protecting our security and our freedom at the risk of their own lives. They are doing this hard, unsung and terribly dangerous job even though the CIA has huge problems and many of them probably find its history as disgusting as I do. They are working for the CIA so that we can live in safety and remain free, and I have nothing but respect for them.
So I feel that anyone who would consider that calling somebody a "CIA asset" is an ipso-facto condemnation, are themselves probably pretty unpatriotic. I am not in any way associated with the intelligence community and I never have been. But if I was called to put my life on the line for my country, to go secretly into some hard place, I would not hesitate.
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nsasucks
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Sun Apr 29, 2001 10:08 am
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BEGIN RANT HERE:
I think that when people really start looking at what the agency is and has been for the last fifty years, they will realize that intelligence gathering and serving this country is definately NOT what the CIA does.
It creates dictatorships.
It coordinates the heroin and cocaine trade.
It kills free thought
It has developed unspeakable horrors to be used against innocent men, women, and children.
It assassinates legally elected leaders.
It protects and serve Big Money interests, while hiding behind the old red menace scare.
It controls the media.
It kidnaps children, tortures them, and turns them into basically dead humans to be used against other innocents; once the children/people are used up, they are destroyed.
The blow up buildings and order the shoot down of passenger airlines; all to kill one person, no matter the collateral damage.
It murders activists and potential activists.
It murders religious leaders it does not control.
Anyone who can look at the agency as "the good guys" is either a dupe who does not know, or a piece of s!@#. There is no grey area. If you know the above and still think these feinds are good and here to help the American people, then delusion is an understatment.
Streiber knows. He thinks there are just "a few bad apples." Statements like he is making now prove to me that he is NOT an unconscious victim, but more like a conscious field agent on assignment. THe show is the cover, the front, the cut-out...not to entertain...but to mislead and lie to you and me. My god...you have to see this.
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Delphi
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Sun Apr 29, 2001 10:13 am
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CIA isn't even supposed to operate in the U.S The CIA even hate the FBI, the CIA are people without scrupples and no civilian would or should be asked to throw-in with them because their games and "stakes" are too high to risk on "Joe Average American".The average citizen will never be asked to fight by their side...They wouldn't ask Whit, unless, of course, he already is "shop"! What branch of service was Whit in...he's probably one of those "dummie" Navy Intel. Tucking in now...pleasant dreams...We can all dream of MIB'S jumping over fences or something!  |
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Chem11
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Sun Apr 29, 2001 10:23 am
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Well, Cydoniaquest, you're right. I am being very hard on Strieber. But with what I believe to be ample cause. Personal attacks are nothing new to Strieber, he has endured them on a daily basis since Communion was first published.
Whitley's response, I believe, has more to do with the recent 'push-off' he has given the CT community and the resulting furor surrounding it.
I originally posted a thread, "Whitley Strieber, debunker?" over at carnicom that was perhaps even more critical. A lot of very active people within the community were equally critical. As Lorie K, stated "you just watched a man shoot himself in the foot".
Even particpants in his own forum were angry and confused.
Do me a favor. Go over to his site and access the previous journal entry. Now substitute the word UFO for chemtrail.
The absurdity of his arguements and the underlying hypocrisy shoud be self-evident.
Something stinks to high-heaven here and it has nothing to do with entertainment.
It has to do with intentionally mis-representing the facts. Here's a couple...
1)The Strieber thread was erased. There were appx. 70 posts, all of them critical of Strieber. Half the people thought he had lost his alleged mind, the other half were screaming 'agency'!
2) Striebers next journal entry deals exclusively with accusations that he is attempting to sweep certain 'conspiracy theories' under the rug and his own purported ties to intelligence agencies.
If these accusations are as unsubstantiated as he claims, why is he reacting so vociferously? And why now?
It's completley out of character for Whitley.
I can think of only two reasons. Either this 'chemsoup' has dramtically altered his core personality and his abilities to reason or...
He has been bought and paid for.
Time will tell. |
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cydoniaquest
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Sun Apr 29, 2001 10:44 am
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Now Dreamland was originally Art's show, and Art could probably get rid of Whitley at any time if he so chooses, and the networks won‘t even question....but what difference does it make then what Whitley believes regarding chemtrails, when Art continues to interview people like William Thomas on a regular basis? I could be wrong, but I think Whitley is also doing an upcoming show with Thomas. People get so wrapped up in their belief systems that when anyone like Whitley says something counter to them, they automatically attack and assume the worst. If Whitley was bought and paid for.....someone better buy off Art Bell too, because he controls the whole shebang and believes in the reality of chemtrails the other 5 nights a week that Whitley isn't on!
As to NSA's points....well they are hearsay and opinion. Some are probably based on some truth...others based on fiction and invention. NSA's whole argument asks us to believe he is really who he says he is, in order for his arguments to be valid. Even then, he asks us to assume he’s been everywhere and has seen everything regarding covert agencies. In other words, he is asking us to just take his word for it. Therein lies the rub..
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Chem11
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Sun Apr 29, 2001 11:13 am
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Well, I'll tell 'ya. It makes a difference when people from the debunking community, and you know damn well who I'm talking about, start letter-writing campaigns to indepedent media outlets saying don't run any more chemtrail stories, even Art's buddy says it's time to cool it.
That's how public opinion is formed.
That's how people are misled.
And if you think that this doesn't happen, then I suggest you take a look at the disinfo thread I recently posted that documents the Moore/Bennewitz scandal and how devestating it can be for it's intended targets.
You seem to be a calm voice of reason in this debate, CQ, which I appreciate. But my gut instinct tells me differently.
And I always go with the gut.
Now, as far NSA's assertions regarding the CIA, I believe that 10 out of the 11 activities he describes can be thoroughly documented. And those aren't bad numbers.
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nsasucks
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Sun Apr 29, 2001 5:32 pm
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Well CQ, until this morning I just thought you were another intelligenct board user who commented intelligently on the facts. Sayign thse well established items I listed are heresay is simply unbelievable.
Every item I listed has been corroborated not only in congressional hearings, but miles of first person testimony and evidence that has gone way beyond theory and for decades now.
Attacking my character by saying I not who I say I am or whatever just made the posters here who have known me for years and who call me regularly all laugh...and they now believe you are agency or some version of it.
And today, I believe them. I am glad Whitley has you defending him. I am glad the CIA has you defending them. And you are lucky to be doing it from the safety of your board...I know people who would love to get their hands on an agency lackey. |
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