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Boomer Chick
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Originally posted by swamp gas:
Welcome Boomer Chick,
We have to go against standard New World Order media programming to see this.
Even my mother-in-law, who in Oct 2001 was saying how great Bush is, now hates his guts.
The most ridiculous assertion of all was the pristine passport of Atta found in the rubble of the WTC, which vaporized everything organic inside the plane.
WHo did it? Can't say 100%, but I do know it was not what NBCNNABCBSFOXNPR said it is.
Thanks, Swamp Gas!
Yeah, I read about that, too! All the evidence is piling up and it's quite the picture! Back in 2002, I didn't believe that chemtrails even existed either! Wow! It's been many months of reading and thinking to get where I am and you are. I would even go so far as to suspect that the Pentagon crash was no airliner, which I poo-pooed at the beginning of all this! I have the best link on WTC and have to find it! One of our board members on NWD yahoo has been dedicated to the research and I finally began to see the light through his dedication and my reading!
I'm concerned about HAARP as well and this rush to space domination. Did you read about the lights up in British Columbia with beams? It is posted on http://coasttocoastam.com I suspect HAARP experimenting with holographic beams. Of course I don't know, but as you see, my mind has been cracked open to see the larger pictures of everything and at least considers alternative explanations for the usual media slop.
I don't want to be a blind citizen. I feel it my patriotic duty to spend a lot of my time in gleening knowledge that seems to be supressed in our system. Who would have ever thought it so? I love the internet! We must protect it's freedoms as well!
Here's a good site you might have read already on the WTC http://www.wanttoknow.info/
the best one yet is on serendipity and for some stupid reason I didn't save it! Then I changed my e-mail over to another and deleted a bunch of my e-mails so I'll have to message my WTC investigating guy and get it again!
It's not pleasant to realize that our government might have turned the other way or planned for the event or even constucted parts of it. It's not pleasant, but it has to be done if we are to preserve our way of life, our freedoms, and our democratic republic for surely through the WTC fear, this administration has taken off into a wrong track to destroy our nation and all others! Why? I don't know -- the illuminati, the stupidity and fear-based consciousness of misled and cracked minds? But the more the truth comes out the more we all realize we must be part of realizing the truth and doing something about it!
Activism, after knowledge, has to be part of our efforts and I know this board realizes that!
I also have marched for peace and go through political channels through organizations and my own communicating with reps in Congress and the Senate.
I have time and what better way to spend it than to maintain vigilent awareness on aspects of our lives that may threaten the very bedrock of our hard won freedoms and civil rights, our nation's highest ideals, and the realization that our nation's leaders have gone wacko! So glad your mother-in-law has seen the truth about Bush! My mother-in-law has passed over and my own mother, I assume, has not liked him at all. I marched against Viet Nam in college, and I'm "marching" every day. I also marched five times since last September against the war and I will in October to bring the troops home. I don't know if you're my sons' age, in their twenties, but if you're in your twenties or thirties I commend you heartily! Sometimes I feel it will be up to the students, the young, and the boomers to wake up the rest of busy America and get them to the polls and to higher consciousness on all of this! I might also add that I am spiritual and believe in the spiritual aspect of this present battle we find ourselves in. I hope you don't negate the vast and positive affect our spirituality in conjunction with our search for truth and our activism has on the eventual outcome!
Thanks again for the welcome and know that we are on the same page! It took awhile, but I'm following my heart and head in balance as all true patriots should! Heh?
Love and peace,
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Wolf_Larson
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Thu Sep 25, 2003 6:45 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by Boomer Chick:
Thanks, Larson!
I caught that 
So what about it, BC, do you care to discuss the collapse?
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Boomer Chick
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Thu Sep 25, 2003 6:51 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by Wolf_Larson:
First of all, in spite of what Swamp implies, I do not make personal attacks. I do, however, reserve the right to attack positions that are unsupported by hard data or scientific evidence. I am entirely happy to engage you in a reasonable debate regarding the issue.
I have taken several graduate level engineering courses. In my business career, I have managed and overseen construction work in large high rise buildings. I interact with structural engineers and architects from numerous different firms on a daily basis. I have been present for the explosive demolition of 8 high rise buildings. I have discussed the collapse with these engineers and architects. Not once has any of them indicated thatthey though the collapse was due to anything other than what it appeared to be, a failure of the fire weakened structure.
If you have any education, training or experience that is pertinent to the discussion of the building collapse, then please let us know.
If you live in an area with high rise buildings, then I suggest that you talk to the building maintenance engineer. Ask him (or her) if it would have been possible for someone to “prewire” the WTC for demolition without anyone in the building being aware of it. Remember that in order to “prewire” the building, you need to access all of the support columns on a floor.
Remember also that the WTC had a unique structural layout. Find out how often the columns enclosures in the core and along the perimeter wall are opened up. Keep in mind also that some of the fireproofing on the columns contained asbestos. Ask the building manager what they have to do to if they expose this material in the course of a construction project.
Hello Larson!
I do respect your knowledge about buildings, Larson. I also respect those who have the same kind of knowledge and their observations of the WTC collapse. You are not the only engineer who has examined this event in our nation and around the world. I will find you those links, though, OK?
I am not qualified to use my own knowledge base on this as my B.A.'s are not in the science field, let alone the engineering field so my opinions are based on the readings from those who are qualified. Maybe I can present these links and you can comment upon them?
I respect your ability to debate issues with the respect for evidence and proof of opinions through either common sense rhetorical debate or scientific evidence. In the case of demolition, of course it would have to be scientific.
I'll find those links for you, soon, so that you'll have something concrete to deal with!
I am convinced through my reading, though, but you are free to debate the issue with the evidence presented. Is that fair? And I will stay open to your arguments.
Best,
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Boomer Chick
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Thu Sep 25, 2003 7:03 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by Wolf_Larson:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Boomer Chick:
[b] Thanks, Larson!
I caught that
So what about it, BC, do you care to discuss the collapse?
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Sorry! I changed it as soon as I realized! Takes awhile to know who is who!
Yes, I would love to contribute on the collapse as a demolition thread! I have some great links to support the theory of the demolition, as I said. 
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Swamp Gas
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Thu Sep 25, 2003 7:23 pm
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Larsen.....The good cop/bad cop rolled in one.
I don't care what your background is. You are conditioned by the NWO to think a certain way. Protecting the Little Hitlers in power. I am for the little guy, the victims if you will. You are protecting the perps. Plain and simple. Hard scientific facts? Ha! There is no such thing as Pure Science, the Rosetta Stone you so boldly claim you possess. Science is tainted for political and economic ends, and whatever you and the NWO apologists say, there is somebody to contradict it.
Did you forget that in WTC93, the FBI actually helped make the bombs that were detonated. Oh I forgot, good, wholesome, clean, and holy government would never do such a thing. They all are in touch with god. What a freakin' joke!
Don't throw around Orwellian ideas of accusations of Thought Crime. Remember, it is your brethren...Bush, Ashcroft, Nixon, Mc Carthy, and Coulter that want laws to restrict what people say and do. Not me.
As far as the above mentioned victims of White Supremacy, I was parodying you. Don't turn this around. It is you who attacks people ideas. That to me is a reverse thought criminal. A thought perpetrator if you will. Again, I am giving back exactly what you put out.
The 29.97 FPS conditioning is not an insult. Just the truth. If I want to hear the government line, I can turn on any TV media, and it's there in full blip-vert reality. You are not saying anything new that hasn't been spewed forth from the "Tube that gives radiation-The Drug of a Nation".
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Boomer Chick
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Thu Sep 25, 2003 7:23 pm
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OK, here's my contribution to the evidence in support of the WTC towers collapse aided by demolition. Those of you who want to argue with any of the evidence presented, please feel free and please use quotes and refutations to the quotes. This will help everyone hash through it. I find the arguments on this site quite convincing, though I'm sure from more scientifically educated minds, we can get a better sense of it.
http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.html
Game on!
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Boomer Chick
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Thu Sep 25, 2003 7:33 pm
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I now see that Shatoga presented the serendipity link, too! I suggest you who argue the demolition aspect READ IT !
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the professor
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Fri Sep 26, 2003 3:14 am
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So because one person heard something we are all suppose to believe another theory? I will admit my curiousity on bldg 7 but am not sold on the twins.
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You are conditioned by the NWO to think a certain way.
Is that how you label everybody who disagrees with you? oh I see you have all the answers and anything you disagree with must be a NWO stooge, do you not see your own paranoia taking over? step outside your box to closer examine yourself for what you are and then maybe you'll see yourself at how your perceived. |
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Wolf_Larson
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Fri Sep 26, 2003 3:38 am
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Keep in mind that WTC 7 burned for 7 hours before it collapsed.
Further, through one of the stupidest blunders of pre-911, the city had installed an above ground emergency generator fuel tank on the first floor of that building. The fuel form that and other tanks in that building burned for weeks.
The fire department elected to let it burn because
1) The water mains were damaged from the tower collapse
2) They were still in "rescue mode" and were trying to find their lost men, as futile and sad as that turned out to be.
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Swamp Gas
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Fri Sep 26, 2003 3:41 am
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Professor,
Shut up! OK,That direct enough fro you? I just stepped outside myself, and evaluated what I'd say next to you.
Now, what I am saying is that you are a NWO stooge because you believe what comes from corporate media and the government, and place your trust in corrupt ruling elite, and not in the victim or little guy or gal. I'll push you phonies back.
Don't be accusing of serious mental conditions that I assure you I am absent from. I hold a very important postion at a high tech company, plus run my own business, and I doubt paranoia would be able to be hidden. Yes, I am a socialist that likes money. Got a problem with that?
Don't pull your phonie quasi-religious evaluations of stepping outside and looking at oneself. I have been the same person since I was born, altering the course when the need arises, but as my friends of 50 years say, "you're still the same", and that means a lot more than your shallow interpretations of one's psyche. Better look in the mirror pal.
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JerseyBluEyz
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Fri Sep 26, 2003 4:21 am
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I know I previously posted some of this information but I’m reposting because it’s such an important piece to this issue. Poor old WTC 6 is always overlooked! WTC 6 exploded right after the second plane crashed into the Towers. http://www.intellex.com/~rigs/page1/wtc/wtc6.htm
Quote from the above article: “Corley said he had not seen the photos of the extremely high-speed missile-like object seen streaking toward WTC 6 from behind the North Tower as the second plane hit the South Tower”.
Its funny, over a year ago there were quite a few links with different images of this explosion and the missile-like object. Seems they’ve all disappeared. I’m surprised this one is still around (at least it was a couple weeks back). This has an animated paste up of the streaking missile. http://www.geocities.com/streakingobject/index.html
Toward the bottom here, you can see the crated where WTC 6 once stood. Doesn’t look like it collapsed due to debris to me. http://serendipity.fakelabs.org/wot/wtc_other.htm
The Professor: It was not just one person that heard the explosions.
Here’s a quote from Firefighter Louie Cacchioli, “We think there were bombs set in the building”.
Here are a few quotes (regarding explosion and demolition) from former Auxiliary Police Officer Paul Isaac Jr., “many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but they’re afraid for their jobs to admit it because the ‘higher-ups’ forbid discussion of this fact.” AND “There were definitely bombs in those buildings.” AND “You could never build a truss building that high. A slight wind would knock it over! Those buildings were supported by reinforced steel. Buildings don’t just implode like that; this was a demolition.”
And here is an interesting account of Stationary Engineer Mike Pecoraro: http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/underground/underground_explosions.htm
And let’s not forget that seismic evidence also shows there were 2.1 and 2.3 magnitude earthquakes BEFORE any debris hit the ground.
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the professor
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Fri Sep 26, 2003 4:39 am
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Nice to know I struck a chord with you there swamp. Truth hurts you indeed.
quoting
Now, what I am saying is that you are a NWO stooge because you believe what comes from corporate media and the government, and place your trust in corrupt ruling elite, and not in the victim or little guy or gal. I'll push you phonies back.
ok show me where I said what corporate media I believed.
NWO stooge? me? I'm laughing at you now!
I'm not impressed at all with your resume of what you've done and to what extent, really it doesn't mean nothing in the long run if your trying to stick it in ones face as if your more qualified than the next for a differing in shall we say lifestyles. Yes I do have a problem with socialists and socialism in general but I do admire your honesty. Your happy to be a socialist provided your at the top. Don't blame me when your empire comes rightfully crushing down, socialism has failed whenever it has been replaced as an alternative, it's a destructive system of idiotic political and artistical elites who cannot tolerate common sense but all you have to do is look at it's history. So swamp take a hold of some of your own advice, don't discriminate, tolerate. |
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shatoga
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Fri Sep 26, 2003 5:06 am
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I propose that we are really all on the same side.
we all respect the truth.
Our government has played the divide and rule game,
for so long that some of us fail to realize we are in agreement on principle,
yet biased as to whom to blame.
that is exactly the goal of th eNWO.
Keep us at each others' throats while they rule us all.
their greatest fear?
that we may realixe there are more of us than there are of them.
I personally think the French got it right.
Nobody inheriting wealth to use to rule over all others= an end to rule of the many by the few.
Progressive income tax was designed to eliminate the aristocracy of inherited wealth.
born rich like W?
does that make you able to get an unearned degree from princeton?
Yes!
does that make you able to desert from th emilitary with impugnity?
Yes!
does that make you able to flaunt the law and treat commoners like dirt?
Yes!
America has become amerika.
a third world nation without the right to have our votes actually counted.
without freedom of speech.
Masses subservient to an elite minority.
Cannot continue, must go vomit while contemplating the Bush dictatorship.
sorry
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Swamp Gas
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Fri Sep 26, 2003 3:24 pm
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Professor,
I am honest.....you are a spokesperson for the ruling elite, be it by proxy or directly.
YOUR neo-fascist empire is crumbling before our eyes. You and your boys in Washington have to obliterate the Constitution to attampt to keep America afloat. Funding Oil companies and defense contractors are a terrible way to stimulate an economy. Oceania vs Eurasia, right? Perpetual War....How Orwellian!
It bothers you that I am a socialist and enjoy money? Tough!! Hybrid thinking always bothers 2 dimensional thinkers. I don't mind giving my money and support to the weak and downtrodden, but I sure don't like giving it to oil companies and defense contractors. Neo-Cons don't seem to mind giving to the rich, but would use the poor as a doormat. Money is a tool....used either to create and enlighten, or destroy and imprison.
The pendulum swings again. It will eventually come to a rest when everybody is content.
So here's a question for you Professor, what would you do to remedy the chasm between the people of the USA, short of creating 2 nations, one conservative and one liberal? It seems this is the only country where the general population is so divided, much more than even the Vietnam War.
Meanwhile us socialists, humanists, liberals, pagans, and peaceniks are here to stay. We pre-date fundamentalists. Better get used to us. Your Inquisitions and Witch Hunts didn't deter us, and your new Tomas de Torquemada, Ashcroft, won't do it either.
Strike a chord with you there, Professor Jimmy Swaggart?
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